Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread David Earl
deprecated is just someone's opinion, as is the suggested alternative. Though by not following the crowd it may be a feature is created that is useful on the map. natural=wood is the widely used tag for a wood (over 65,000 of them and currently rendered widely. landuse=wood by comparison has

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/7/20 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: natural=wood is the widely used tag for a wood (over 65,000 of them and currently rendered widely. landuse=wood by comparison has never been widely used (only 214 occurrences currently). landuse=forest (why not natural=forest? just history)

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Ed Loach
landuse=forest - actively managed trees, natural=wood - natural woodland Surely logically the options are landuse=forest - large area of actively managed trees, landuse=wood - small area of actively managed trees, natural=wood - small area containing naturally occurring trees

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Tom Chance
On Mon, 20 Jul 2009 13:55:54 +0100, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Surely logically the options are landuse=forest - large area of actively managed trees, landuse=wood - small area of actively managed trees, natural=wood - small area containing naturally occurring trees natural=forest -

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread David Earl
Ed Loach wrote: landuse=forest - actively managed trees, natural=wood - natural woodland Surely logically the options are landuse=forest - large area of actively managed trees, landuse=wood - small area of actively managed trees, natural=wood - small area containing naturally occurring

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Of course, determining whether your average bit of woodland in the UK is Maybe these tags exist for other parts of the world too? I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure not all areas in Australia has been logged or managed and

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Indeed, in most developed countries, I would suggest that it is very rare for trees to be naturally occurring or not managed in some way. I've no idea about most developed countries, but I'm confident that not all of

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread David Earl
John Smith wrote: --- On Mon, 20/7/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Indeed, in most developed countries, I would suggest that it is very rare for trees to be naturally occurring or not managed in some way. I've no idea about most developed countries, but I'm confident

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Now, I would tag it that way if that was the spec, but there is no spec for OSM, so as I said I suspect most people do what feels right rather than try to determine the tagging according to some usually undeterminable

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Jeffrey Ollie
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:26 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 20/7/09, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Indeed, in most developed countries, I would suggest that it is very rare for trees to be naturally occurring or not managed in some way. I've no

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Sam Vekemans
Twitter: @Acrosscanada Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 5:35 AM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/7/20 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: natural=wood is the widely used tag for a wood (over 65,000 of them and currently rendered

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Ed Loach
Most people don't consult the wiki pages: if they think it is a wood they tag it as a wood. And I'd contend that most people think something is a wood because it is not big enough to be a forest, though I have no real evidence other than common sense and the widespread use of it for that

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Jeffrey Ollie j...@ocjtech.us wrote: Although logging may be prohibited currently there may have been logging activity before the area was designated as a wilderness area. We keep getting the tree hugger ads on tv about protecting what ever section of rain forest that

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/7/20 Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com: Depending on your perspective (and who your boss is). ... according to tree-huggers, all trees that are standing SHOULD be protected, and designated as a national park. :) ... tree's were there way longer than people, and should be more

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Of course, determining whether your average bit of woodland in the UK is landuse or natural is fun, given that pretty much all of it has been carefully managed at soem stage over the past few hundred years! Why do we care

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/7/20 Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: Of course, determining whether your average bit of woodland in the UK is landuse or natural is fun, given that pretty much all of it has been carefully managed at soem stage over

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 20/7/09, Gustav Foseid gust...@gmail.com wrote: In my mind, something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cricketbatwillow/825730972/ is managed forest and landuse=forest But something like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sequella/425687849/in/photostream/ is mostly

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Gustav Foseid
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cricketbatwillow/825730972/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/sequella/425687849/in/photostream/ Ummm is it just me or do they both look like plantations used for logging? The only

Re: [OSM-talk] keep right! and landuse=wood

2009-07-20 Thread Stéphane Brunner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Harald Kleiner a écrit : Hi Stéphane, Hi to all contributors of this thread! What a nice confusion I created! It wasn't my intention. In keepright I refer to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Deprecated_features Excellent I don't