Re: [OSM-talk] How do I turn JOSM's tiger:reviewed=no highlight off?

2010-08-08 Thread Russ Nelson
Nathan Edgars II writes: If a way is tagged tiger:reviewed=no, JOSM puts a highlight behind it, and when you select it the red is a lot fatter. How do I disable this? Delete tiger:reviewed=no after you've reviewed a road. The highlight is supposed to be ugly and annoying, by way of

[OSM-talk] Tracing vs Import

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
For some time I've been looking for an easy way to import some OSM formatted data back into OSM. It's not that easy. This is what it takes at the moment: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/BMO So I'm now contemplating the much simpler path of rendering the data and then tracing. But before I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracing vs Import

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 August 2010 18:43, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm now contemplating the much simpler path of rendering the data and then tracing. But before I do that I really want to be sure that there isn't a better way of doing this. Does anyone have any suggestions? I think some people have

[OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or benefiting from data

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread john whelan
Probably if you live in an area with a fairly large number of mappers on the ground imports have less impact, reality is trying to map Canada from GPS traces is a bit unrealistic. I tend not to go for walks at minus thirty, or even minus twenty come to that. Cheerio John On 8 August 2010 05:38,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/8 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or benefiting from data imports would like to have them all ripped out and replaced with surveyed data. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I respect PD guys, but in overall, I start to grow to openly dislike their attitude. Could you cite who these alleged PD guys are, please? Thanks in advance. I'm getting increasingly exasperated with people projecting this big bogeyman (or strawman. A big man made

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I turn JOSM's tiger:reviewed=no highlight off?

2010-08-08 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Nathan Edgars II writes: If a way is tagged tiger:reviewed=no, JOSM puts a highlight behind it, and when you select it the red is a lot fatter. How do I disable this? Delete tiger:reviewed=no after you've reviewed a

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I respect PD guys, but in overall, I start to grow to openly dislike their attitude. Could you cite who these alleged PD guys are, please? Thanks in advance. I'm getting increasingly

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Richard Fairhurst
80n wrote: Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the LWG changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process? No, not in this case. The proposal is a subset of the powers currently available to OSMF, not a superset. It is the existing CT _minus_ the option

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/8 Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net: Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I respect PD guys, but in overall, I start to grow to openly dislike their attitude. Could you cite who these alleged PD guys are, please? Thanks in advance. Sorry, it wasn't meant PD supportive persons in OSM in

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 8 August 2010 13:25, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the LWG changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process?  There are already some 30,000 accounts that have signed up to CT 1.0, if the next batch agrees to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: 80n wrote: Isn't it going to present some complicated management problems if the LWG changes the contributor terms at this stage in the process? No, not in this case. The proposal is a subset of the powers

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 8 August 2010 13:25, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: What mandate does LWG have to change the contributor terms anyway?  Would they need to put it to a vote of OSMF members or would they need to follow the

[OSM-talk] New Routing Solution for OSM

2010-08-08 Thread Carsten Möller
Hey folks, I started an own Routing-Engine project. Sorry, it's only freeware and not OpenSource but it might be interesting for people who are looking for an inhouse solution. The focus is on car-routing. It also supports the pgRouting / PostGIS format. Regards, Carsten. Alias PIMapper

Re: [OSM-talk] New Routing Solution for OSM

2010-08-08 Thread Carsten Moeller
Ups! This is the address http://osm2po.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracing vs Import

2010-08-08 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 08:43, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm now contemplating the much simpler path of rendering the data and then tracing.  But before I do that I really want to be sure that there isn't a better way of doing this.  Does anyone have any suggestions? You could import it as

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: PD has nothing to do with it. Full stop. What's the difference between PD and DBCL? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
John Smith schrieb: For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html Don't fight his conclusion, but his if in that sentence: |If

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: John Smith schrieb: For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future:

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 August 2010 23:23, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Let's go what if and weigh the grand outcomes logically, not not fight over some people pointing out some details of some possible outcome. So those people that have been importing cc-by-sa go what if and conclude that most of their

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 August 2010 23:31, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Who's talking about changing the direction of OSM? There's no consensus for any change of direction that I'm aware of. Arguing that imports should not be allowed because there *might* be change in direction is very presumptuous. He wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: John Smith schrieb: For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future:

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, On 08/08/2010 11:38 AM, John Smith wrote: Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or benefiting from data imports would like to have them all ripped out and replaced with surveyed data. It's nothing to do with PD. It's that I'm sick and tired of hearing we cannot

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I don't see any reason for an outcry other than this might make the coastline less precise for a while. Chances are it is going to be fixed very quickly in areas with Yahoo imagery, and might retain some of the typical

