Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread sabas88
2014-03-27 2:41 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: Open data initiatives will help in acquiring address data: for example by July 2015 close to 200 million addresses in the EU will be available for OSM because of a change

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread Christian Quest
Addresses will be a OSM major topic in France in the coming months. It is one of the main topic we will discuss next week during SOTM-FR in Paris. We'e managed to build scripts to extract address data from the cadastre, and conflates as far as possible with existing OSM data. For example, the

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread Johan C
2014-03-27 2:41 GMT+01:00 Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: Open data initiatives will help in acquiring address data: for example by July 2015 close to 200 million addresses in the EU will be available for OSM because of a change

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread Christian Quest
200 millions addresses only in the EU ? France has around 26 millions in the IGN database which would mean 1/8 of all EU ? After reading part 22 of the 2013/37/EU directive... it looks like there is not reason to have some change for example in France on the IGN side. Given the quality of this

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread Johan C
2014-03-27 23:06 GMT+01:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: 200 millions addresses only in the EU ? France has around 26 millions in the IGN database which would mean 1/8 of all EU ? Yep. Germany is the largest: 40M. UK a little bit more than France, Italy a bit lower. (25M)

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 27.03.2014 um 21:34 schrieb Johan C osm...@gmail.com: 2. Number of households in the EU: http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/statistics_explained/index.php/Household_composition_statistics You'll have to add businesses and public administration and services etc. to get the number of

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-27 Thread Rob Nickerson
I wouldn't get too excited about that EU directive. I've read it twice now and both times I came to the conclusion that (at least for the UK) address data will NOT suddenly become available to OSM. For example the directive still allows for Charging and the use of Licences. The directive [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Tom Morris
://tommorris.org/ - Original message - From: Ian Dees [1]ian.d...@gmail.com To: Paul Johnson [2]ba...@ursamundi.org Cc: OSM Talk [3]talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 17:22:20 -0500 On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Paul Johnson [4]ba

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Paul Norman
conventional ETL (extract, transform, load) problem, it just needs to be repeated for each data set. From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 5:25 PM To: Richard Weait Cc: OSM Talk; Ian Dees Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses OK, that's

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Ian Dees
Paul Norman wrote Keep in mind since OpenAddresses is a database of databases, there's a license on the OpenAddress database (CC0) and then the licenses on its contents (the address databases). Unfortunately, using the data requires converting each different schema to whatever schema you

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Johan C
2014-03-26 8:00 GMT+01:00 Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org: The fact that the import process (and indeed the tag approval process) has become heavyweight enough that people aren't bothering anymore should perhaps be a reason to drastically reform those processes. I know I've participated in

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: Open data initiatives will help in acquiring address data: for example by July 2015 close to 200 million addresses in the EU will be available for OSM because of a change in the national laws. For me having addresses and

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-26 Thread Alex Barth
On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: Open data initiatives will help in acquiring address data: for example by July 2015 close to 200 million addresses in the EU will be available for OSM because of a change in the national laws. What do you base those numbers

[OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created a spreadsheet to track progress for myself and others had contributed their own entries. That spreadsheet hit more than 300 entries tracking millions of address

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Forgive the stupid question, but shouldn't this be in the OSM data? On Mar 25, 2014 4:29 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created a spreadsheet to track

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
Not a stupid question at all. I decided to collect this stuff outside of OSM for two reasons: - An address data census is pretty interesting by itself, and learning how to find it is useful. - Having address data outside of OSM means we can make it more liberally licensed for tons of

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Am I wrong to assume that this would be considered a potential data source on a limited scale for folks who wish to do the conflation? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 4:45 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Not a stupid question at all. I decided to collect this stuff outside of OSM for two

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Am I wrong to assume that this would be considered a potential data source on a limited scale for folks who wish to do the conflation? Sure, if someone wanted to go through the OSM import process (including confirming

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Ouch! Dealing with a license snarl already so I think I'm going to pass on that right now; is this mixed data or under one license? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Am I wrong to

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Simon Poole
Am 25.03.2014 23:14, schrieb Paul Johnson: Am I wrong to assume that this would be considered a potential data source on a limited scale for folks who wish to do the conflation? I really think it needs to be stressed that, as Ian writes in his answer, that while the datasets in question could

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Ouch! Dealing with a license snarl already so I think I'm going to pass on that right now; is this mixed data or under one license? See https://github.com/openaddresses/openaddresses#license

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, so I'm confused, is public domain incompatible? On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Ouch! Dealing with a license snarl already so I think I'm going to pass on that right now; is

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 25.03.2014 23:14, Paul Johnson wrote: Am I wrong to assume that this would be considered a potential data source on a limited scale for folks who wish to do the conflation? I think it would be great if someone were put a little work into importing this data directly into a locally held

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: OK, so I'm confused, is public domain incompatible? Guessing from the link text, each data set may have license stipulations attached to it. Looking at the information in the sources directory, a quick scan suggests that

Re: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, that's not exactly obvious from that project's page, then. On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: OK, so I'm confused, is public domain incompatible? Guessing from the link text,

[OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Daniel Kastl
In my opinion this is a nice idea to use Github issues to manage (address) data processing. Might be interesting for Japanese imports as well. Daniel -- Forwarded message -- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Satoshi IIDA
-- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Takeshi FURUTA MQSOL LLC
, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created a spreadsheet to track progress for myself and others had

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread ikiya
...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created a spreadsheet to track progress

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Satoshi IIDA
be interesting for Japanese imports as well. Daniel -- Forwarded message -- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Takeshi FURUTA MQSOL LLC
, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created a spreadsheet to track progress for myself

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread Satoshi IIDA
...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last couple years. I had created

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread ikiya
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address

Re: [OSM-ja] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses

2014-03-25 Thread ikiya
message -- From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:27 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Launching OpenAddresses To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hi all, As some of you know, I've been working on collecting as much address data as possible for the last