On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Anthony wrote:
I also haven't been kicked out of Wikipedia, though you have claimed
it multiple times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Anthony_evidence#Anthony_DiPierro
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote:
Am 15.10.2010 12:11, schrieb Valent Turkovic:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their
tiles under a free license.
They distribute
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de wrote:
Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM.
But in my opinion, the one we currently have already
On 16 Oct 2010, at 11:31, Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote:
Am 15.10.2010 12:11, schrieb Valent Turkovic:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 2:29 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
http://miamichaela.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/moron.jpg
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=User:Anthonydiff=391046808oldid=391046671
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Great and constructive suggestions Jonas!
On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Jonas Krückel o...@jonas-krueckel.de wrote:
Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM.
But in my opinion,
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
FYI
Justin posted a note to clarify his intention behind the article and a few
other points: http://www.41latitude.com/post/1313261274/osm-response
-Jonas
Am 14.10.2010 um 14:07 schrieb Milo van der Linden:
Dear
Hi,
ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote:
The OSM community lacks an inspiring vision towards the future
of OSM. Instead of focusing on GEO-data and MAP usability,
the last 2 years to many of the key players of OSM have been focusing on
only one topic : the license change.
The
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:52:47 +0200
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I mean, there's nothing wrong with having nice map but this is
certainly not at the core of the project, and certainly nothing we
should aim to have an inspiring vision for. We're providing the
underlying data for
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:07:56 +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote:
Making the perfectly rendered map available to the world is *not* a
mission goal for the OSMF. The OSMF is primarily responsible for
maintaining the database and the services related to it.
Well then OSMF should change their
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:58:20 -0400, Paul Houle wrote:
It's better to say we know we could do it better and we'll do
better in the future.
+1 always for constructive criticism, and should be accepted by any
project that wants to go forward.
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On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 18:36:48 +, Ed Avis wrote:
That's surely a lot of the reason why OSM looks strange from an American
point of view, but he does have a couple of valid points - the map does
look a bit 'washed out' at low zoom levels, with many similar shades of
almost-grey (which may be
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:27:06 +0200
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
The cool thing about OSM is: They can go ahead and create the nice
map!
sometimes, you have no insight whatsoever.
No, I cannot create the nice map.
It doesn't belong in MY skill set.
I may have a long string of
On 15/10/2010 11:49, Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:07:56 +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote:
Making the perfectly rendered map available to the world is *not* a
mission goal for the OSMF. The OSMF is primarily responsible for
maintaining the database and the services related to
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:39:07 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
But I have no problem with openstreetmap.org being British rather than
some bland kind of international - we can do tiles on openstreetmap.de
in a more German style, and tiles on openstreetmap.us in a more US
style, and so on.
Is there
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:11:34 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
That is your opinion
For others, the nice map is important.
Agreed, and I hope we can vote so that people who are willing to make
usable maps be in OSMF board not ones that dont.
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 14:07:56 +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote:
Making the perfectly rendered map available to the world is *not* a
mission goal for the OSMF. The OSMF is primarily responsible for
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their
tiles under a free license.
They distribute it now for free? Why?
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linux,
Elizabeth wrote:
No, I cannot create the nice map.
Perhaps it's because I'm in the UK and am used to the non-garish OS
maps, but I sometimes look at the Mapnik rendering and think wow.
Everyone's opinion on what is nice is going to differ. We might
not even agree on something as simple as at
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:
No, I cannot create the nice map.
I do not want to be so blunt, but I do not know any other way: then
stop complaining about the map. Or anything an OSM user can complain
about at OSM, for that matter. This is
Hi,
Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
No, I cannot create the nice map.
It doesn't belong in MY skill set.
Fair enough. If you don't have the skills or the computers or the money
to create a nice map, then you have to talk someone else into creating a
nice map for you.
But I don't think this should
Kai,
Kai Krueger wrote:
Well, Navteq and Tele Atlas also don't have to attract many hundreds of
thousands of volunteers to create their data, many of whom are likely not
able to or willing to have to deal with tens of Gb of raw vector data to be
able to benefit from the work they put in. Thus
Hi,
Valent Turkovic wrote:
Agreed, and I hope we can vote so that people who are willing to make
usable maps be in OSMF board not ones that dont.
