Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-02-01 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/29/2016 8:49 AM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: On 29 January 2016 at 17:37, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: "but that's not much to do with tagging diversity" - I would dispute it, from my personal experience. Tagging diversity IS one of real problems in using OSM data. +1.

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-30 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > I am not claiming that there are quick & easy ways to reduce > complexity - but complexity has some real negative consequences. The cycleway tagging mess has come about because a bunch of wikifiddlers keep inventing ever more spurious and unnecessary tags -

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-30 Thread Roland Olbricht
> "but that's not much to do with tagging diversity" - I would > dispute it, from my personal experience. Tagging diversity IS one > of real problems in using OSM data. Could you please give an example? My first ever attempt to display cycleways [...] Thank you very much. Now I

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-29 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 29 January 2016 at 17:37, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > "but that's not much to do with tagging diversity" - I would dispute > it, from my personal experience. Tagging diversity IS one of real > problems in using OSM data. +1. -- Matthijs

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:50:11 + Andy Townsend wrote: > On 28/01/2016 19:16, David Marchal wrote: > > Hello, there. > > > > On a GitHub issue > > (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2027#issuecomment-174443685), > > > > I've been told that Wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-29 Thread Roland Olbricht
>> This diversity of tagging is often quoted as a problem for data >> consumers. Oddly, this is often by people who don't actually use the >> data but feel it must be awkward. Actually it's not. All OSM data has >> to processed before use. This processing can be fairly >> straightforward or

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:38:46 +0100 Roland Olbricht wrote: > >> This diversity of tagging is often quoted as a problem for data > >> consumers. Oddly, this is often by people who don't actually use > >> the data but feel it must be awkward. Actually it's not. All OSM >

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-29 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:31:04 +0100 Matthijs Melissen wrote: > On 28 January 2016 at 20:16, David Marchal wrote: > > On a GitHub issue > > (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2027#issuecomment-174443685), > > I've been told that

[OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-28 Thread David Marchal
Hello, there.On a GitHub issue (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2027#issuecomment-174443685), I've been told that Wiki tagging votes are only advisory and that the community is only invited, neither required nor recommended, to follow them. As I understand this

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-28 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 28 January 2016 at 20:16, David Marchal wrote: > On a GitHub issue > (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2027#issuecomment-174443685), > I've been told that Wiki tagging votes are only advisory and that the > community is only invited, neither required

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-28 Thread Chris Hill
On 28/01/16 19:16, David Marchal wrote: Hello, there. On a GitHub issue (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2027#issuecomment-174443685), I've been told that Wiki tagging votes are only advisory and that the community is only invited, neither required nor recommended,

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-28 Thread Andy Townsend
On 28/01/2016 19:16, David Marchal wrote: Hello, there. On a GitHub issue (https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/2027#issuecomment-174443685), I've been told that Wiki tagging votes are only advisory and that the community is only invited, neither required nor

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
David Marchal wrote: > What is the applicability of the Wiki content? Three long-standing principles of OSM: 1. consensus is important 2. precedent is important 3. patches beat "should" The first means that you can't order the community to do things based on ten people voting on the

Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must

2016-01-28 Thread David Marchal
To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: ajt1...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 19:50:11 + Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Applicability of wiki tagging and votes: may, should or must More seriously, any dataset that has no rules enforced at the API level must be assumed to have data in it that doesn't