Re: [OSM-talk] new proposals for k:shop

2009-09-20 Thread Mark Williams
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Roy Wallace wrote: Regarding search - ideally, I think the user should be able to say that they want to eat a t-bone steak in mood lighting for under $20 less than 30min drive away Whoa, that would be the killer app! Go out for cheap drinks with some

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on German TV

2009-09-20 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, wer-ist-roger juwelier-onl...@web.de wrote: Am Samstag 19 September 2009 schrieb Maarten Deen: I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks Co on the German TV  station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for wheelchairs.  Nice example of

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM on German TV

2009-09-20 Thread Maarten Deen
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 11:59 AM, wer-ist-roger juwelier-onl...@web.de wrote: Am Samstag 19 September 2009 schrieb Maarten Deen: I just saw an item on OSM in (a rerun) of Quarks Co on the German TV station WDR. It was about mapping the inner city of Bonn for

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Lennard
John Smith wrote: This is one reason to do these sorts of routes as relations instead of trying to cram lots of information into the way, you then should avoid overlapping shields if the rendering process is doing it's job. Relations hold a certain advantage in this case, but we have to

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl: Relations hold a certain advantage in this case, but we have to consider the non-relation variants as well. They end up in the DB more or less identical, it just means 2 queries or a join etc instead of a simpler query. Indeed, but I'm thinking ahead here, to

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Lennard
John Smith wrote: They end up in the DB more or less identical, it just means 2 queries or a join etc instead of a simpler query. Now you're just thinking of a single renderer and its way of processing the data. Did you take osmarender into account? How does it handle the road relation at

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl: John Smith wrote: They end up in the DB more or less identical, it just means 2 queries or a join etc instead of a simpler query. Now you're just thinking of a single renderer and its way of processing the data. Did you take osmarender into account? How

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:49 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: That's an editor issue. If the editor wants to display lanes in a single way as parallel ways, and let you edit them if need be, it can do that. It's also a DB/framework issue,

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: In most cases I don't think a relation is the only solution either.  I don't see it as an abuse, though.  It is clearly being used to show a relation Lanes aren't physically seperated so they shouldn't be split nor need a relation to show they are physically

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:10 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: In most cases I don't think a relation is the only solution either. I don't see it as an abuse, though. It is clearly being used to show a relation Lanes aren't physically

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:10 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: If it's a single physical section, ie a bridge with all the lanes physically connected then it should only be one way and we should be able to tag the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Yes they are.  If they weren't physically separated, people would be driving on top of each other.  If they weren't physically separated, they wouldn't be called multiple lanes - they'd be called one lane. Pretty sure I left an if out, if the lanes are on top

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/20 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Yes they are. If they weren't physically separated, people would be driving on top of each other. If they weren't physically separated, they wouldn't be called multiple lanes

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: So this is a single way? http://bikelaneblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/pulaski-bridge-walkway.jpg?w=324h=241 That's nutty. And abusing relations to do the same thing isn't? As long as you are free to change lanes, I disagree.  The maxheight of a way is

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:27 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: So this is a single way? http://bikelaneblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/pulaski-bridge-walkway.jpg?w=324h=241 That's nutty. And abusing relations to do the same thing

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Irrelevant.  I never said you had to use relations.  In fact, I said you don't. Others have suggested otherwise, to group ways that are on the same physical bridge. I wouldn't call the use of relations nutty, though. I was referring to a specific use case.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:57 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Fine. You can add maximum height along with maximum speed to your list of lane-specific data. I don't find it very important, but if you want to allow for this, without

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I'd love for you to be able to do it.  Come up with a way to do it that doesn't require rewriting all the editors, all the routing software, and combining multiple ways into single ways, and we can both be happy. So you are telling me that the editors, the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:39 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I'd love for you to be able to do it. Come up with a way to do it that doesn't require rewriting all the editors, all the routing software, and combining multiple ways into

