Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-30 Thread Christoph Eckert
Hi, Hi, I would really appreciate if the JOSM presets dictators could remove the option about motorcar in the JOSM presets dialog. We get on the french ML more and more complains about the confusion between unclassified, tracks, footway, path, etc. If in addition, the JOSM presets about

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/30 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: Another reason this is a bad idea, is that its difficult to access, search index and process. I think lanes need there own records, like ways, nodes and relations. There would be some absolute limitations we will have to work around, but while it would

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:20 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/30 Anthony o...@inbox.org: way id= nd ref=.../ tag .../ tag .../ tag k='lanes' v='2' / tag k='lanedirection' v='backward;forward' tag k='maxspeed' v='130;110' / /way That solution would fail

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/30 Anthony o...@inbox.org: True but the example did not show why that was needed.  Looking at commercial mapping software, the typical solution is to split the way. This whole discussion started because of people wanting to do weird things to show how a stop sign was applicable to a lane

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:57 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/30 Anthony o...@inbox.org: True but the example did not show why that was needed. Looking at commercial mapping software, the typical solution is to split the way. This whole discussion started because of

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I really don't see how it's less complicated to use the physical rather than the logical. It's actually much more complicated when you get into the micro areas and you start adding straight lines through a large intersection

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/30 Anthony o...@inbox.org: It was you who suggested that a stop sign is applicable to a lane not a way.  I'd say, like Tobias, that it is applicable to a way and a direction. No, you stop at a stop sign which is a point on a way, direction only matters if you can't tag this point on

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:01 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/30 Anthony o...@inbox.org: It was you who suggested that a stop sign is applicable to a lane not a way. I'd say, like Tobias, that it is applicable to a way and a direction. No, you stop at a stop sign

Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/30 Christoph Eckert c...@christeck.de: If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. +1 Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the removal triggers some complaints, I'll reenable it.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/30 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Of course, if you want to add up the instances of one-lane, bi-directional, roads with stop signs, and the instances of undivided roads with stop-signs which only apply to some lanes going in the same direction, I'm sure there are many many more of the former.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:37 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: However I think this is the most common case:

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Unless I'm misreading this, anyone going from 4th Avenue onto Rodeo Drive has to stop, and everyone going from Roxton Ave onto Rodeo Drive has to stop.  That, in my opinion, has nothing to do with lanes.  I'm not sure why it's so important to model in the

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-30 Thread Gervase Markham
On 28/08/09 13:07, wynnd...@lavabit.com wrote: On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: lock=yes lock_name=Withrington Bottom Lock When you are tagging a way, you can't use name= because that will already contain the name of the canal. Hence lock_name=. Why would you want to repeat the

[OSM-talk] revert request

2009-08-30 Thread Richard Weait
Would somebody run two reverts for me please? My import failed in changesets 2311851 and 2308610 Nodes were imported for woods polygons but not the ways. fail. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-30 Thread Craig Wallace
On 30/08/2009 08:24, Christoph Eckert wrote: If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. I better should resist to abuse my dictatorship for tagging politics ;-) . Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not show significant use (10 times

Re: [OSM-talk] revert request

2009-08-30 Thread Ian Dees
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Would somebody run two reverts for me please? My import failed in changesets 2311851 and 2308610 Nodes were imported for woods polygons but not the ways. fail. Did you get an error from the server? I also saw this

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 10:27 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Why is a relation the best solution? What solution is better? Your lane-based solution doesn't work if there is only one lane with bi-directional traffic. The solution of adding a node and a direction would be

Re: [OSM-talk] revert request

2009-08-30 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Ian Deesian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Would somebody run two reverts for me please? My import failed in changesets 2311851 and 2308610 Nodes were imported for woods polygons but not the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: What solution is better?  Your lane-based solution doesn't work if there is only one lane with bi-directional traffic.  The solution of adding a node and a direction would be second best, but I think it's clunky adding multiple extra nodes instead of one

Re: [OSM-talk] revert request

2009-08-30 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Weait wrote: Would somebody run two reverts for me please? At it right now... Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] waterway=lock

