Hi,
My personal opinion:
Let them.
I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see
below for details.
It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent
a total blockade of
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de wrote:
It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent
a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia.
It is definitly good that they
deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
Cc: openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 1:24:30 AM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again
maybe we could get some of them to SOTM to explain their thinking?
On May 6, 2010, at 3:25 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der
On Fri, 7 May 2010 08:10:06 +0200 (CEST), Patrick Petschge Kilian
o...@petschge.de wrote:
Hi,
My personal opinion:
Let them.
I respect your opinion but I don't think that it is a good idea. But see
below for details.
It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking
from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends
on the law of the country.
No one is encouraging or saying you should map anything if it is
On Fri, 7 May 2010 17:18:02 +1000, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking
from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all
depends
on the law
On 7 May 2010 17:36, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
I wouldn't bet on a government saying you were not in our country when
you disclosed our state secrets, so you're off the hook. I'm sure that if
they find their secrets to be important enough, they will arrest you if you
come to that
There are no rules in OSM.
So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we
want about our country in out own language and you do not have any
f*cking right to call it substandard.
Kirill,
from Russia.
2010/5/7 Patrick Petschge o...@petschge.de:
Hi,
My personal opinion:
Hi.
There is another one abnormal voting:
http://tinyurl.com/34r74hz
Most interesting part is this:
I offer to authorize the Board of OSM Russia to resolve any questions about
the OSM data on the territory of Russia, the actions of users and
participants of OSM in the territory of Russia,
On Fri, 7 May 2010 11:56:43 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com
wrote:
There are no rules in OSM.
That is not entirely true.
So my personal opinion is that we do have right to discuss anything we
want about our country in out own language and you do not have any
f*cking right to call
This whole issue is absurd. Such laws is absurd (how secret can be
something that can be seen from sat photos? Huh?) and overreaching,
and our response to it is absurd. If you don't wanna map it - don't.
If you want to warn others about issues with laws - allright, very
nice of you, do it. But
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.comwrote:
There are no rules in OSM.
I would disagree and say there are some rules, in fact a buch of them, at
the very least there is Copyright law and the creative commons copyleft
which is the basis for our collaboration.
you
El 07/05/2010 10:09, Upliner escribió:
Most interesting part is this:
I offer to authorize the Board of OSM Russia to resolve any questions [...]
The board of OSM Russia? WTF is OSM Russia?
If they want to get all legalese on our asses, they might as well set up
a chapter and be recognised by
On 7 May 2010 18:14, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard.
I would agree with you on that one!
It's easy to misinterpret what non-native english speaking people say,
substandard probably isn't what the
Did I say 'decide'? No.
As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list
THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he
wants. That's an axiom.
Yeh, deleting is vandalism = deleting good data is forbidden. That is
the only rule (copyright questions are
On Fri, 7 May 2010 12:32:28 +0400, Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did I say 'decide'? No.
As we have seen from previous discussion in forum and on this list
THERE ARE NO RULES ON HOW TO MAP IN OSM. Anyone can map in any way he
wants. That's an axiom.
Yeh, deleting is
The Russian OpenStreetMap users have proven that they are capable to
bring the issue to the international community when they need to before.
This led to a long discussion on the list dominated (again in my
opinion) by people having no clue of what it is like to live in Russia.
I think, that
You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again:
this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE.
Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force
an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way.
So this particular voting can ONLY be
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 11:15:02PM +0200, Milo van der Linden wrote:
Let them.
I am a Russian and Russian resident myself and I would agree
with this. Please do not get in too serious untill some
real actions are seen. Till that it is just the discussion
and flame on wiki and Russian forum
Kirill,
Kirill Bestoujev wrote:
You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again:
this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE.
Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force
an osmer to stop mapping or to map in an other way.
On 7 May 2010 19:36, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
If this happens, then we have a clash of two principles. Either we say
that the principle of subsidiarity overrides the freedom to tag,
allowing the Russians to restrict that freedom in their area because it
is, after all, their
John,
John Smith wrote:
I have no problem with people not wanting to map something, but you
have to draw the line somewhere, and I think this line has been
crossed by this voting proposal...
I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery
slope argument, if I were to
On 7 May 2010 19:50, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery slope
argument, if I were to remove all bullshit from our Wiki there'd not be much
left.
Most of the bullshit, as you put it, doesn't purport to be
authoritative,
* Kirill Bestoujev bestou...@gmail.com [2010-05-07 13:21 +0400]:
You did understand the text of the voting correctly. But once again:
this voting, as ANY OTHER VOTING on osm-wiki HAS NO POWER OF A RULE.
Anyone can map anything in any way he likes. No one in OSM can force
an osmer to stop
Hi all,
judging from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:ВикиПроект_Россия/Голосования/Государственная_тайна
(see http://tinyurl.com/2cx9v9h for english version) and
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=6905p=3 (see
http://tinyurl.com/327ooaa) the Russian make a second attempt to
And so what?
2010/5/6 Patrick Kilian o...@petschge.de:
Hi all,
judging from
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RU:ВикиПроект_Россия/Голосования/Государственная_тайна
(see http://tinyurl.com/2cx9v9h for english version) and
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=6905p=3 (see
My personal opinion:
Let them.
It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent
a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia.
People who cannot imagine how it is to have a government that has
issues in
On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote:
My personal opinion:
Let them.
It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent
a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia.
What
maybe we could get some of them to SOTM to explain their thinking?
On May 6, 2010, at 3:25 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote:
My personal opinion:
Let them.
It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap
without
My opinion is that the Russian issue has nothing to do with freedom of speech.
I suspect that if you ask the average Russian if it is a good thing
that some of their citizens are submitting the locations of suspected
military installations to a database in the United Kingdom, they will
say no.
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