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The middle way should be reversible based on time - I'm not sure if this is possible to do now or not. Proposed solution is of the format oneway:time{0:00-4:00;12:00-24:00} = yes and oneway:time{4:00-12:00} = -1.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I'm going to focus on the 8 traffic lanes.  The rest should be separate ways, if they are separate lanes (whether the 2 railway lines are 2 ways or 1 I really don't know or care), and if we care to bother mapping them correctly.  Currently, I'd represent the

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 12:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: That isn't tagging reality, the bridge doesn't have multiple ways You clearly define way differently than I do, and differently than the current definition. The bridge most certainly has multiple ways in OSM today.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: You clearly define way differently than I do, and differently than the current definition.  The bridge most certainly has multiple ways in OSM today. However that doesn't reflect reality and we should just accept that's just the way it is because that's how

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: You clearly define way differently than I do, and differently than the current definition. The bridge most certainly has multiple ways in OSM today. However that doesn't reflect

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: True.  But it is the best way to do it. Says who? But there are multiple ways in reality.  A way is a path of travel, not a piece of asphalt. Why is it? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But there are multiple ways in reality.  A way is a path of travel, not a piece of asphalt. If that's the case why are most ways a lane in each direction? Surely if what you are saying is true we should plot each direction as an individual way.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: True. But it is the best way to do it. Says who? Says the person who made the statement. But there are multiple ways in reality. A way is a path of travel, not a piece of

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: True.  But it is the best way to do it. Says who? Says the person who made the statement. That doesn't justify anything, using that logic I

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:24 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: But there are multiple ways in reality. A way is a path of travel, not a piece of asphalt. If that's the case why are most ways a lane in each direction? I'm not sure that is

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Not if you are free to cross the center line, for instance to make a left turn across oncoming traffic to turn into a driveway. I didn't know you can u-turn on most trunk roads legally so why aren't we showing those as 2 seperate ways? My justification was in

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Not if you are free to cross the center line, for instance to make a left turn across oncoming traffic to turn into a driveway. I didn't know you can u-turn on most trunk roads

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Using 2 separate ways implies that you can't U-turn, except in places where the two ways are connected. Then why aren't we using multiple ways to indicate this for all teritary, secondary, primary, trunk etc? Are you suggesting that we should never express

[OSM-talk] County-Boundary in Mapnik same as primary highway

2009-09-20 Thread Peter Herison
Hi Is this correct that boundary=administrative;border_type=county is rendert the same way as highway=primary? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.628756lon=-108.687472zoom=18layers=B000FTT ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 1:52 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Not if you are free to cross the center line, for instance to make a left turn across oncoming traffic to turn into

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I reread the question and realize I didn't answer it.  U-turn laws vary greatly by jurisdiction.  Here in Florida you are allowed to U-turn on any road which isn't separated by a barrier or painted median, unless it is unsafe to do so or doing so obstructs

Re: [OSM-talk] County-Boundary in Mapnik same as primary highway

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Peter Herison pheri...@web.de: Hi Is this correct that boundary=administrative;border_type=county is rendert the same way as highway=primary? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.628756lon=-108.687472zoom=18layers=B000FTT Usually country borders are indicated by admin_level=2

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: In general, the more important question than whether or not you can U-turn is whether or not you can cross the center line in order to make a left (right if you drive on the other

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Mapping ways should follow the legal paths of travel, not the existence or non-existence of concrete.  If concrete is the only form of legal barrier, then fine, concrete can determine how we map.  But if a painted median is Where do you draw the line over

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:39 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Mapping ways should follow the legal paths of travel, not the existence or non-existence of concrete. If concrete is the only form of legal barrier, then fine, concrete can

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: If you're allowed to cross it, for instance to make a turn, it should be represented as one way.  If you aren't, it shouldn't.  In Florida and I As I point out below, you can't turn depending on the centre line not being solid. Should we create multiple ways

Re: [OSM-talk] County-Boundary in Mapnik same as primary highway

2009-09-20 Thread Jon Burgess
On Sun, 2009-09-20 at 20:10 +0200, Peter Herison wrote: Hi Is this correct that boundary=administrative;border_type=county is rendert the same way as highway=primary? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.628756lon=-108.687472zoom=18layers=B000FTT That would be because way for Phillips