2009-08-30 Thread Mario Salvini
Peter Childs schrieb: 2009/8/28 wynnd...@lavabit.com: On 27/08/09 12:13, Jack Stringer wrote: lock=yes lock_name=Withrington Bottom Lock When you are tagging a way, you can't use name= because that will already contain the name of the canal. Hence lock_name=.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: What solution is better? Your lane-based solution doesn't work if there is only one lane with bi-directional traffic. The solution of adding a node and a direction would be

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: No, it's a redesign of the whole system.  A system which wasn't made for per-lane routing information. It wasn't designed with relations either, but they now exist too. In any case I've only suggested a minor change to add children to ways and how this could

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: No, it's a redesign of the whole system.  A system which wasn't made for per-lane routing information. It wasn't designed with relations either, but they now exist too. In any case I've only suggested a minor

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of localized maps (was: Problems with the Multilingual Country-List)

2009-08-30 Thread Claudius
Am 27.08.2009 18:08, Peter Körner: [3] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/ The Danish map[1] is simply a blank map at all zoom levels. What gives? [1] http://cassini.toolserver.org/tile-browse/browse-da.html It is just not yet rendered. The tiles will get in the render-queue as you

Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-30 Thread Pieren
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 4:56 PM, Craig Wallacecraig...@fastmail.fm wrote: And on a related note, it would be useful to have motor_vehicle in the presets for highway=track. It would save having to set both motorcar and motorcycle, as both are usually prohibited on most tracks around here. Not

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:45 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: No, it's a redesign of the whole system. A system which wasn't made for per-lane routing information. It wasn't designed with relations either, but they now exist too. In any

Re: [OSM-talk] Path in JOSM preset and motorcar=yes/designated

2009-08-30 Thread Ben Laenen
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/30 Christoph Eckert c...@christeck.de: If a car can use it, it's a track, not a path. +1 Anyway, I have removed motorcar from the list of options, as tagwatch does not show significant use (10 times motorcar=no in Europe). If the removal triggers some

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: And that's part of what's wrong with it.  You still haven't explained how to handle stop signs on bi-directional, one lane road.  You haven't explained how to handle lane-changes.  You require ways to be split every time the number of lanes changes (though I

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:51 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: And that's part of what's wrong with it. You still haven't explained how to handle stop signs on bi-directional, one lane road. You haven't explained how to handle

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: What happens when the road goes from four lanes to six?  Should this be recorded at every intersection which has a turning lane? I really need to stop feedint the trolls. Lanes only get tagged if they differ from the way to need it, the values of the way

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:22 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Right, and at an intersection which has a turning lane, there is a restriction on a per-lane basis. You can only turn left from the turning lane - you can only go straight (or

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but it'd be nice if you'd answer my questions about how to do all those things I asked about. I don't see a point in answering any more

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but it'd be nice if you'd answer my questions about how to do all those things I asked about. I don't see a point in answering any more of your questions to be honest, you seem to be trolling.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Right, and at an intersection which has a turning lane, there is a restriction on a per-lane basis.  You can only turn left from the turning lane - you can only go straight (or possibly right) from the other lanes.  So do you propose splitting the way at

Re: [OSM-talk] Rendering of localized maps

2009-08-30 Thread Peter Körner
Are the tiles of the localized maps re-rendered at all? I've finished adding persian country names to the OSM db last week already and the persian map still shows the state from when it was initially set up [2]. I think this question rather goes to Ævar Arnfjörð as he set up the localized

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:09 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: What happens when the road goes from four lanes to six? Should this be recorded at every intersection which has a turning lane? I really need to stop feedint the trolls. Lanes

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/31 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I guess we will have to agree to disagree, but it'd be nice if you'd answer my questions about how to do all those things I asked about. I

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Now I know you're being a troll, however if we used lanes instead of using ways you could easily tag that intersection you gave as an exception rather than the average case that I presented which is a lot more common.

