On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:26:49PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote:
I propose that it be possible for features to be tagged using a generic
left/right scheme, with left and right being relative to the direction
of the way.
So you might have a road way with a node somewhere in the middle with
Stephen Gower wrote:
I see from later posts that you also suggest using this scheme for cycle/bus
lanes to indicate which side of the road they should be rendered.
Did I?
This
highlighted to me a general problem with the scheme. For rendering the
scheme is perfect - drawing a bus stop or
Gervase Markham wrote:
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is part of
the canal rather than next to it, with left/right indicated as part of
the tag key name.
Andy Allan wrote:
That's the main problem. You are now making a proposal that
distinguishes nodes at the end of a way from non-terminating nodes -
since only those in the middle can inherit a sense of direction from
the way.
True, but not a problem. There's no rule about how many nodes in a
Gervase Markham schrieb:
Robin Rattay wrote:
JOSM already does this.
For oneway only? Or for the words left and right?
Both. And also forward/backward. This works for both key and value
and no matter if as prefix (left:*) or suffix (*:left). It's not
very flexible, so any changes/extensions
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:41 PM, spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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I do like the north, south, west, east of a way. even if ways are moved
somewhat they will still remain valid.
You would have to move the ways a lot (turn it to be more precise) to make it
point into the wrong direction.
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 12:39 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sunday 31 August 2008, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Ben Laenen wrote:
This could be very annoying if you're making a way for an area and
at the end suddenly remembers that you should have done it
clockwise and not
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
The same way we shouldn't map for renderers, we also shouldn't
map for editors !
If editors are somewhat complicated at setting relations,
the should be improved...
Great - looking forward to your patch! Please use KR brace style but
Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
One other problem with this is that it defines a set distance from the
feature to the way.
I don't see this as a problem. It's in fact an additional useful
information that your left/right scheme just loose.
Except that there's no meaningful distance that moorings
On Saturday 30 August 2008 22:03:33 Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
I think this idea might evolve into something worth championing.
Aurelian has covered a few points I was just composing :~)
Gervase Markham wrote:
It seems to me that there are three ways we can deal with this:
0) Just place
robin paulson wrote:
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
A bus stop where you have to stand in the middle of a junction to
catch the bus? This I have to see...
sticks hand out, gets flattened by car approaching from other
direction
i think he means where there is a t-junction (say, a
Hugh Barnes wrote:
On Saturday 30 August 2008 22:03:33 Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
I think this idea might evolve into something worth championing.
Aurelian has covered a few points I was just composing :~)
Gervase Markham wrote:
1) Create relations to associate the point with the way -
On Saturday 30 August 2008, Hugh Barnes wrote:
So, just to clarify, if I want apply more properties to the bus stop,
is it like this:
left:highway=bus_stop
left:name=Park Road
… etc?
Have I missed something?
Since this shows that we need an entity to put all data on which
wouldn't
Hi,
Left/Right Scheme
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I propose that it be possible for features to be tagged using a generic
left/right scheme, with left and right being relative to the direction
of the way.
I find that this only makes sense when what is left and what is right is
discernible
Gervase Markham schrieb:
Editors:
Editors would need to switch right for left and vice versa in all
tags when reversing a way. Note that this requires no special knowledge
of what the prefixed tag means - that's why we have a generic mechanism.
They might also apply this switching to some
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 07:37:09PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
On the other hand, when tagging stuff that is to the left and right of a
road or footpath, there is no way to know which direction it will have
in the database. There is no widely agreed general rule on what
constitutes the left
Hugh Barnes wrote:
So, just to clarify, if I want apply more properties to the bus stop, is it
like this:
left:highway=bus_stop
left:name=Park Road
… etc?
Have I missed something?
I hadn't thought of that; I was focussing on simple features in the
common case. Does the above seem
Robin Rattay wrote:
JOSM already does this.
For oneway only? Or for the words left and right?
Gerv
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Frederik Ramm wrote:
I find that this only makes sense when what is left and what is right is
discernible *without* reference to the actual direction of the way.
Why so? The direction of ways is (or can be) indicated with arrows in
editors. Why is it a problem to have tagging which is
Aurelien Jacobs wrote:
This makes me think to something else. What about the route relation.
A way with a bus stop on each side and a bus route which would include
only one of the stop (or the two stops but with different stop_number).
Having separate nodes for each bus stop makes this much
Hi,
Why so? The direction of ways is (or can be) indicated with arrows in
editors.
