Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 5:52 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: 1. That's not how it's been used currently 2. How would we ensure every mapper knows the difference? 3. Even if for some magical reason people understand the difference, how many will bother checking that? #4 how do

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-10 Thread Andreas Goss
On 5/7/15 16:40 , Richard Z. wrote: indeed my intention was to use contact:twitter exactly when a company explicitly recommends it as a way to contact them whereas twitter=* could be used to mean anything else. 1. That's not how it's been used currently 2. How would we ensure every mapper

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-10 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 01:31:52PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: On 5/7/15 16:40 , Richard Z. wrote: indeed my intention was to use contact:twitter exactly when a company explicitly recommends it as a way to contact them whereas twitter=* could be used to mean anything else. 1. That's not how

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-07 16:40 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: people will not be more inclined to respond to enquiries via a certain medium if we put a contact prefix in osm, or did I misunderstand you and you propose to use both tags, one for their Twitter account and the other if they react

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, May 06, 2015 at 11:37:41PM +0200, Andreas Goss wrote: the verbosity may be unneeded for very simple things like phone but is that true for everything covered by contact* ? key:fax? key:twitter? key:vhf? So what would you do with those tags? If we don't use contact for phone, it

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 07.05.2015 um 13:50 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: then contact:twitter is also flat out wrong, because many companies will not reply and maybe not even read what you tweet them. this is one of the reasons why contact:twitter is much better then twitter=* because the first

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 04:20:22PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am 07.05.2015 um 13:50 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: then contact:twitter is also flat out wrong, because many companies will not reply and maybe not even read what you tweet them. this is one of

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-07 Thread Lester Caine
On 07/05/15 15:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Likewise contact:website is reasonably clear while website=* may or may not offer a contact method. indeed, there are lots of reasons why someone will visit a website and contact is only a subset of them. In addition most companies will

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-06 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 06:20:42PM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-05 17:21 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: the verbosity may be unneeded for very simple things like phone but is that true for everything covered by contact* ? key:fax? key:twitter? key:vhf? have

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-06 Thread Andreas Goss
e.g. a general contact telephone number and, say, an emergency or reservations or god-knows-what other telephone number. Yeah, but the obvious simple solution for that is a phone:emergency, phone:reception or whatever comes up often. __ openstreetmap.org/user/AndiG88

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-06 Thread Andreas Goss
the verbosity may be unneeded for very simple things like phone but is that true for everything covered by contact* ? key:fax? key:twitter? key:vhf? So what would you do with those tags? If we don't use contact for phone, it makes no sense at all to use it for something like social media etc.

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-06 Thread Éric Gillet
2015-05-06 15:33 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Btw anyone knows what phone=3631 is ? 3631 is the short (local) phone number to contact La Poste, the postal services in France. The large number of occurences is from an opendata import. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-05 Thread Richard Z.
On Sun, May 03, 2015 at 11:17:35AM -0400, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: The reason is that the contact: tags are unnecessarily verbose (we should use simpler tags whenever possible) and the simpler tags are much more popular (there are 98865 contact:phone tags but 490328 phone tags). Why do we need

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-05 17:21 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: the verbosity may be unneeded for very simple things like phone but is that true for everything covered by contact* ? key:fax? key:twitter? key:vhf? have you seen taginfo? 906 vhf 182 vhf_channel 73 waterway:vhf_channel 36

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-04 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: Someone attempted an undiscussed mechanical edit of this in the past and got reverted. Similar examples are power=sub_station, power=station, oneway=true, oneway=1, oneway=-1, etc. There tends to be a widespread

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: I am proposing that the contact: set of tags (contact:phone, contact:website, etc.) be depreciated and replaced with the simpler set of tags (phone, website, etc.) I am not proposing that anyone do any mechanical

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 3 May 2015 at 21:25, Andrew MacKinnon andrew...@gmail.com wrote: (OSM ought to allow commas in values to allow for more than one website or phone number). It is suggested that semicolons are used to separate multiple data. -- Mike. @millomweb

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/03/2015 05:17 PM, Andrew MacKinnon wrote: I am proposing that the contact: set of tags (contact:phone, contact:website, etc.) be depreciated and replaced with the simpler set of tags (phone, website, etc.) IIRC when the contact:* stuff was proposed, the reasons for it were that it

[OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread Andrew MacKinnon
I am proposing that the contact: set of tags (contact:phone, contact:website, etc.) be depreciated and replaced with the simpler set of tags (phone, website, etc.) I am not proposing that anyone do any mechanical edits. The reason is that the contact: tags are unnecessarily verbose (we should use

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread Bryan Housel
I like the `contact:*` tags, but only because it simplifies a few things in the iD editor. When copying and pasting an object, we really want to remove the name/address/contactinfo so that the pasted object doesn’t have the same values. If all the custom keys are grouped under

Re: [OSM-talk] contact: tags

2015-05-03 Thread pmailkeey .
On 3 May 2015 at 17:05, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: I like the `contact:*` tags, but only because it simplifies a few things in the iD editor. When copying and pasting an object, we really want to remove the name/address/contactinfo so that the pasted object doesn’t have the