Are you saying our current maps are unusable?
Bye
Frederik
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:13:10 +0300
Al Haraka alhar...@gmail.com wrote:
I do not want to be so blunt, but I do not know any other way: then
stop complaining about the map. Or anything an OSM user can complain
about at OSM, for that matter. This is an open data project, so I
have been told.
I thought the critique was useful for those of us who rarely look at
low zooms, other than as a quick way to pan across a few
hundred/thousand miles. Yes they are a bit bland; wouldn't hurt to do
something about it (wouldn't spend much time on it, but worth a few
tweaks). Text overlaps are
Am 15.10.2010 12:06, schrieb Valent Turkovic:
Can I contribute somehow and get this done?
The OSM Style is at [1], patches to the dev list [2].
[1] http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik/
[2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev
Am 15.10.2010 12:11, schrieb Valent Turkovic:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their
tiles under a free license.
They distribute it now for free? Why?
They are forced to by the CC-BY-SA License.
Peter
...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org]
Namens Al Haraka
Verzonden: Friday, October 15, 2010 1:13 PM
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Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote:
Elizabeth
] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
Kai,
Kai Krueger wrote:
Well, Navteq and Tele Atlas also don't have to attract many hundreds of
thousands of volunteers to create their data, many of whom are likely not
able to or willing to have to deal with tens of Gb of raw vector data to be
able to benefit
Hi,
Peter Körner wrote:
Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their
tiles under a free license.
They distribute it now for free? Why?
They are forced to by the CC-BY-SA License.
CC-BY-SA would still allow them to restrict access to the site, e.g.
force users to
Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM.
But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large
margin, that which would be required to attract people to the
-krueckel.de]
Verzonden: Friday, October 15, 2010 3:17 PM
Aan: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
CC: OSM Talk
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
I agree that we need to have a map
On 15/10/10 12:30, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Hi,
Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
No, I cannot create the nice map.
It doesn't belong in MY skill set.
Fair enough. If you don't have the skills or the computers or the
money to create a nice map, then you have to talk someone else into
creating a nice map
Peter Körner wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 20:41:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
Once OSM goes ODbL, I'd expect that Mapquest will stop licensing their
tiles under a free license.
They distribute it now for free? Why?
They are forced to by the CC-BY-SA License.
...is evidently
Why would you expect that?
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
And along those lines, based on the constructive criticism, the default
map
shown on the main OSM page should be a pretty map, using
: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
Am 15.10.2010 um 14:40 schrieb ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen:
I agree that we need to have a map to demonstrate what one can do with OSM.
But in my opinion, the one we currently have already surpasses, by a large
margin
On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Randy Meech wrote:
Why would you expect that?
Randy
Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted multiple
times. Ignore him.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mike N.
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted
multiple times. Ignore him.
That is untruthful.
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On Oct 15, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted
multiple times. Ignore him.
That is untruthful.
Which bit?
Steve
stevecoast.com
Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted
multiple times. Ignore him.
That is untruthful.
Don't bother; Steve is just trolling.
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On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted
multiple times. Ignore him.
That is untruthful.
I'm afraid that Steve is
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:36 AM, Randy Meech randy.me...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you expect that?
Because it would be in their best interest to do so.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
And
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
CC-BY-SA would still allow them to restrict access to the site, e.g. force
users to log in or use an API key, which to my knowledge they don't.
Well, no, of course not. If they did that virtually no one would use
them.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 4:02 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Oct 15, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600
SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted
multiple times. Ignore him.
That
Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
Date: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap
To: Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com
Cc: t...@openstreetmap.org
Kate Chapman wrote:
Point 1: I'm not denying that the data in the U.S. is messed up. On
the other hand I can't
On 10/15/10 12:00 PM, Brad Neuhauser wrote:
OK, a metaphorical gauntlet has been thrown down, and Richard makes
great points. That said, is there any chance the US community can
find some agreement about highway tagging? And once we do, we can
broker the Israel-Palestine peace talks. :)
* Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com [2010-10-15 11:00 -0500]:
Nice timing. :)
That said, is there any chance the US community can find some agreement
about highway tagging?