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Lanes are ways. A way is a list of at least two nodes that describe a linear feature such as a street, or similar. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-de] Statistisches Landesamt Sachse n - Straßenlisten, Einwohner

2009-08-30 Thread André Riedel
Am 30. August 2009 10:20 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@rfc822.org: Vervielfältigen wollen wir ja gar nicht - auch nicht wirklich verbreiten ;) Und wenn wir das machen ist die Quellenangabe kein problem ... Wenn wir die andere liste (OSM) ergaenzen dann machen wir das anhand von Straßenschildern

[OSM-talk] GPS gadgets can get you jailed and fined

2009-08-30 Thread Laurence Penney
On a plane from Paris to Boston, a guy left a GPS gadget on his seat armrest when he went to the loo. (We've all done this, haven't we?) The passengers get scared, they tell the air hostesses, the plane is diverted, the guy's arrested, he spends days in jail and is fined US $32,000!

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Anthonyo...@inbox.org wrote: You want to have two completely different ways to tag stop signs?  What's your solution?  Stop signs are directional, whether they are lane based or not. +1 - I agree with Tobias and Anthony. John, I know you feel that solving the

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread JigPu
On Sunday, August 30, 2009, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Anthonyo...@inbox.org wrote: You want to have two completely different ways to tag stop signs?  What's your solution?  Stop signs are directional, whether they are lane based or not. +1 - I

[OSM-talk] Walking Papers was silently broken for a few days, but now it's fine.

2009-08-30 Thread Michal Migurski
Hi, I've just noticed that I broke the Walking Papers (http://walking-papers.org ) scan process with the new multi-language update, and one week's worth of new scans were not correctly handled. Sorry! I've fixed the problem (I had been relying on the existence of an Accept-Language request

[OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-08-30 Thread Thomas Wood
Hi list, Attention was drawn to the OSM user RR8 last night on IRC. It appears that they have been producing /apparently/ deconstructive edits at a high frequency since late Saturday evening (server time). Edits primarily are the reclassification of highways to a different level. This has occured

Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag lanes, not ways, was: Deprecating the use of Tag:highway=stop in favour of Key:stop

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
2009/8/31 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: +1 - I agree with Tobias and Anthony. John, I know you feel that solving the lane problem will solve the stop sign problem (indeed it might), but the stop sign problem *can be solved independently* (by indicating the direction or the junction to

[Talk-it] highway=residential

2009-08-30 Thread Giacomo Boschi
Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: IMHO solo lì dove ci sono dei abitazioni. Leggendo questo thread mi è venuto un dubbio: finora ho usato residential come qualcosa contrapposto a unclassified, cioè serve esclusivamente per muoversi all'interno di una zona e non per spostarsi tra zone

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Maurizio Daniele
Il giorno sab, 29/08/2009 alle 18.10 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Se passa la linea di cui sopra diventerebbe tassativo classificare le strade semplicemente riguardo la loro gerarchia nella rete ed indipendentemente dalle loro caratteristiche, lasciando una più approfondita

[Talk-it] dubbi su circonvallazione interna

2009-08-30 Thread Stefano Salvador
Ciao a tutti, sto mappando la città di Udine e ho un dubbio: ci sono una serie di vie importanti che girano attorno al centro storico e vengono usate come arterie principali della città. Come le devo classificare? tertiary, secondary, primary ? considerate che su almeno 1 lato la città non

Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 10:17, Giacomo Boschi ha scritto: le strade interne di un quartiere commerciale come si mappano allora? highway=unclassified -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a | | http://counter.li.org/ .''`. \_)__/ +---

Re: [Talk-it] dubbi su circonvallazione interna

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 11:38, Stefano Salvador ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, sto mappando la città di Udine e ho un dubbio: ci sono una serie di vie importanti che girano attorno al centro storico e vengono usate come arterie principali della città. Come le devo classificare? tertiary, secondary,

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 11:09, Maurizio Daniele ha scritto: Chi mi fa uno schemino del prima/dopo? ^^; Prima (sul wiki in inglese): stretta corrispondenza alla classificazione stabilita per legge in UK. Ogni strada in UK è già classificata per legge. Dopo (sul wiki inglese): si passa alla

Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
In seguito alla discussione di ieri, volevo modificare Map Features[1] così: Strade di accesso a zone residenziali --- Strade situate in zone residenziali (sì, mi avete convinto della sensatezza della cosa). Non so perché, però, quando vado in Map Features[1], risulto disconnesso, e quindi

Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 13:27, marcellobil...@gmail ha scritto: Prova a ripulire la cache e poi rifai il login e ricarica di nuovo la pagina... Già fatto, è la prima cosa che avevo pensato. Provato tra l'altro con 2 browser diversi. A te funziona? -- .' `. | Registered Linux User #443882 |a_a

Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential

2009-08-30 Thread marcellobil...@gmail
Prova a ripulire la cache e poi rifai il login e ricarica di nuovo la pagina... Non so perché, però, quando vado in Map Features[1], risulto disconnesso, e quindi non riesco ad effettuare la modifica. Qualcuno ha idea di quale sia il problema? [1]

Re: [Talk-it] dubbi su circonvallazione interna

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/30 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com: Il 30/08/2009 11:38, Stefano Salvador ha scritto: Ciao a tutti, sto mappando la città di Udine e ho un dubbio: ci sono una serie di vie importanti che girano attorno al centro storico e vengono usate come arterie principali della città.

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/30 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com: Il 30/08/2009 11:09, Maurizio Daniele ha scritto: Chi mi fa uno schemino del prima/dopo? ^^; non ci cambia molto (direi niente a precindere che risulta una definizione più chiara e raspecchiante di quello che già stiamo facendo). Devi

Re: [Talk-it] highway=residential

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 13:09, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto: In seguito alla discussione di ieri, volevo modificare Map Features[1] così: Strade di accesso a zone residenziali --- Strade situate in zone residenziali Fatto, in qualche modo ci sono riuscito: ho scoperto che in realtà è stato tutto

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Maurizio Daniele
Ok, ho capito, ma allora continueranno ad esserci discussioni su cosa è primary e cosa no. -- Maurizio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 17:37, Maurizio Daniele ha scritto: Ok, ho capito, ma allora continueranno ad esserci discussioni su cosa è primary e cosa no. Le discussioni (potenzialmente) ci sarebbero in ogni caso. Devo dire che ce ne sono sempre meno, segno che il wiki sta diventando sempre più chiaro

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Maurizio Daniele
Il giorno dom, 30/08/2009 alle 17.41 +0200, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto: Ok, ho capito, ma allora continueranno ad esserci discussioni su cosa è primary e cosa no. Le discussioni (potenzialmente) ci sarebbero in ogni caso. Devo dire che ce ne sono sempre meno, segno che il wiki sta

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 18:25, Maurizio Daniele ha scritto: Cosa che ho notato essere successa anche a Torino di recente, dove tutte le primary e secondary all'interno della città sono diventate tertiary anche se sono viali a 6 corsie (3 per senso di marcia) e sono formalmente parte di una strada

Re: [Talk-it] strade in citta` (era: [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway)

2009-08-30 Thread Alessandro Rubini
[sono nuovo, scusate le ingenuita`] Maurizio Daniele: Mah... non sono troppo d'accordo, come dimostra il recentissimo caso delle Strade statali in centro metropolitano a Roma. Cosa che ho notato essere successa anche a Torino di recente, dove tutte le primary e secondary all'interno della

[Talk-it] le strade di campagna

2009-08-30 Thread Alessandro Rubini
In questo periodo ho fatto molte stradine di campagna in bici, col gps acceso, e ho iniziato ad aggiungerle. In genere uso unclassified o tertiary se sono a due corsie e con un minimo di traffico. Oggi ho fatto mantova-pavia, e per me erano tutte unclassified a parte pochi tratti (ho tracciato

Re: [Talk-it] strade in citta` (era: [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway)

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 21:26, Alessandro Rubini ha scritto: Personalmente ho messo tutte tertiary quelle del centro di Pavia (in effetti qui c'e` la tangenziale quindi ha senso in ogni caso, secondo me). Ho sbagliato? Bah, non conosco quasi per niente Pavia, comunque è una città abbastanza piccola,

Re: [Talk-it] le strade di campagna

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Il 30/08/2009 21:53, Alessandro Rubini ha scritto: Ovviamente non mi permetterei mai di modificare dati su zone che non conosco bene o che non ho visto di recente, ma come ci si regola quando si trovano massiccie incoerenze? Correggi: non conosco i posti, ma le tue osservazioni me sembrano

