I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps background for
OSM editing. Is it legal?
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
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El 30/03/2010 10:28, simone gadenz escribió:
I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps
background for OSM editing. Is it legal?
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
Scroll down and you'll find this piece of text:
It's been a year since I've done anything with Google
Definitely not. See the last note on the page:
It's been a year since I've done anything with Google WMS, but I still get
so much hate-mail about this service.. Here's what they want me to say..
Adhere to the Google Maps terms and conditions and don't trace data into
Open Street Map..
Yet in his
simone gadenz wrote:
I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps
background for OSM editing. Is it legal?
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
No. You must not use Google as a source for OSM. This would be a breach
of Google's terms of use, it would taint OSM's data and
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 08:28, simone gadenz s.gad...@geologyx.it wrote:
I have just come across this WMS service providing google maps background for
OSM editing. Is it legal?
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
Is it legal to?
* Use it in JOSM: Yes
* Edit data based on it: Yes
*
El 30/03/2010 11:36, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason escribió:
I'm sure the FSF doesn't send people who write non-free programs with
Emacs hate mail :)
You should attend a lecture by Richard Stallman :-P
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On 30 March 2010 02:36, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it legal to?
* Use it in JOSM: Yes
* Edit data based on it: Yes
* Upload it to the OSM servers: No
JOSM has the capability to use any server you want (or none at all),
not all servers are run at
On 30 March 2010 10:53, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote:
He could keep the page and program up there but
should put warnings
I don't think it's even legal for him to have this service? Doesn't
google TOS prohibit both storing the tiles and republishing outside
google's own api?
On 30 March 2010 21:08, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it's even legal for him to have this service? Doesn't
As someone else pointed out, there is nothing illegal about the code,
it might be against their terms and services to use it but that's
contract law, not
On Mar 30, 2010, at 6:08 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 30 March 2010 10:53, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote:
He could keep the page and program up there but
should put warnings
I don't think it's even legal for him to have this service? Doesn't
google TOS
I dropped the message to the list because for me was obvious the service was
violating the term of Google's license but i was not sure it was illegal. In
any case I was worried of the implication for the OSM. Can this service be a
problem for the OSM community and in case Is OSM able to cope
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:38, Gregory nomoregra...@googlemail.com wrote:
I think the comment he has put about hate mail is really bad though, it
makes OSM out to be a bad project/community even though it created JOSM.
Would it really hurt him to put a notice about copyright to say check out
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:53, simone gadenz s.gad...@geologyx.it wrote:
I dropped the message to the list because for me was obvious the service was
violating the term of Google's license but i was not sure it was illegal. In
any case I was worried of the implication for the OSM. Can this
On 30 March 2010 13:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
That doesn't make something illegal and google are free to send him a
CD if they feel up to it, but that's civil contract law.
Ok, so it's not automatically a crime but it's still fair to say it
isn't legal if you take obeying
On 30 March 2010 14:10, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 March 2010 13:27, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
That doesn't make something illegal and google are free to send him a
CD if they feel up to it, but that's civil contract law.
Ok, so it's not automatically
Ian Dees wrote:
We need to be careful about our words. Tracing data into OSM from any
source could be a violation of the terms of use of the service, but it
is definitely not illegal.
Well - there may be some jurisdiction out there dumb enough to make a
violation of some Ts Cs an
On 30 March 2010 22:16, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
People shouldn't be uploading data from sources it's not allowed to,
They shouldn't upload data they don't have permission to upload...
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On 30 March 2010 22:10, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote:
people do. And if they send that guy a CD he'll be responsible of
ceasing to distribute the tiles as well as repair damage caused (or at
He's not distributing a program that breaks their TOS since he's not
directly doing
On 30 March 2010 22:15, Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
Well - there may be some jurisdiction out there dumb enough to make a
violation of some Ts Cs an infringement of some law or other.
Unlikely, but possible, and dafter laws do get passed from time to time,
so definitely not
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Did you read the website? Here's what it says: Adhere to the Google
Maps terms and conditions and don't trace data into Open Street
Map...
The context is important.
