Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-17 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the difference between them? Can you show me an example? As the wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:14:15 +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: The only thing highway=path says is that wide vehicles like cars can't drive there. How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the difference between them? Can you show me an example? -- pratite me na twitteru -

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:10:48 +0200, Marc Schütz wrote: I would suggest using segregated=yes/no, as described on the bottom of this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated Is this tag in use? I haven't seen it widely used... is there a reason why people don't use it?

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 16 Sep 2009, at 15:42, Valent Turkovic wrote: On Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:14:15 +0200, Ben Laenen wrote: The only thing highway=path says is that wide vehicles like cars can't drive there. How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the difference between them? Can you

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: How do you differentiate from path and footpath tag? What is the difference between them? Can you show me an example? As the wiki says, briefly: highway=path is a generic path (i.e. any path) highway=footway

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/10 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: 2009/9/10 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com Hi, how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ Seeing as it looks like the cycleway and footpath are complete segregated (by a clear gutter, not

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/9/16 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Oh please don't reopen the debate about the highway=path tag. Please read the archives, there are some very, very, very long topics on this recently. I missed that as I was in holiday. What did you agree on? cheers, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-16 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/16 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: Oh please don't reopen the debate about the highway=path tag. Please read the archives, there are some very, very, very long topics on this recently. I

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-11 Thread Richard Mann
Eagerness should be channelled, not suppressed. Richard On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Jason Cunningham jamicu...@googlemail.com wrote: And I would be tempted to tag it highway=footway graffiti=yes I am beginning to think cycleway gets added by eager cyclists far more often than

[OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes OR highway=footway + bicycle=yes Are these two the same? What is the difference? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Mike Collinson
highway=cycleway foot=yes cycleway=separated (not a Map Features value) I acknowledge a personal bias towards mapping for cyclists, others will disagree. My rationale is: As a cyclist, I am looking for cycleways on the map. As a pedestrian, I'd like to know if I can got for a nice quiet meander

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread osm
Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes OR highway=footway + bicycle=yes Are these two the same? What is the difference? I prefer highway=cycleway + foot=yes. Cheers, Chris

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Liz
On Thu, 10 Sep 2009, Valent Turkovic wrote: Hi, how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes OR highway=footway + bicycle=yes Are these two the same? What is the difference? Valent thank you for your question. I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread James Livingston
On 10/09/2009, at 7:01 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ highway=cycleway + pedestrian=yes OR highway=footway + bicycle=yes Are these two the same? What is the difference? Be prepared for a long drawn out

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread John Smith
2009/9/10 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes Isn't that redundent? I assume highway=cycleway to imply bicycle=designated

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Frankie Roberto
2009/9/10 Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com Hi, how should I map this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/valent_turkovic/3900795904/ Seeing as it looks like the cycleway and footpath are complete segregated (by a clear gutter, not just a painted line), you could always draw two parallel

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread James Livingston
On 10/09/2009, at 8:05 PM, John Smith wrote: 2009/9/10 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes Isn't that redundent? I assume

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/10 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that wasn't there, I'd say footway=yes;bicycle=yes

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread John Smith
2009/9/10 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: I do too. However after the last discussion a lot of people seemed to think it only implied bicycle=yes not bicycle=designated, so I'd add it explicitly because of the designation marking on the ground. Of course, I don't think anyone agreed on what

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread James Livingston
On 10/09/2009, at 8:32 PM, David Earl wrote: Therein lies the problem with each of these debates that comes up every couple of months - while everyone would agree* that cycleways accommodate cyclists, the rules vary around the world about what else is allowed by default. I don't see

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:21, Roy Wallace wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:05 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/10 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: Because of the presence of the bicycle symbol on the ground, I'd say highway=cycleway;bicycle=designated;foot=yes. If that

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Sybren A . Stüvel
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 08:46:50PM +1000, James Livingston wrote: I think the first question mostly was the cyclists wanting cycleway and the non-cyclists wanting footway. Both ways are perfectly valid, and I can't see either being picked without flipping a coin. Perhaps my perspective is very

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Lennard
Shaun McDonald wrote: This isn't a highway=path since the surface is tarmac. highway=path + surface=tarmac Plenty of =1 meter wide paths around that have concrete/tarmac/asphalt surfaces, for instance. From all the discussion in the past year, or at least since the invention of

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: This isn't a highway=path since the surface is tarmac. This is irrelevant. Highway=path does not make any implication on surface: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 8:46 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: Most of the arguments I saw in the previous debate stemmed from two questions: * If a path can be used by both cyclists and pedestrians but has no signage (or has signage for both), should it be footway or cycleway? *

[OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
I think we've seen (several times) the different meanings given in the wiki guidelines in different languages/ for different countries; there's little to gain from discussing them over again _until_ someone makes a proposal to clear the issue with well written explanations. But I want to note

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I don't really want to get into this argument again, but I believe that either we're going to end up with local rules for the access mappings, or some regions are going to have to tag every single cycleway/footway with

Re: [OSM-talk] how to map this? cycleway or footpath?

2009-09-10 Thread Jason Cunningham
And I would be tempted to tag it highway=footway graffiti=yes I am beginning to think cycleway gets added by eager cyclists far more often than should really happen. Jason Cunningham user:jamicu 2009/9/10 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 9:59 PM, James Livingston