[Talk-it] [Milano] Cerchia dei bastioni

2009-08-30 Thread Carlo Stemberger
Segnalo che, in linea con quanto iniziato a fare alcuni mesi fa (razionalizzazione della rete stradale milanese), ho iniziato a promuovere la cerchia dei bastioni a secondary. L'anello non è chiuso: non so se valga la pena di chiuderlo in qualche modo e come (è una zona di Milano che non

Re: [Talk-it] Relation per continuità tra due wa y

2009-08-30 Thread Gian Paolo
Ciao, Il giorno 22 agosto 2009 16.56, David Paleinod.pale...@gmail.com ha scritto: On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:06:38 +0200, Gian Paolo wrote: Ciao David, Ciao, La relazione route indica che i suoi membri compongono un percorso di qualche tipo. Una strada io la vedo anche come percorso... Ho

Re: [Talk-it] [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/30 Maurizio Daniele maurizio.dani...@gmail.com: Il giorno dom, 30/08/2009 alle 17.41 +0200, Carlo Stemberger ha scritto: Ok, ho capito, ma allora continueranno ad esserci discussioni su cosa è primary e cosa no. Le discussioni (potenzialmente) ci sarebbero in ogni caso. Devo dire

Re: [Talk-it] strade in citta` (era: [RFC] adjusting the main definition of Key:highway)

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/8/30 Carlo Stemberger carlo.stember...@gmail.com: Il 30/08/2009 21:26, Alessandro Rubini ha scritto: Personalmente ho messo tutte tertiary quelle del centro di Pavia (in effetti qui c'e` la tangenziale quindi ha senso in ogni caso, secondo me). Ho sbagliato? Bah, non conosco quasi per

Re: [talk-ph] more address info in Makati

2009-08-30 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
This data was actually collected before by Neil when he added the buildings. But he used addr:building instead of addr:housenumber of the Karlsruhe Schema. I just renamed the tags. Now the problem is, Mapnik, when it sees a building number, displays that instead of the building name. I think it

Re: [talk-ph] Palawan getting better

2009-08-30 Thread jeff fermo
:) thanks, west side of the city is almost done, east side nanaman next sunday. sir george let me know when you have plans visit puerto so we can prepare you with tamilok and chaolong m sarap. Regards, jeff --- On Wed, 8/26/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: From: George Tujan

[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-08-30 Thread maning sambale
-- Forwarded message -- From: Thomas Wood grand.edgemas...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 8:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries) To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi list, Attention was drawn to

Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal(assistance required in various countries)

2009-08-30 Thread maning sambale
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Marloue Pidormur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: I have the same experience with the contributor Anthony Balico he add many roads mostly big edits and these roads overlaps the existing roads. For instance this:

Re: [talk-au] Missing post code boundaries?

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
A quick look at the data and I can see why 2001-2005 is missing: 2001,SYDNEY,NSW,PO Boxes,GPO BOX CENTRE SYDNEY,203,N1 ,016,SYDNEY BOXES,Post Office Boxes 2002,WORLD SQUARE,NSW,PO Boxes,WORLD SQUARE,203,N1 ,015,SYDNEY STREETS,Post Office Boxes 2004,EASTERN SUBURBS MC,NSW,PO Boxes,EAST

Re: [talk-au] Missing post code boundaries?

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
AusPost also seems to treat some of the Unis as LVR, I'm not sure what that means. The full database download includes most sub-localities and Large Volume Recipient (LVR) postcodes. http://www1.auspost.com.au/priority/index.asp?area=featuresarticle_id=156issue_id=8 It looks like Aus Post

Re: [talk-au] Missing post code boundaries?

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
Including only areas AusPost considers 'Delivery Area' there is 2,623 postcodes, we have osm files for 2,507. The following is a list of postcode areas considered Delivery Area by AusPost, but we have no osm file for: 0829, 0846, 0853, 2308, 2309, 2398, 2649, 2661, 2678, 2769, 2899, 3063, 3237,

Re: [talk-au] Missing post code boundaries?

2009-08-30 Thread Liz
On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: 2661, 2678, 2769 I think that I can calculate these from local knowledge and asking some people ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Navit Update

2009-08-30 Thread John Smith
I seem to have overlooked the update script since rebuilding the server, I've manually run this and a new navit file is now available: http://map-data.bigtincan.com/data/Australia-20090831.navit.bin I've now setup a cronjob to do this automatically after lunch on Sundays.

