Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: NASA/METI have updated their distribution terms with a FAQ in response to my questions:    https://lpdaac.usgs.gov/lpdaac/about/news_archive/friday_july_24_2009 Unfortunately the new terms aren't new at all,

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-27 Thread Paul Houle
Jeffrey Ollie wrote: Ævar, thanks for taking point on this... These sort of licensing issues are an annoying, but necessary part of our work and not everyone has the stomach for it. I myself have run into the issue locally... There's nearby county that has very high resolution aerial images

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Arlindo Pereira
In such cases, wouldn't be enough to add a source=NASA or source=ASTER tag? [] 2009/7/2 Tyler tyler.ritc...@gmail.com Ævar, Thanks for trying to get clarification. Despite my disagreeing that there is any real restriction on the data that affects its use in OSM, clarification and explicit

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
(This thread was accidentally off-list) On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 9:30 PM, MPsingular...@gmail.com wrote: As it turns out the first clause is (apparently) to facilitate tracking of how the data is used and so that they can announce updates, and the second is to ensure proper attribution. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.comwrote: For satellite imagery it would be a huge win even if we were allowed to just use them for tracing on a closed WMS server (as we're doing in Gaza), even if we ideally would like to be allowed to do more. NASA = a

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com wrote: NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is in the public domain. I would imagine that the licensing terms they give are

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-06 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Jeffrey Olliej...@ocjtech.us wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com wrote: NASA = a US federal government organization. All data originated by US federal organizations (and especially when funded by tax payer dollars) is in the public

[OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
I contacted people at NASA asking whether they were planning on releasing their ASTER data under a license that would be suitable for projects like OSM. I quoted them the terms they present upon download which would be problematic: # I agree to redistribute the ASTER GDEM only to individuals

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread MP
As it turns out the first clause is (apparently) to facilitate tracking of how the data is used and so that they can announce updates, and the second is to ensure proper attribution. I've asked them permission to quote their complete reply but that's basically it. What about derived data?

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: # When presenting or publishing ASTER GDEM data, I agree to include ASTER GDEM is a product of METI and NASA. That clause seems very similar to the BSD advertising clause (and is problematic for the same reasons):

Re: [OSM-talk] Explaining to NASA why the ASTER data should be freely licensed

2009-07-02 Thread Tyler
Ævar, Thanks for trying to get clarification. Despite my disagreeing that there is any real restriction on the data that affects its use in OSM, clarification and explicit permission is always a good thing. This should have been cross-posted to legal, probably. And let me preface it all with