Re: [OSM-talk] County-Boundary in Mapnik same as primary highway

2009-09-20 Thread Peter Herison
John Smith wrote: 2009/9/21 Peter Herison pheri...@web.de: Is this correct that boundary=administrative;border_type=county is rendert the same way as highway=primary? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.628756lon=-108.687472zoom=18layers=B000FTT Usually country borders are indicated by

[OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Timothy C Litwiller
I didn't find a newbie list so I've been reading the wiki and this list for the last week. I've been working on streets in and around Wichita and Newton, Kansas for the last week, it seems there has been little done since the tiger data import, as most freeway(motorway) intersections also

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: If you're allowed to cross it, for instance to make a turn, it should be represented as one way. If you aren't, it shouldn't. In Florida and I As I point out below, you can't

Re: [OSM-talk] County-Boundary in Mapnik same as primary highway

2009-09-20 Thread William Gresham
One of the boundary ways had highway=primary on it. I'm resolving that now.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:45 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/20 Martijn van Oosterhout klep...@gmail.com: I suppose it would be possible to get osm2pgsql to assign columns based on country locations, if the relevant polygons were available in another table. Handling

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: I'm not talking about where passing is allowed, I'm talking about where turning is allowed. In any case, once again

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Jason Gerecke
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Even if there is a concrete barrier or other form of barrier that would prevent a car crossing? Why are bridges different? Usually because bridges narrow things to make it

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Timothy C Litwiller t...@litwiller.net wrote: I didn't find a newbie list so I've been reading the wiki and this list for the last week. Welcome, Tim. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies ;-) I don't know how busy that list is, so I signed up too.

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Because that's the primary purpose for which maps are created.  To inform us how to get from place to place. Be careful...big assumption. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:27 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: it simply isn't treated that way in all situation or each residential street would be 2 parallel ways, instead we use a single way to indication a pair of lanes, so which is it going to be do we need to split

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:09 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: If we are tagging lanes not ways then we need to do so en masse, not have 2 different systems that exists at present. First things first - 1) propose a way to tag lanes, 2) start using it in parallel to the current

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Timothy C Litwiller wrote: also - more questions about roads in a rural setting. we have dirt and/or sand or gravel roads every mile - I think I'll put surface=unpaved and surface=dirt, is there a preferred way to designate , like the UPS and Fedex men have maps, of

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Timothy C Litwiller
On 9/20/2009 3:52 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Timothy C Litwillert...@litwiller.net wrote: I didn't find a newbie list so I've been reading the wiki and this list for the last week. Welcome, Tim. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Peter Herison
Timothy C Litwiller schrieb: I didn't find a newbie list http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/newbies I've been disconnecting and making sure that the entrance and exit ramps match the yahoo image. and adding bridges to the appropriate way. Do not rely to much on Yahoo images. Sometimes

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Liz
On Mon, 21 Sep 2009, Anthony wrote: Because that's the primary purpose for which maps are created. To inform us how to get from place to place. No, a map is a statement about the world, and a person's view of that world. That's why I mentally marked up However that doesn't reflect reality

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 2:09 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Define physically separated. The road base finishes or there is a concreate barrier or other form of barrier that

[OSM-talk] New JOSM Address Interpolation plugin

2009-09-20 Thread Mike N.
I have written a new JOSM plugin that assists with Address Interpolation - it follows the newg Wiki instruction page for tagging address interpolation ways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/AddrInterpolation ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers inthe wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Mike N.
Lots of the streets have abbreviated types. OSM wants Road instead of Rd, and Avenue instead of Ave. That's tedious work though. Change them as you touch them, I guess. Re: Tiger in the US - in nearly all cases, I will change something that is signed as XYX rd to XYZ road, following

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Mike N.
I've been working on streets in and around Wichita and Newton, Kansas for the last week, it seems there has been little done since the tiger data import, as most freeway(motorway) intersections also connect directly to the crossing street. I've been disconnecting and making sure that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:04 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: While my patch works, I don't know if this is the best solution to the problem or not: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/attachment/ticket/1666/osm.xml-patch I have a similar local hack and decided not to pursue it. In