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 00:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: It's nothing to do with PD. It's that I'm sick and tired of hearing we cannot go ahead with ODbL because someone in Australia imported some coastline. And I've tried to explain numerous times that it goes well beyond coastlines,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 00:39, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the license change make their own coastline, on the dev server. This can be done quickly, right? *Then* you can delete the import, and replace it with the one on the dev

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 00:59, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Australia 2 people per km^2 Sweden 21 people per km^2 Canada is ~3 people per km^2... Oh and most people in Canada live within 100km of the US border, and in

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/08/2010 04:39 PM, Anthony wrote: If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the license change make their own coastline, on the dev server. This can be done quickly, right? *Then* you can delete the import, and replace it with the one on the dev server. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 01:00, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: In fact, this is exactly what I said I would do - not delete the existing coastline, but replace it with a version that has a suitable license. For some reason John Smith does not seem to share our view that this is a reasonable

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 08/08/2010 04:39 PM, Anthony wrote: If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the license change make their own coastline, on the dev server.  This can be done quickly, right?  *Then*

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: John, On 08/08/2010 11:38 AM, John Smith wrote: Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or benefiting from data imports would like to have them all ripped out and replaced with surveyed data.

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/08/2010 05:13 PM, Anthony wrote: No, what I said is that you need to start from a blank map. If you want to create a map which isn't CC-BY-SA, you aren't allowed to use the CC-BY-SA map to do it. Depends on how exactly you use it. If you use the CC-BY-SA map to flag stuff that

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 08/08/2010 05:13 PM, Anthony wrote: No, what I said is that you need to start from a blank map.  If you want to create a map which isn't CC-BY-SA, you aren't allowed to use the CC-BY-SA map to do it. Depends

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracing vs Import

2010-08-08 Thread Michael Barabanov
Doesn't seem _that_ complicated. I guess it's a choice between using technology and doing manual labor (I know which one I would choose...). On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:43 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: For some time I've been looking for an easy way to import some OSM formatted data back into

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:15 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There's likely to be 20% data loss based on the feedback I'm getting. I can't imagine it'll be anywhere near that low. What percentage of contributors are even still active? Maybe 20% of active contributors will disagree with the

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith: On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Australia 2 people per km^2 Sweden 21 people per km^2 Canada is ~3 people per km^2... You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to most people) is also where the people are. Forests,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
2010/8/9 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: With enough (motivated) people we can take any data loss, and rebuild our database to be better within a short timeframe. It may sound arrogant, but if you look at it rationally, we could even compensate for mappers demotivated by any data loss

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
80n schrieb: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: And if we want to change the direction os OSM, [...] Who's talking about changing the direction of OSM? Hehe, another case of jumping on the conclusion, rather than the if. ;-) I should probably noted that I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tracing vs Import

2010-08-08 Thread Michael Barabanov
One alternative way for selecting only roads that aren't present in OSM would be RoadMatcher ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Geobase/NRN_-_OSM_Map_Feature ), though some programming will definitely be required, as the currently described process process takes .gml at the final stage. On Sun,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
John Smith schrieb: On 8 August 2010 23:23, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at wrote: Offending them doesn't help either. We are still ONE community in ONE He seems to be doing a good job of offending Australians and anyone else that has been involved with either importing or cleaning up imports in

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 08 August 2010 17:40:40 John Smith wrote: You've made a couple of big incorrect assumptions, firstly we have a big lack of contributors at present in Australia Which probably has the same cause as the lack of contributors in the Netherlands: Too many imports! -- m.v.g., Cartinus

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
Anthony schrieb: And I'm sure if you do it that way you'll be infringing on the copyright of the CC-BY-SA data. Gah, what are we? I thought we were an OPEN project that likes share-alike licensing, mostly without that the explicit terms of those licenses really matter. Only lawyers can

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Robert Kaiser
John Smith schrieb: You've made a couple of big incorrect assumptions, firstly we have a big lack of contributors at present in Australia Well, here in Austria, we lack contributors in areas where we had a (80% botched) import of some existing data, and the community is thriving in those

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Anthony schrieb: And I'm sure if you do it that way you'll be infringing on the copyright of the CC-BY-SA data. Gah, what are we? I thought we were an OPEN project that likes share-alike licensing, mostly without that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 01:57, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Which probably has the same cause as the lack of contributors in the Netherlands: Too many imports! No, too few people, and a VERY VERY big land area. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 02:03, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Well, here in Austria, we lack contributors in areas where we had a (80% botched) import of some existing data, and the community is thriving in those areas where we didn't have an import. Interesting, isn't it? The problem here isn't

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith: On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Australia 2 people per km^2 Sweden 21 people per km^2 Canada is ~3 people per km^2... You seem to forget that the most interesting Data

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 08 August 2010 18:20:01 John Smith wrote: On 9 August 2010 01:57, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Which probably has the same cause as the lack of contributors in the Netherlands: Too many imports! No, too few people, and a VERY VERY big land area. Wrong metric: As pointed out

Re: [OSM-talk] Languages, OSM, scripts and all that.