Re: [Talk-de] Fischteiche

2009-08-30 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 30. August 2009 01:58 schrieb Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net: vermutlich ganz einfach, aber wie tagt Ihr Fischteiche? landuse=fishfarm landuse=fishpond Was spricht aus deiner Sicht zunächst gegen ein natural=water? Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Legende für teddy.typ

2009-08-30 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin Carsten, hast Du das mit einem speziellen Tool gemacht ??? Gruß Jan :-) Carsten Schwede schrieb: Hallo, ich habe mal eine Legende für mein typfile erstellt: http://openstreetmap.teddynetz.de/Legende_Teddy.typ.pdf ___ Talk-de mailing

[Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B- Plänen

2009-08-30 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! wenn wir von der Verwendung anderer Datenquellen sprechen, dann wird immer wieder von der Verwendbarkeit von Inhalten aus Veröffentlichungen der Verwaltungen gesprochen und das dazu unter anderem auch F-Pläne gehören (deren Inhalt zumindest - die Kartengrundlage ist wieder etwas

Re: [Talk-de] Legende für teddy.typ

2009-08-30 Thread Carsten Gerlach
Moin, Am Sonntag 30. August 2009 09:00:46 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin Carsten, hast Du das mit einem speziellen Tool gemacht ??? Die Eigenschaften sagen Openoffice.org 3.1 Calc. Grüße, Carsten (nein, ein anderer :-) -- Hier ist mein öffentlicher GPG-Schlüssel:

Re: [Talk-de] Legende für teddy.typ

2009-08-30 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Aber wie generiert - oder Handarbeit ?!?!?? Carsten Gerlach schrieb: Moin, Am Sonntag 30. August 2009 09:00:46 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Moin Carsten, hast Du das mit einem speziellen Tool gemacht ??? Die Eigenschaften sagen Openoffice.org 3.1 Calc. Grüße, Carsten (nein, ein anderer

Re: [Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B-P länen

2009-08-30 Thread Falk Zscheile
Am 30. August 2009 09:06 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: wenn wir von der Verwendung anderer Datenquellen sprechen, dann wird immer wieder von der Verwendbarkeit von Inhalten aus Veröffentlichungen der Verwaltungen gesprochen und das dazu unter anderem auch F-Pläne gehören (deren

Re: [Talk-de] Statistisches Landesamt Sachsen - Stra ßenlisten, Einwohner

2009-08-30 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 03:45:08PM +0200, André Riedel wrote: Subject: [Talk-de] Statistisches Landesamt Sachsen - Straßenlisten, Einwohner Hallo, Können die Straßenlisten vom Statistisches Landesamt Sachsen für unsere Überprüfungen verwendet werden? Können die in den Dokumente

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-30 Thread Ulf Möller
Garry schrieb: In der Regel gibt es da keine exakt definierte wie bei normalen Flugplätzen. Vielleicht kennst Du nur wild genutzte Wiesen - organisierte Modellflugplätze haben durchaus eine definierte Startbahn - Ist die in der Flugplatzgenehmigung festgelegt? Und wer z.B. neben der

[Talk-de] JOSM Kartenbilder

2009-08-30 Thread Marcus Koerner
Hallo Leute, suche nach einer Moeglichkeit die Bilder im JOSM Editor zu aendern oder neue hinzuzufuegen. Ich meine die kleinen Bilder die in der Karte angezeigt werden. (z.b. Amplen, Bushaltestellen usw.) Grund: wenn man Haltestellen nach dem OEPNV Schema erstellt werden diese nur als weises

Re: [Talk-de] Modellflugplatz

2009-08-30 Thread Garry
Ulf Möller schrieb: Garry schrieb: In der Regel gibt es da keine exakt definierte wie bei normalen Flugplätzen. Vielleicht kennst Du nur wild genutzte Wiesen - organisierte Modellflugplätze haben durchaus eine definierte Startbahn - Ist die in der Flugplatzgenehmigung

[Talk-de] Hardware: Erfahrung / Tipps / NaviFeatures Datenbank?