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Because that's the primary purpose for which maps are created. To inform us how to get from place to place. Be careful...big assumption. You're

Re: [OSM-talk] New JOSM Address Interpolation plugin

2009-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Mike N. wrote: I have written a new JOSM plugin that assists with Address Interpolation - it follows the newg Wiki instruction page for tagging address interpolation ways. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/AddrInterpolation There have been a lot of member encapsulation

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: In earlier discussions with Paul (cc:'d) we talked about using the network key to distinguish road networks that use shields[1].  We had agreed on using a : separator like US:I but I'm arguing against that now.  First we are not separating equal

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Okay, I looked up the law.  A double white continuous line is equivalent to our double double yellow line.  You may not pass across it, and you may not enter or leave the road across it (such as at a driveway).  So I would represent that as a dual

Re: [OSM-talk] Should Bridges be independent of their ways?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Anthony o...@inbox.org: If it doesn't affect any routing information, then we shouldn't, because it's a waste of time, but I don't mind if you do. It is a waste of time, I'm just trying to show that ways are treated differently depending on the type of way, which doesn't reflect

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Richard Weait
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: [ ... ] So I suggest we pattern on network=us_i for Interstates, us_us for US Routes, us_ny_ny for New York State Routes, us_ny_ny_co for New York county roads, etc.  These

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: They will tag it.  Absolutely they will tag it.  When Mapnik support for local shields is adopted on osm.org and announced on talk-US it will take less than 7 days for the US Interstate system to have shiny new shields from coast to coast.  I'll send

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: S and I are so lacking context as to approach line-noise. us_ny_ny_co even hints at the right answer, without reading the docs. On second thoughts, drop the network tag and just tag a file name: shield_file_name=us_ny_ny_co__interstate_shield.png

Re: [OSM-talk] New JOSM Address Interpolation plugin

2009-09-20 Thread Mike N.
Thanks I think I've got it fixed now - Eclipse was checking out updates into one directory, but building from another, so my current source was weeks old. The accessors will be a good thing in the future. Note to general users wishing to try it out; the plugin will now require running

Re: [OSM-talk] Newbie - questions I didn't find definate answers in the wiki or list archives

2009-09-20 Thread Timothy C Litwiller
Thanks everyone - I've learned some new things and I've found and joined the newbie list also now. It looks like I'll have plenty of local fixes to work on for a long time without even importing gps traces. There are a few places tho where I have gps traces of new street but I wanted to get

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/21 Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: [ ... ] So I suggest we pattern on network=us_i for Interstates, us_us for US Routes, us_ny_ny

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: you shouldn't use well established tags in the wrong way. us_ny_ny_co is not a  network name. the network is I, US, The US but is redundant, we just need to know what shield type, not where it is located since there is a country polygon

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 20 Sep 2009, at 20:20 , John Smith wrote: 2009/9/21 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: you shouldn't use well established tags in the wrong way. us_ny_ny_co is not a network name. the network is I, US, The US but is redundant, we just need to know what shield type, not

Re: [OSM-talk] Patch to render names from routes and custom highway shields on a per country basis

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: US is meant for US highway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Highways They uses signs with US printed on it. So the symbol needs the same which is different from US interstates where only a capital I is printed on the shield Sorry I thought you

[OSM-talk] get the way/node history in josm

2009-09-20 Thread maning sambale
possible? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ --

Re: [Talk-is] Beðni um aðstoð Fisfélagsins vi ð að taka loftmyndir af Höfuðborgarsvæð inu fyrir OpenStreetMap

2009-09-20 Thread Ágúst Guðmundsson
Fis mega ekki fljúga yfir höfuðborginni nema með sérstöku leyfi. Það gæti verið áhugi einhverra með önnur svæði en höfuðborgina sjálfa. Kveðja Ágúst -Original Message- From: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [mailto:ava...@gmail.com] Sent: 19. september 2009 17:42 To: Ágúst Guðmundsson; Arni

