Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-30 Thread Andy Allan
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:41 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: - Zitierten Text ausblenden - Greg Troxel wrote:   I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of th= e   buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we=  all   think of that as

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
Greg Troxel wrote: I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). highway=unclassified for now (and throw a fixme= tag explaining the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/29 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: - Zitierten Text ausblenden - Greg Troxel wrote: I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks).

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/29 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com:  I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the  buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all  think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). residential doesn't imply sidewalks in my area  So is

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Isn't that highway=pedestrian exactly? As for cars I think it might be a physical impossibility rather than permitted / not permitted. (But for routing purposes it's just the same.) I suppose it is, except that really it's highway=motorcycle. My real point was that the whole 'highway'

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/29 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com:  Isn't that highway=pedestrian exactly?  As for cars I think it might  be a physical impossibility rather than permitted / not permitted.  (But for routing purposes it's just the same.) well, IMHO it's not, as pedestrian are streets not generally allowed

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Richard Mann
I'd have said a pedestrian street was one which (often through conversion) is now primarily for access on foot, and pretty much unsegregated (ie no kerbs, and not much paving differentiation). Access varies (can be bicycles, motorcycles or even some cars - eg Lucca in Italy). It doesn't only apply

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
- Zitierten Text ausblenden - Greg Troxel wrote: I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of th= e buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we= all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). highway=3Dunclassified for now (and

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Claudius
Am 26.05.2009 12:29, Ben Laenen: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street No, I guess, it will have a red dashed

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Frank Sautter
Ben Laenen wrote: It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway says about highway=service: Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial estate, business park, etc.. This is also

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Ben Laenen
On Thursday 28 May 2009, you wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway says about highway=service: Generally for access to a building, motorway service station, beach, campsite, industrial

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Richard Mann
I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). So is there any objection to highway=pedestrian+bicycle=yes+motorcycle=yes? Richard On Thu, May 28,

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Pieren
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Frank Sautter openstreet...@sautter.com wrote: so highway=service has no meaning about public accessability. this is done using the access tag. highway=service just means this is a road that is not as wide as a highway=residential. No, the definition does not

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Greg Troxel
I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). residential doesn't imply sidewalks in my area So is there any objection to

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/28 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com: I'd agree that service isn't quite right, if that's the front of the buildings. But similarly residential isn't right either (I guess we all think of that as something with pavements/sidewalks). residential don't have to have

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-27 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Paul Johnson wrote: Ben Laenen wrote: It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. Alleyways are clearly public roads, and those are highway=service service=alley... But I think there's a big difference in alleys that should be tagged

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-27 Thread Paul Johnson
andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/5/26 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia capisc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ivan Garcia
Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use to differentiate this allewys in the rendered map? Best Regards. On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:34 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Ivan Garcia

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street No, I guess, it will have a red dashed transparent line drawn over

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Marc Schütz
And I guess it should be rather highway=service than highway=residental. That changes rendering a bit too (it is narrower in Mapnik IIRC). What was that again with the don't tag for the renderer meme? :-) It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. The

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/26 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi, could you tell me by looking at this picture [1] how to tag this in OSM ? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8Y0T3EnBVPw/SJcJ13KnOII/BCg/ot4X2My6CvA/s400/vietnam%2Balley.jpg It's an alley where only people/motorbikes can go.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/5/26 andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com: I normally use highway=pedestrian for this kind of streets in city centres (especially mediterranean), here I'd add motorcycle=yes but definitely wouldn't use access=no. I would use highway=footway, as pedestrian I see for ways that are broad

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia capisc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street, what highway tag  can I use to differentiate this allewys in the rendered map? This looks like a:

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Ben Laenen wrote: On Tuesday 26 May 2009, Jacek Konieczny wrote: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 09:56:42AM +0200, Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street No, I guess, it will have a red dashed transparent

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Pieren
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: It's clearly a public road so you shouldn't use highway=service here. Alleyways are clearly public roads, and those are highway=service service=alley... Why you don't create a highway=alley and just keep highway=service

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/5/26 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia capisc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street, what highway tag  can I use to differentiate this

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/5/26 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Ivan Garcia capisc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, which your approach, I believe that the render by osm will be the same than a normal residential street, what highway tag can I use

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag small city alley ?

2009-05-25 Thread Paul Johnson
Ivan Garcia wrote: Hi, could you tell me by looking at this picture [1] how to tag this in OSM ? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8Y0T3EnBVPw/SJcJ13KnOII/BCg/ot4X2My6CvA/s400/vietnam%2Balley.jpg It's an alley where only people/motorbikes can go. access=no foot=yes bicycle=yes (I assume