Yes but talking of a left and right side of a road, in everyday
speech, alway means in the direction of travel. We're used to saying
the Britons drive on the left, which is a different use of the terms
than
Frederik Ramm wrote:
My major problem with attaching significance to the direction of ways is
the ease with which that direction can and will be changed. We will
never have API support for juggling around all sorts of left/right tags
(plus oneway, incline and what-have-you), so this is the
Hi,
someone suggested a while back on talk, that once a way is drawn, we
don't allow it's direction to be changed and for one way streets, we use
oneway=-1 if it is pointing in the wrong direction. this could be
enforced for any tags (including incline) that rely on the direction of
the
(It's getting a tad difficult to keep the thread integrity. Other relevant
replies from me may follow soon)
On Sunday 31 August 2008 08:08:23 Gervase Markham wrote:
Hugh Barnes wrote:
So, just to clarify, if I want apply more properties to the bus stop, is
it like this:
On Sunday 31 August 2008 09:15:37 Frederik Ramm wrote:
We will then still need a relation that combines the road
area and the bus stop area, saying: These are not independent of each
other; they are meant to be adjacent, and dear editor, if you move one,
please move the other as well.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Robin Paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2008/8/26 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Is 'mapping for renderers' any worse than 'mapping for routers'?
both are bad i think
Step back from the we're going to use it for routing busses approach a
moment; a fair
David Ebling wrote:
Discussions about whether the node can easily be understood by routers
to be connected to the way seem spurious to me - surely you should just
connect them into a route relation?
Agreed. Relations should be used more for bus routes. There are lots of
busses that drive
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What's current tagging best practice with
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Rory McCann wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice
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2008/8/26 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I disagree with this view.
Do you tag post boxes as way nodes? Shops? Telephones?
No...
So why bus stops? They aren't in the road. They are sites on the side,
like all of the above. It makes no sense to tag them as way objects.
a good point, and as
2008/8/26 Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Is 'mapping for renderers' any worse than 'mapping for routers'?
both are bad i think
Step back from the we're going to use it for routing busses approach a
moment; a fair few users may wish to print a map, so the renderers need
to do this right. I
2008/8/27 Karl Newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
What? Of course it has relevance. The number means nothing without the
street. Houses don't have GUIDs. It has to be associated with it's street if
you ever want to look it up by address.
i'm not sure what a guid is, i assume it's 'globally unique
2008/8/27 David Ebling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I disagree. I might drive up to a post box to post a letter, if I was really
lazy. However, unless I'm a bus driver (and let's face it, they're not going
to be the main map users) you are unlikely to drive up to a bus stop to get
on a bus (unless
in different
countries.
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Rory McCann wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging
robin paulson wrote:
the problem with this is that 'bus stop' (and canal mooring, etc,)
implies a place where the bus stops, which is on the road.
the fact the bus shelter, or sign, or bench, is some distance off to the
side of the road shouldn't matter - the bus itself stops on the road,
2008/8/25 Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
as for placing the node to one side of the way in order to get the icon to
be placed correctly, this sounds a lot like 'tagging for the renderer'
Part of it depends. In Ireland, bus stops are frequently marked with a sign
on the path. This post is not
2008/8/25 Kevin Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
or, consider from the pedestrian's point-of-view:
it is assumed for all roads except motorways and where explicitly
stated, that there is foot=yes access. in which case, the
footpath/sidewalk/pavement is therefore part of the way which represents
the
2008/8/25 Kevin Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I would assume that 'foot=yes' on all roads implies that you are allowed to
walk on the road - not that there is a footpath in parallel with it.
yes, that's probably what it means (is that in the wiki?), but until
there's an explicit difference made in
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Rory McCann wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
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robin paulson wrote:
Rory McCann wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is part of
the canal rather than next to it, with
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is part of
the canal
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone
See
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Bus_stop#Usage_.28node_positioning.29
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Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is part of
the canal
Karl Newman wrote:
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Rory McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the
left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a
On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Gervase Markham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
Do we do that for any other tags? Do we have highway:left=bus_stop?
I made a feable atempt at finding all
Rory McCann wrote:
Gervase Markham wrote:
What's current tagging best practice with things which are to the left
or the right of a way (e.g. bus stops)?
A nearly-approved proposal for a canal-side object has been objected to
by someone who thinks that the tag should be on a node which is
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