Re: [Talk-it] Rete sentieristica nazionale

2009-09-20 Thread Stefano Pedretti
2009/4/1 Stefano Pedretti stefano.pedre...@gmail.com: 2009/3/31 Stefano Pedretti stefano.pedre...@gmail.com Vi terrò aggiornati. pietro_le...@regione.lombardia.it bellesinigu...@tin.it Salve, seguo con interesse i progressi del progetto della rete sentieristica nazionale. Collaboro da

Re: [Talk-it] Telefono Low Cost per OSM

2009-09-20 Thread Michele Mordenti
Il 19 settembre 2009 09.04, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Buongiorno lista, vista la dipartita di un cellulare e un palmare in due mesi, devo acquistare un cellulare; la specifica principale è LOW COST (giusto per ribadire la mia genovesità :-) ) e NO FRILLS, che riceva il

Re: [Talk-it] Telefono Low Cost per OSM

2009-09-20 Thread Stefano Salvador
io uso un Nokia N70, è un modello vecchio e lento ma funziona bene, l'ho testato con TrekBuddy e GpsMid e devo dire che va bene. Ciao, Stefano Il 19 settembre 2009 09.04, ale_z...@libero.it ale_z...@libero.it ha scritto: Buongiorno lista, vista la dipartita di un cellulare e un palmare in

Re: [Talk-it] Telefono Low Cost per OSM

2009-09-20 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:52:35 +0200, Michele Mordenti wrote: Ha due piccoli difetti: 1) le applicazioni java non dialogano con il bluetooth Il mio Samsung (SGH D880) sì -- il trucco forse (che ho scoperto dopo ~1 mese di tentativi) è attivare manualmente il bluetooth prima di lanciare

Re: [Talk-it] Nomi famyard

2009-09-20 Thread Guido Piazzi
On ven, 2009-09-18 at 19:30 +0200, Ruggero wrote: Perché nello shapefile della ctr non ci sono i nomi della cascine, mentre sul wms della lombardia si? I nomi delle cascine si trovano nello strato Località significativa, non nello strato Cascina (anche i nomi dei boschi si trovano lì e non

[Talk-hr] zagreb

2009-09-20 Thread nixa
Odakle se Zagreb pojavio na karti? Vidim da je dosta toga ucrtano, ali lose. Ceste nisu spojene i tako, nema naziva ulica, ulice uopce ne prate gpx trackove nego su precrtane s neceg, a nije evidentirano iz cega. Dajte neki info. ___ Talk-hr mailing

Re: [talk-ph] OSM Non Profit Formation

2009-09-20 Thread maning sambale
Ok so we finally have all the incorporators and officers together. Eugene agreed to be President, and I will be Tres/Sec. So from everyone who agreed So Villar is the new President! :) joke to be an incorporator here I need the following information to proceed with the preparation of papers:

Re: [talk-ph] OSM Non Profit Formation

2009-09-20 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Ok so we finally have all the incorporators and officers together. Eugene agreed to be President, and I will be Tres/Sec. So from everyone who agreed So Villar is the new President! :) joke Akala mo! to

Re: [talk-ph] OSM Non Profit Formation

2009-09-20 Thread maning sambale
Hi, I created a wikipage for brainstorming what should the osm-ph local chapter do. I compiled some discussions we had in the list, please add more info. This is not a binding document which the planned osm-ph local chapter should adopt. But I hope others can add input and insights on how

[OSM-talk-nl] provinciegrenzen n.a.v. woonplaatsgrenzen Nijefurd

2009-09-20 Thread Theun
Hallo, Ik zag op Bestaande_geodata_hergebruiken_woonplaatsbesluitenhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bestaande_geodata_hergebruiken_woonplaatsbesluitendat er van meer gemeenten woonplaatsgrenzen beschikbaar waren dan in OSM zijn ingevoerd. Ik heb de afgelopen week de grenzen van Nijefurd

[OSM-talk-nl] OSM op Garmin vragen

2009-09-20 Thread Frank Fesevur
Hallo, Ik gebruik sinds enige tijd OSM van Lambertus op mijn Venture HC. Ik gebruik de MapSource installer van NL normal en af en toe van de routeable kaarten als ik naar het buitenland ga. Het werkt prima en ik heb er veel plezier van, met name tijdens het geocachen. Daarnaast gebruik ik ze ook

