Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-16 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
disagree? Andre On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinsonm...@ayeltd.biz Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:39 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday To: OSM talkt...@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Andre Marcelo-Tanner
Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday To: OSM talkt...@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins this Sunday. A full announcement has gone to the Announce list and there is full information at the Find out more about OpenStreetMap's upcoming

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, (Thread moved over from talk) On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: In addition, it is imho not clear that not some of the many imports listed as Attribution licensed wouldn't fall into this category, too (rather than in category 3 as CC-BY). To be clear, my category 3 was meant for

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Francis Davey
On 15 April 2011 19:35, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: In addition, it is imho not clear that not some of the many imports listed as Attribution licensed wouldn't fall into this category, too (rather than in category 3 as CC-BY). I haven't seen this list so cannot comment. [snip]

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/15/2011 09:16 PM, Francis Davey wrote: In addition, it is imho not clear that not some of the many imports listed as Attribution licensed wouldn't fall into this category, too (rather than in category 3 as CC-BY). I haven't seen this list so cannot comment. Sorry for that. I had

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread 80n
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 6:08 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: So my understanding now, from Francis' comment, is that CC-By-SA and CC-By are not compatible (you can't accept the CTs if you've contributed data obtained under those licenses, without infringing those licenses?),

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 April 2011 00:38, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the currently used license then it will have to be removed in order not to put the project at risk (e.g. data copied from proprietary sources). This is independent of the

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:08 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday Hi, David Murn wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 16:49:20 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/15/2011 10:13 AM, David Groom wrote: There's also a third kind of tainted that sits in the middle of these two, namely data that has e.g. been released CC-BY. Such data looks compatible at first, but closer inspection (see current discussion on legal-talk) reveals that CC-BY

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday Hi, On 04/15/2011 10:13 AM, David Groom wrote: There's also a third kind

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread john whelan
Johnwhelan is the account name. Unfortunately I have made a fair number of edits. The concern is I'm not comfortable that all of these meet the new standard but I'm unsure which ones do and which don't. I'm happy to reenter data following the new guidelines. I'm not happy to have some one

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Grant Slater
On 15 April 2011 13:28, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Johnwhelan is the account name.  Unfortunately I have made a fair number of edits.  The concern is I'm not comfortable that all of these meet the new standard but I'm unsure which ones do and which don't.  I'm happy to reenter

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Kai Krueger
Frederik Ramm wrote: It would be very hard to construct something of that kind. The most common thing is certainly going to be the above third case, where you have the right to distribute data under CC-BY-SA or maybe even ODbL or maybe you even have the right to distribute it under any

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: I thought that the new CTs were supposed to fix this issue [...] I have answered on legal-talk. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 15 Apr 2011 20:36:34 +0200 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: I thought that the new CTs were supposed to fix this issue [...] I have answered on legal-talk. Bye Frederik Frederick, it has occurred to me that if you

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread Mike Dupont
What worries me here is that there are all these versions of the document, the licenses etc. How are you going to deal with different people agreeing to different contracts at different times? mike On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 7:08 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: On 14 April 2011

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 20:36 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 04/15/2011 05:55 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: I thought that the new CTs were supposed to fix this issue [...] I have answered on legal-talk. We dont care if you answered on a podcast sent to the moon. The question was asked

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-15 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/16 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 20:36 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: I have answered on legal-talk. that disagree and believe the issue is of great enough importance to not be hidden away. it is not hidden away, and you don't even have to be subscribed to

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread maning sambale
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 5:39 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday To: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins this Sunday. A full

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Michael Collinson
OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins this Sunday. A full announcement has gone to the Announce list and there is full information at the Find out more about OpenStreetMap's upcoming license change http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License link on

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Eric Marsden
mc == Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz writes: mc In summary: This only affects you if you are an OpenStreetMap mc contributor who registered before 12th May 2010 and have not taken mc part in our voluntary re-licensing program. Before being able to mc edit, you will have accept or

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence + CT. Decline is reversible. Accept isn't. Once we've got you, we'll

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread john whelan
Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at all comfortable that the work would stand up legally for CC-by-ODBL

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Grant Slater
On 14 April 2011 17:26, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 April 2011 18:26, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I some of my edits used some sources that looked fine under the for CC-by-SA terms but on closer inspection of the ODBL terms, which was done after I blindly followed the advice of another contributor, I am not at

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com To: john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com Cc: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday On 14

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 16:49 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence + CT.

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, David Murn wrote: What about if you become aware that once youve got someone, who has agreed and who has contributed tainted data? Will you (or someone else wielding the magical OSMF+3 wand) reverse it? If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the currently used

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread john whelan
If data is tainted in a way that makes in incompatible with the currently used license then it will have to be removed in order not to put the project at risk (e.g. data copied from proprietary sources). This is independent of the license change. I assume that the currently used license means to

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 00:49, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Eric Marsden wrote: It is not clear to me, from your message or from what I have read on the wiki, whether choosing Decline is a irreversible decision, or whether one would still be able later to accept the licence +

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-04-15 at 01:08 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, David Murn wrote: What about if you become aware that once youve got someone, who has agreed and who has contributed tainted data? Will you (or someone else wielding the magical OSMF+3 wand) reverse it? If data is tainted in

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 April 2011 12:51, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: This was a question in regards to whether you will reverse the selection of someone accepting the new licence/terms, if you (or they) become aware the data is tainted. Wouldn't breach of clause 1 break the entire contract ?

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday

2011-04-14 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 14 April 2011 21:06, David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net wrote: - Original Message - From: andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com Under the Contributor Terms 1.2.4 I believe it will be the OpenStreetMap Foundation's responsibility to remove such data before switching the license, you

[OSM-ja] フェーズ3開始は4/17(日)(Was: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday)

2011-04-14 Thread S.Higashi
東です。 フェーズ3への移行は4/17(日)だそうです。 (日付はおそらくUSTベース) -- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:39:16 +0200 Subject: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 begins Sunday To: OSM talk t...@openstreetmap.org OpenStreetMap License