Website content:
It's been a year since I've done anything with Google WMS, but I still
get so
Hi,
Tobias Knerr wrote:
So it's in quotation marks and it isn't at all presented as the author's
personal statement, it's what people sending hate-mail want him to
say. Putting that advice in the mouths of senders of hate-mail certainly
isn't what you do if you want to honestly want to warn
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 13:04, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
To the same effect, he could have written just ignore the naggers with
their legalities and trace away. It's only insignificantly more subtle
the way he phrases it.
Could have should have. Let's not forget the context
2010/3/30 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com:
I'm not breaking Google's TOS. Just because I give you hammer that
make me responsible for you bludgeoning someone to death with it.
well, give a kid a gun and you ARE responsible (at least partially)
for what happens. There's to decide
On 30 March 2010 06:04, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
Did you read the website? Here's what it says: Adhere to the Google
Maps terms and conditions and don't trace data into Open Street
Map...
The context is important.
Website content:
It's
I dropped the message to the list because for me was obvious the service was
violating the term of Google's license but i was not sure it was illegal. In
any case I was worried of the implication for the OSM. Can this service be a
problem for the OSM community and in case Is OSM able to cope
2010/3/30 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com:
I'm not breaking Google's TOS. Just because I give you hammer that
make me responsible for you bludgeoning someone to death with it.
well, give a kid a gun and you ARE responsible (at least partially)
for what happens. There's to decide
Hi,
Simon Ward wrote:
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 01:22:22AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave,
On Thursday 25 Dec 2008 4:17:47 pm Frederik Ramm wrote:
Especially as this would be another move to try and take responsibility
away from the user: Hey, the OSM server didn't complain when I hit
upload, so it must have been ok! - I am very muc hin favour of grown-up
users and a system that
hi,
apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
into OSM have stumbled across this site:
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
and were all set to pollute the OSM database when I stopped them. Can we not
convince this gentleman to cease and desist?
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On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Andrew Chadwick (email lists)
andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org wrote:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
into OSM have stumbled across this site:
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
and were all
2008/12/24 Andrew Chadwick (email lists) andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org:
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
apologies if this has been brought up before, but some people I have brought
into OSM have stumbled across this site:
http://www.peterdamen.com/GoogleWMS/
and were all set to pollute the OSM
On Wednesday 24 Dec 2008 3:21:36 pm Nick Black wrote:
Thanks for bringing this up. I will pass this onto the Foundation team and
get in touch with the person running the site.
Have you tried to contact the site owner in the past?
I havent - but I think the foundation should communicate with
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com wrote:
Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good.
I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers
in JOSM - one editor for OSM data - excepted for copy ?
I still see why people
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:07:06AM +, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:
Well even so, it would probably be against the terms of use etc from
Google, and they can ask for it to be taken down, so whilst it may be
useful, it cannot be used...
It’s up to Google to do that, we can’t speak for them.
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 12:09:40PM +, Thomas Wood wrote:
I brought this up in IRC a few weeks back, and I know its been brought
up before that.
It's also appeared on the mls before, Richard's response pretty much
sums it up..
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote:
A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies I'm sorry Dave, I'm
afraid I can't
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 02:34:13PM +0100, Pieren wrote:
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote:
A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
session. Server checks,
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote:
Hard validation wasn't the point. The point was to make the user think
twice, just as with Richard's comment on using GPSBabel to convert KML
to GPX, then having to munge it to add timestamps. You can bypass such
a check
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 03:14:14PM +0100, Gustav Foseid wrote:
In addition, I have had a hard time finding anything in Google Earth terms
that limits tracing, as opposed to Google Maps where this is stated very
clearly.
Just searching for “google earth terms of service” gives (among other
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com
wrote:
Frederik does make a good point that it could be used for good.
I'm probably stupid but what is the aim of having google maps layers
in JOSM - one
On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 01:22:22AM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote:
A possible consideration for a future API is to move the check there:
JOSM uploads, and indicates what data sources were used in the editing
session. Server checks, sees GoogleWMS, replies “I’m sorry Dave, I’m
afraid I can’t
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