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] provinciegrenzen n.a.v. woonplaatsgrenzen Nijefurd

2009-09-20 Thread Lennard
Maarten Deen wrote: Voor een andere bron: het CBS heeft ook wijk en buurt grenzen [1]. Bij de bronvermelding staat: Publicatie van digitale geometrie is toegestaan, mits het CBS en de Topografische Dienst Kadaster als bronnen worden vermeld Is dat dan voor OSM beschikbaar? [1]

Re: [talk-au] Draft association rules + LC page

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
I'm wondering at this point in time if the Dept. of Fair Trading in NSW made it intentionally difficult to do your own association rules, they don't provide a .doc version of their model rules, just a pdf file. I'm doing up a google doc version of their file, let me know if you want edit rights

Re: [talk-au] post code boundaries

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
3971 is a similar size, and also hasn't been imported so it might pose similar problems. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] Brisbane Mapping Partys: October + Date Claim for November

2009-09-20 Thread David Dean
Brisbane mappers (and other interested parties), I have arranged two more OpenStreetMap meetups for October and November respectively. The October will be a social pub meet at the Breakfast Creek Hotel on Friday 9th October to try and get together to discuss boring mapping stuff and maybe

Re: [talk-au] Fixed map image for city wiki page?

2009-09-20 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. The issue is more one of how the current static image gets there. I can't see any tag in the page itself that would render it. The wiki has tags for static and slippy maps. The current image is only for the inner city and it is very out of date. - Ben. 2009/9/20 John Smith

Re: [talk-au] Slowly spreading the word - Scouts and OSM

2009-09-20 Thread Jason Stirk
Hi Jeff, That's awesome. As a Scout Leader myself, I'd be very interested to hear the kinds of things that you are getting your venturers to do. I've been thinking for a while about getting our troop involved in mapping some of the less popular walking tracks and trails in nearby national parks,

[talk-au] Australian osm.xml file

2009-09-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
John Smith, Is the Australian osm.xml (as in that rendered on BigTinCan) file readily available? If so where can it be downloaded from. -- Cheers Ross ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Fixed map image for city wiki page?

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com: Hi. The issue is more one of how the current static image gets there. I can't see any tag in the page itself that would render it. The wiki has tags for static and slippy maps. The current image is only for the inner city and it is very out of

Re: [talk-au] Australian osm.xml file

2009-09-20 Thread John Smith
2009/9/21 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: John Smith, Is the Australian osm.xml (as in that rendered on BigTinCan) file readily available? If so where can it be downloaded from. I can make it available, however it's not the best way to do things and there is a discussion on the dev list

Re: [Talk-de] VOTING / Abstimmung HIGHWAY Definition

2009-09-20 Thread Markus
Hallo Ulf, Vielen Menschen ist es wichtig, daß sie ein verlässliches Regelwerk bekommen, um ohne bei jedem Eintrag erstmal 15 Minuten drüber nachdenken zu müssen, welcher Tag denn wohl in Frage kommt. +1 Valide verständliche nachvollziehbare Doku ist hilfreich. Sie spart Zeit für das

Re: [Talk-de] Naturschutz- / Biosphärenreservat - Gese tze = gemeinfrei ?

2009-09-20 Thread Michael Buege
Zitat Jan Tappenbeck: Moin !!! Naturschutz- / Biosphärenreservat werden doch per Gesetz / Verordnung deklariert und definiert - damit müßten doch auch die Grenzen gemeinfrei sein oder ??? Dann hieße es nur noch irgendwie an die betreffende Datei zu gelangen ?!?!??! Moeglicherweise

Re: [Talk-de] Yournavigation Geocoding

2009-09-20 Thread hansdorfff
hallo, Was mich aber interessiert, ist die Frage, ob diese ganzen auf unsere PostgreSQL Datenbank ausgeführten Operationen die Laufzeit für das Finden der Straßennamen und den dazu passenden Koordinaten nicht sehr wären? Liegt es an der Geschwindigkeit bzw. dem Rechenaufwand, sodass sich

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