On 4/11/2011 11:41 AM, Ian Dees wrote:
When Google turns Google MapMaker on in the US and Europe*, it will
become much harder to recruit new mappers to our community (that is
already quite small). Being passive about this issue means that OSM and
its more-open data will eventually be drowned
So here it begins, Google Map Maker now available in the US:
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/04/add-your-local-knowledge-to-map-with.html
http://www.google.com/intl/en_us/help/mapmaker/
-Josh
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:02 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote:
On 4/11/2011 11:41 AM, Ian Dees
Mikel,
On 04/11/2011 05:27 PM, Mikel Maron wrote:
http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635
In the following message, all quotes are from your blog post.
I've given this matter some thought and I think while your concerns are
legitimate, you are perhaps overreacting a bit.
OpenStreetMap
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
Hi,
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote:
Where can I access the OSM data?
I know it is possible to download the hole planet, setup a database,...
but that's not an easy task.
Not easy, but possible, and done by
On Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:58:05 +0200, Erik Johansson wrote:
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
wrote:
Hi,
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote:
Where can I access the OSM data?
I know it is possible to download the hole planet, setup a
database,...
but that's not
On 12 April 2011 09:58, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote:
I would place downloading the planet on the same level as compiling a
kernel. Not really hard, but something most Ubuntu users are scared of
doing.
Agreed, but then again do you expect everyone every Ubuntu users to start
compiling
http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635
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On 11 Apr 2011, at 16:27, Mikel Maron wrote:
http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635
Meh – the great thing about being open is that you get to take the moral high
ground because you're not stopping other people doing what they like. Why
spoil that by trying to stop google doing what they
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 Apr 2011, at 16:27, Mikel Maron wrote:
http://brainoff.com/weblog/2011/04/11/1635
Meh – the great thing about being open is that you get to take the moral
high ground because you're not stopping other people
Meh – the great thing about being open is that you get to take the moral high
ground because you're not stopping other people doing what they like. Why
spoil
that by trying to stop google doing what they like?
Sorry, no time for moral relativism right now.
On 11 Apr 2011, at 16:43, Mikel Maron wrote:
Meh – the great thing about being open is that you get to take the moral
high ground because you're not stopping other people doing what they like.
Why spoil that by trying to stop google doing what they like?
Sorry, no time for moral
On 11 April 2011 16:48, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't mind about being open, why are you not just using Google's
data already?
Hello,
thank you for your insightful comment, I will move immediately to Google and
start using their data directly. Can you point out to me
On 11 Apr 2011, at 17:16, Emilie Laffray wrote:
On 11 April 2011 16:48, Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com wrote:
If you don't mind about being open, why are you not just using Google's data
already?
Hello,
thank you for your insightful comment, I will move immediately to Google
Could we perhaps work together with Google by organizing joint mapping parties
where the resulting data is added to both maps?
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and as with other pseudo-free map
projects like People's Map, we should take this as a vindication of the OSM
approach. I
On 4/11/2011 12:50 PM, Ed Avis wrote:
Could we perhaps work together with Google by organizing joint mapping parties
where the resulting data is added to both maps?
LOL, that's what I was thinking; let them organize the party, attend and
enter wherever I wish. It's doubtful that they would
This was *directly* proposed to Google for a specific country (details
have to remain private for now). It was even proposed to collect data
into a neutral database and 'publish' it into both MM and OSM ... they
said flat out they were not interested. It occurs to me that they
simply want to own
Yup there's several examples of negotiating similar compromises, all for
naught; among other stories of dastardly deeds. Happy to collect these into a
follow up post.
Mikel on the phone
On Apr 11, 2011, at 13:18, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote:
This was *directly* proposed to Google
Also relevant to this discussion (although not directly related to Mikel's
post):
Ed Parsons talks about the difference between OSM and MapMaker at minute 39
of this recording http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/13672861 (incidentally this
set of videos is also where someone from Google mentioned GMM
Mikel,
It's indeed a scary prospect to have Google sucking the life out of
our burgeoning community.
What suggestions do you have/actions are you taking[1] to help us
compete with Google?
- Serge
[1] Either as an individual or as part of the OSM Foundation board.
I think 'sucking the life' is a bit of a strong term.
On 4/11/2011 11:49 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote:
Mikel,
It's indeed a scary prospect to have Google sucking the life out of
our burgeoning community.
What suggestions do you have/actions are you taking[1] to help us
compete with Google?
-
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 10:41:42AM -0500, Ian Dees wrote:
When Google turns Google MapMaker on in the US and Europe*, it will become
much harder to recruit new mappers to our community (that is already quite
small). Being passive about this issue means that OSM and its more-open data
will
Let's not loose sight of a few facts / trends w.r.t. sub Saharan Africa:
1. The continent is not experiencing the same demographic dividend as
other emerging economies. Birthrates will remain high for at least
another 50 years. AIDS is decimating the economically active
population.
Of course, its not about the license at all - if you appeal to fans of
licenses you'll attract nobody. Google will take potential users by
providing an awesome end product; the sort if thing everyone can appreciate.
Make some awesome mapping products and you'll attract plenty of contributors
and
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 08:14:28PM +0100, Joseph Reeves wrote:
Of course, its not about the license at all - if you appeal to fans of
licenses you'll attract nobody. Google will take potential users by
providing an awesome end product; the sort if thing everyone can appreciate.
Make some
On 11 April 2011 20:14, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course, its not about the license at all - if you appeal to fans of
licenses you'll attract nobody. Google will take potential users by
providing an awesome end product; the sort if thing everyone can appreciate.
Make some
5. OSM is simply not successful enough in Africa to cover the
tremendous opportunities presented in points 3 and 4. Lack of cheap
Internet access on the African continent should take most of the
blame. But it doesn't help that so many OSM apps are not available in
Africa (Skobbler, ORS,
If you don't mind about being open, why are you not just using
Google's data already?
Hello,
thank you for your insightful comment, I will move immediately to
Google and start using their data directly. Can you point out to me
where I can access their data so I can make an
Hi,
Bernhard Zwischenbrugger wrote:
Where can I access the OSM data?
I know it is possible to download the hole planet, setup a database,...
but that's not an easy task.
Not easy, but possible, and done by literally hundreds of people all
over the world.
You are missing the point if you
On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Bernhard Zwischenbrugger
b...@datenkueche.com wrote:
Where can I access the OSM data?
I know it is possible to download the hole planet, setup a database,... but
that's not an easy task.
Setting up a full mirror of any constantly changing data is
non-trivial,
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