Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-19 Thread Dave F
On 19/12/2016 20:50, Andy Mabbett wrote: The phrase, which is also used as the title of the corresponding page on the wiki, is "Tagging for the renderer": http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer How is 'Destination' "/deliberately entering data incorrectly for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Edwin Smith wrote: > Hi all, > There is a disagreement that could use a few more eyes. Destination has > the explicit purpose of telling a > navigation program the wording of a sign. It is typically used as a tag > of a Motorway Link. It

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 December 2016 at 23:48, Colin Smale wrote: > I believe the phrase is "tagging wrongly for the renderer" The phrase, which is also used as the title of the corresponding page on the wiki, is "Tagging for the renderer":

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-19 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 19 December 2016 at 14:31, Edwin Smith wrote: > Hi all, > Thanks for the responses. > The point I think you miss is that it is impossible for the navigation > program to have the policy "show the driver exactly what his sign will say" > if it has been altered in any way.

[OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-19 Thread Edwin Smith
Hi all,Thanks for the responses.The point I think you miss is that it is impossible for the navigation program to have the policy "show the driver exactly what his sign will say" if it has been altered in any way.  If the program is supplied an accurate copy, it can still abbreviate or

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-19 Thread Aun Johnsen
> On Dec 19, 2016, at 10:00, talk-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote: > > Well, it still can, the software just needs to know > how to abbreviate words, which is easy to do. The other way round, > automatically expanding an abbreviation (i.e. reading aloud) may be > ambiguous. Let me expand a

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Dave F
On 18/12/2016 23:12, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 18 December 2016 at 21:40, Edwin Smith wrote: 1) Destination is for the use of the navigation program. That's a form of "tagging for the renderer". Besides, if you wan to record, literally, what's on a sign, use something

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Colin Smale
I believe the phrase is "tagging wrongly for the renderer" - we constantly consider the users/consumers of the data when tagging, but it is clearly frowned upon to "lie" in the tagging to get something to show up in a particular way or otherwise to achieve a particular effect. Whether tagging is

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 18 December 2016 at 21:40, Edwin Smith wrote: > 1) Destination is for the use of the navigation program. That's a form of "tagging for the renderer". Besides, if you wan to record, literally, what's on a sign, use something like 'transcription=' -- Andy Mabbett

Re: [OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Tobias Zwick
Hey Edwin I read through the discussion on that page. I think you focus too much on this 20:1 statistic. I too think this does not really belong on the main page, but this is not really the issue. I do not have the impression that anyone is using the 20:1 statistic as an argument whether the

[OSM-talk] Key:Destination Abbreviations

2016-12-18 Thread Edwin Smith
Hi all,There is a disagreement that could use a few more eyes.  Destination has the explicit purpose of telling anavigation program the wording of a sign.  It is typically used as a tag of a Motorway Link.  It is not visiblein the Mapnik in any way. One side of the disagreement argues that if