Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-23 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Sorry I didn't see this thread until today, and I have some thoughts on it. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: There are now at least 1 to 2 reports every month of folks not giving us proper CC-BY-SA attribution.  These are mostly websites but include

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 21.03.2011 01:12, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Certainly not under CC-BY-SA where OSMF has no legal basis for suing anyone Thats another reason why I prefer a community based approach here. Beside I think our aim shouldn't be to sue anybody but to fix the missing license naming. Matthias

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 March 2011 05:54, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: What were the suggestions at the meeting(s)? The minutes suggest that I reported an issue some time ago and they kept it as an item to be dealt at future meetings for about 6 months and then they sort of let it fall off at some

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/3/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Russ Nelson wrote: Gert, as long as OSM is copyrighted, the OSMF will need to be in the business of suing OSMers. Certainly not under CC-BY-SA where OSMF has no legal basis for suing anyone (because even if OSM is copyrighted, OSMF is not the

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Matthias Meißer
Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: we already have ODbL / CT for everybody who agreed to the license change or signed up newly in the last months. For all this data OSMF already is copyright holder. No. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread John Smith
2011/3/21 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. So this conversation goes quietly into the night like most other threads rather than being dealt

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 21.03.2011 14:53, schrieb John Smith: 2011/3/21 Matthias Meißerdig...@arcor.de: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. So this conversation goes quietly into the night like

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread NopMap
!i! wrote: Was just an idea, cause I noticed that here aren't that much people interested in this topic, so I assumed at legal mailinglist are more people that are familar with the OSMF processes. And I didn't saw a reason to 'annoy' this official list with this very specific topic.

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Gert, as long as OSM is copyrighted, the OSMF will need to be in the business of suing OSMers. If you don't like the idea that the OSMF should come after a fellow mapper, why, then, welcome to the group of us who believe that OSM should be in the public domain. -russ TBH I really don't care

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:01:43 +0100 Matthias Meißer dig...@arcor.de wrote: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. Matthias The LWG minutes indicate that Mike is to ask the

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 14:01 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. This isnt a legalese issue. Well, as much as someone stealing your car is a

[OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Michael Collinson
There are now at least 1 to 2 reports every month of folks not giving us proper CC-BY-SA attribution. These are mostly websites but include poster advertising, a TV advertisement and a TV show. We need a reliable process for dealing with these. Currently, the License Working Group has been

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Ed Avis
Michael Collinson mike at ayeltd.biz writes: There are now at least 1 to 2 reports every month of folks not giving us proper CC-BY-SA attribution. These are mostly websites but include poster advertising, a TV advertisement and a TV show. We need a reliable process for dealing with these.

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 20.03.2011 18:49, schrieb Michael Collinson: there should be a public record of alleged violations There is already http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lacking_proper_attribution IMHO even if a offical License working group making things easier , we have to take care that this process is

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
time! Hall of Shame : Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz] Verzonden: zondag 20 maart 2011 18:49 Aan: OSM talk Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations There are now at least 1 to 2 reports every month

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Matthias Meißer
hi Gert, well I prefer to do practival things like mapping, too. But with growing database OSM comes more attractive to others. I don't see any bad things on monitoring this usage and drop a line, if they miss the license and OSM hint. Even if this might look small-minded, this just makes

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:49:25 +0100 Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: We need a reliable process for dealing with these. Currently, the License Working Group has been doing some work but it feels that it is not dealing with the issues adequately and some issues not at all. What

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Russ Nelson
involved !! Nothing to lose but our time! Hall of Shame : Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Michael Collinson [mailto:m...@ayeltd.biz] Verzonden: zondag 20 maart 2011 18:49 Aan: OSM talk Onderwerp: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Russ, Russ Nelson wrote: Gert, as long as OSM is copyrighted, the OSMF will need to be in the business of suing OSMers. Certainly not under CC-BY-SA where OSMF has no legal basis for suing anyone (because even if OSM is copyrighted, OSMF is not the copyright holder nor has OSMF been