[OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Tim Berners-Lee
(Changing the subject line) The map really needs a SPARQL server (easy), and cross-linking to URIs in dbpedia or geonames (which are themselves alreday cross-linked) would be a good idea (but more work). From outside it looks as though the OSM XML format and API are developing in the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Grant Slater
Tim Berners-Lee wrote: What sort of help do you think OSM will need? Money to run servers if the load increases? An existing standards org with facilities and process for the API and the XML format? What was it you had in mind? Yes, the OSM Foundation is badly in need of extra money (or

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.comwrote: Tim Berners-Lee wrote: What sort of help do you think OSM will need? Money to run servers if the load increases? An existing standards org with facilities and process for the API and the XML format? What was

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Tom Hughes
Ian Dees wrote: I think it would be very handy to have a couple database experts that are not attached to OSM and its current setup look at the plans for API 0.6 as a code and design review. I haven't seen much about 0.6 (and I'm not trying to bash the progress that has been made), but I

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Ian Dees wrote: I think it would be very handy to have a couple database experts that are not attached to OSM and its current setup look at the plans for API 0.6 as a code and design review. I haven't seen much about 0.6

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Chris Hill
Ian Dees wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu mailto:t...@compton.nu wrote: Ian Dees wrote: I think it would be very handy to have a couple database experts that are not attached to OSM and its current setup look at the plans

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Gervase Markham
Tim Berners-Lee wrote: From outside it looks as though the OSM XML format and API are developing in the OSM community in a reasonable way. What sort of help do you think OSM will need? Money to run servers if the load increases? I think that's a current, rather than a future need :-) An

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread brendan barrett
Yeah, because none of us have any idea what we're doing, we're just a bunch of clueless fuckwits that are intent on buggering up everything. I think this was a little harsh. When i'm working on a project, I welcome any input I can get. It doesn't mean I stop doing what i'm doing. It never hurts

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Tim Berners-Lee wrote: What sort of help do you think OSM will need? Money to run servers if the load increases? An existing standards org with facilities and process for the API and the XML format? What was it

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Tom Hughes
brendan barrett wrote: Yeah, because none of us have any idea what we're doing, we're just a bunch of clueless fuckwits that are intent on buggering up everything. I think this was a little harsh. When i'm working on a project, I welcome any input I can get. It doesn't mean I stop doing

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Tom Hughes
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Grant Slater Yes, the OSM Foundation is badly in need of extra money (or highend hardware) to fund the next round of server hardware upgrades. In most cases we are already close to server capacity. We've also started looking

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Richard Fairhurst
brendan barrett wrote: It never hurts getting others to review things. You don't need to stop development on API 0.6 to do a review. We are IMO too far down the road with API 0.6 to review the _design_. It is, after all, mostly coded: you can check out the API 0.6 branch and use it with JOSM,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Dees
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 3:19 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: brendan barrett wrote: Yeah, because none of us have any idea what we're doing, we're just a bunch of clueless fuckwits that are intent on buggering up everything. I think this was a little harsh. When i'm working on a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread brendan barrett
I'm not going to speculate on the fruits of such an exercise. My point is simply that if someone is willing to do so, then why stop them or belittle their effort. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: brendan barrett wrote: Yeah, because none of us have any idea

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, brendan barrett wrote: I'm not going to speculate on the fruits of such an exercise. My point is simply that if someone is willing to do so, then why stop them or belittle their effort. True, and API 0.6 has been available for testing and reviewing for a while now. If there is somebody

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Ian Dees
Ok, I give up. Sorry for damaging your egos. I was only trying to answer Tim's question by pointing out a spot where OSM as a whole could be better off in the long run. On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Finally, I think that Tim has a right to be a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread brendan barrett
Perhaps my point hasn't gotten through properly. My intention is merely to convey that this kind of language we're just a bunch of clueless fuckwits that are intent on buggering up everything, does not help someone understand this API 0.6 has been available for testing and reviewing for a while

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Mikel Maron
that the rest of this thread should be poems, but I think it would help) From: brendan barrett shogun...@gmail.com To: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread Nick Black
frede...@remote.org Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:37:35 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ... Perhaps my point hasn't gotten through properly. My intention is merely to convey that this kind of language we're just a bunch of clueless

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM and Linked Data, and W3C, etc ...

2009-01-13 Thread LeedsTracker
2009/1/14 Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com: (I'm not saying that the rest of this thread should be poems, but I think it would help) Sir Tim came along to say hi Some people were not clear on why His aim: conservation But vituperation Makes some folks just want to say bye