2009-08-30 Thread RalfGesellensetter
Liebe Liste, bislang verwende ich ein Motorola Linux-Handy (A780) zum Loggen und auch um mir mit BikeAtor OSM-Karten anzuzeigen. Leider ist das Display sehr klein und der Stromverbrauch hoch (Batterie!). Auch die Daten von coPilot (proprietäre Navi-Software) zu alt. Nun habe ich mir

Re: [Talk-de] Fischteiche

2009-08-30 Thread malenki
Falk Zscheile (falk.zsche...@googlemail.com)schrieb: Am 30. August 2009 01:58 schrieb Johann H. Addicks addi...@gmx.net: vermutlich ganz einfach, aber wie tagt Ihr Fischteiche? landuse=fishfarm landuse=fishpond Was spricht aus deiner Sicht zunächst gegen ein natural=water? Es ist mehr farm

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Kartenbilder

2009-08-30 Thread André Riedel
Am 30. August 2009 11:30 schrieb Marcus Koerner marcus.koer...@googlemail.com: Hallo Leute, suche nach einer Moeglichkeit die Bilder im JOSM Editor zu aendern oder neue hinzuzufuegen. Ich meine die kleinen Bilder die in der Karte angezeigt werden. (z.b. Amplen, Bushaltestellen usw.) Grund:

Re: [Talk-de] RambaZamba, RimpelPimpel...

2009-08-30 Thread Mirko Küster
Was läuft da eigentlich seit einigen Tagen mit diesem RambaZamba bzw. jetzt RimpelPimpel? Der knallt da irgendwelche sinnfreien Tags gleich an tausende Nodes und Ways auf dem ganzen Planeten und löscht sie dann wieder. Es reicht ja schon das dutzende Bots hier täglich kaum genau

Re: [Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B-Pl änen

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. August 2009 09:52 schrieb Falk Zscheile falk.zsche...@googlemail.com: Am 30. August 2009 09:06 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: wenn wir von der Verwendung anderer Datenquellen sprechen, dann wird immer wieder von der Verwendbarkeit von Inhalten aus Veröffentlichungen der

Re: [Talk-de] RambaZamba, RimpelPimpel...

2009-08-30 Thread Stephan Knauss
Mirko Küster wrote: Was läuft da eigentlich seit einigen Tagen mit diesem RambaZamba bzw. jetzt RimpelPimpel? Sieht eigentlich nach einem ganz normalen Edit-War aus. Einen User RambaZamba gibt es nicht. Es gäbe rambazamba. Oder meinst du diesen User:

Re: [Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B-P länen

2009-08-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am So, 30.08.2009, 09:52 schrieb Falk Zscheile: Der B-Plan genießt also keinen Urherberrechtsschutz. Das stimmt nur teilweise. Die *Planung*, die im B-Plan dargestellt wird, ist gemeinfrei. Nicht jedoch die verwendete Kartengrundlage. Das verhält sich analog zu Fotos, die in Amtsblättern

Re: [Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B-P länen

2009-08-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am So, 30.08.2009, 15:35 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: man sollte dabei allerdings immer im Hinterkopf behalten, dass es nicht nur Bestand ist, der wiedergegeben wird. Z.T. sind es auch Planungen / Absichtserklärungen, also bitte nicht nur blind kopieren. Der schriftliche Teil des F-Plans ist

Re: [Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B-Pl änen

2009-08-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 30. August 2009 16:12 schrieb Tobias Wendorff tobias.wendo...@uni-dortmund.de: Am So, 30.08.2009, 09:52 schrieb Falk Zscheile: Der B-Plan  genießt also keinen Urherberrechtsschutz. Das stimmt nur teilweise. Die *Planung*, die im B-Plan dargestellt wird, ist gemeinfrei. Nicht jedoch die

Re: [Talk-de] Wo steht das - Verwendbarkeit von F-/B-P länen

2009-08-30 Thread Tobias Wendorff
Am So, 30.08.2009, 16:18 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Solange die Planung nicht ohne die Kartengrundlage zu verstehen ist, muss doch auch diese in irgendeiner Weise weiterveröffentlicht werden dürfen, oder muss man dafür erst vor dem BVerfG. klagen? Da die Gemeinde in der Regel auch

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