I think so. I hope to get some good discussion on my email.
But seriously, it seems like we need some sort of
on this list) could come up with a process and timeline as a
way to focus the conversation and move to a resolution?
My $.02, Brad
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From: Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
Date: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Response
Dear 41latitude,
I came accross your blog on critique of OpenStreetMap.
http://www.41latitude.com/post/1310985699/openstreetmap-critique and read it
with interest. Some points are true, others need better explaination and I
think you misinterpreted some things.
Basically your critique can be
Just a comment not all the data is the map database is presented on these
map renders. I've been using Maperitive to selectively select data to be
displayed for a particular purpose and working with the rule set to display
the information in the way I wish it to be displayed. Working with a
On 10/14/2010 8:07 AM, Milo van der Linden wrote:
Dear 41latitude,
I came accross your blog on critique of OpenStreetMap.
http://www.41latitude.com/post/1310985699/openstreetmap-critique and
read it with interest. Some points are true, others need better
explaination and I think you
Am 14.10.2010 16:58, schrieb Paul Houle:
However, I'll say that the claim that we don't have the resources to do
it right is a bad smell that I often perceive around organizations
that are in a death spiral.
I'd read it like: I'ts not in our interest to do it right.
The purpose of the mail map
FYI
Justin posted a note to clarify his intention behind the article and a few
other points: http://www.41latitude.com/post/1313261274/osm-response
-Jonas
Am 14.10.2010 um 14:07 schrieb Milo van der Linden:
Dear 41latitude,
I came accross your blog on critique of OpenStreetMap.
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Paul,
Paul Houle wrote:
However, I'll say that the claim that we don't have the resources to
do it right is a bad smell that I often perceive around organizations
that are in a death spiral. Back when I worked
And along those lines, based on the constructive criticism, the default map
shown on the main OSM page should be a pretty map, using tiles from Mapquest,
while mappers that have a need to view more details can select one of the
existing map styles.
Mike N. wrote:
And along those lines, based on the constructive criticism, the default
map shown on the main OSM page should be a pretty map, using
tiles from Mapquest, while mappers that have a need to view more
details can select one of the existing map styles.
41latitude is a really
On 10/14/2010 12:52 PM, Mike N. wrote:
And along those lines, based on the constructive criticism, the
default map shown on the main OSM page should be a pretty map, using
tiles from Mapquest, while mappers that have a need to view more
details can select one of the existing map styles.
For 1 - seriously, you do. In the UK we don't have some roads tagged
A3400
and others tagged A-3400 and others tagged CNSE (Chipping Norton
Stratford Expressway, _obviously_): they're all tagged a la A3400. Our
roads are coherently classified according to the UK highway system, even
though it
Richard,
Point 1: I'm not denying that the data in the U.S. is messed up. On
the other hand I can't count the number of times people say things
that I summarize to 'God, why are you Americans too stupid, lazy or
import crazy to map your own country? It really makes people want to
continue
Hi,
Richard Fairhurst wrote:
For 2 - right. That's why you're saying use MapQuest tiles. But over here
we're used to the Ordnance Survey and its subtle use of colouring, and so
OSM looks just right and Google et al look spartan. It's no coincidence that
when Mary Spence of the British
Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes:
But over here
we're used to the Ordnance Survey and its subtle use of colouring, and so
OSM looks just right and Google et al look spartan.
That's surely a lot of the reason why OSM looks strange from an American point
of view, but he does have a
Am 14.10.2010 14:07, schrieb Milo van der Linden:
Dear 41latitude,
I came accross your blog on critique of OpenStreetMap.
http://www.41latitude.com/post/1310985699/openstreetmap-critique and
read it with interest. Some points are true, others need better
explaination and I think you
On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote:
For 1 - seriously, you do. In the UK we don't have some roads tagged
A3400
and others tagged A-3400 and others tagged CNSE (Chipping Norton
Stratford Expressway, _obviously_): they're all tagged a la A3400. Our
roads are
Kate Chapman wrote:
Point 1: I'm not denying that the data in the U.S. is messed up. On
the other hand I can't count the number of times people say things
that I summarize to 'God, why are you Americans too stupid, lazy or
import crazy to map your own country? It really makes people want to
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