2010-08-08 Thread Peter Körner
Am 07.08.2010 10:09, schrieb Mitja Kleider: We actually do: http://toolserver.org/~osm/locale/ Working with overlays might lead to overlapping objects, though. That's not quite true, as the overlays respect the POIs position by rendering them in memory with opacity=0. It's about to discuss

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 02:38, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: Wrong metric: As pointed out before, the metric you want is contributors per number of inhabitants. It doesn't take as many manhours to map a desert as it takes to map downtown Melbourne. Nice stereotyping... but not everything

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Cartinus
On Sunday 08 August 2010 18:29:07 80n wrote: The following figures, from Nick Black, show a 1% drop in active contributors in one month.  This suggests that the size of the community may already have peaked.  Data loss will not improve this picture. On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Nick Black

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 08.08.2010 18:29, schrieb 80n: With enough (motivated) people we can take any data loss, and rebuild our database to be better within a short timeframe. Any data loss will be a serious morale blow. Just the talk of data loss is already having an impact. The point being

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 02:48, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: 2) The numbers say there is an _increase_ in the number of active mappers from 13,675 to 14,018. drop of 1% of users actively contributing 1% drop in active contributors What is the current projection of active contributors? An

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread 80n
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Sunday 08 August 2010 18:29:07 80n wrote: The following figures, from Nick Black, show a 1% drop in active contributors in one month. This suggests that the size of the community may already have peaked. Data loss

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 03:24, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 August 2010 02:48, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: 2) The numbers say there is an _increase_ in the number of active mappers from 13,675 to 14,018. drop of 1% of users actively contributing 1% drop in active

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
2010/8/9 80n 80n...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys, The % of users actively contributing to OSM each month has fallen from 5.7% in March 2010 (13,675 / 238,985) to 4.7% in June (297,041 / 14,018). Nick, how do you calculate the

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John F. Eldredge
John Smith is saying that the idea that there aren't many Australian contributors is incorrect. In other words, he is saying that there _are_ a lot of Australian contributors. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports... From

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 03:47, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: John Smith is saying that the idea that there aren't many Australian contributors is incorrect. In other words, he is saying that there _are_ a lot of Australian contributors. No, there is a distinct lack of contributors

[OSM-talk] Button order (was: Frederik declares war on data imports...)

2010-08-08 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 02:24:03PM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I'm a little surprised that there has been no flame^Wdiscussion about the order of the buttons yet, as the UI designers always observe that the defaults is always what 90% of users will choose. You started it… :P I thought

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Simon Ward
On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 10:39:43AM -0400, Anthony wrote: If the license change is important, why don't the people who want the license change make their own coastline, on the dev server. I want to be seeing coastlines as good as these:

[OSM-talk] Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?

2010-08-08 Thread Carsten Nielsen
Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4119119 I tried to remove the island from the multipolygon relations that had no other ways than this island but it seems not to make any difference. ablansinger / Carsten Nielsen

Re: [OSM-talk] Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 04:06, Carsten Nielsen list_re...@toensberg.dk wrote: Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ? I don't think natural=island renders., it should be natural=coastline or natural=land. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ?

2010-08-08 Thread Chris Hill
Carsten Nielsen wrote: Why is this island not rendered on mapnik and osmarender maps ? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4119119 You need to add a natural=coastline tag. Make sure the direction of the way is correct, land on the left. It will not render in Mapnik until the coastline

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/stats/data_stats.html 12,094 active users in the past month. How many in the past 6 months? Even if we assume 12,094 times 6 (which vastly overestimates things), and assume that 100% of

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 04:38, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: 12,094 active users in the past month. How many in the past 6 months? Even if we assume 12,094 times 6 (which vastly overestimates things), and assume that 100% of such users agree to relicensing (another overestimate), that still leaves

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Liz
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Therefore OSMF need not treat the two groups separately as long as it does not exert the future licence change option for the 30,000 'CT 1.0' signups. For OSMF not to treat them separately it cannot exert a future licence change option at all

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Liz
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: I don't see any reason for an outcry other than this might make the coastline less precise for a while. Chances are it is going to be fixed very quickly in areas with Yahoo imagery, and might retain some of the typical blockiness of the PGS import in

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I think that is considerably on the high side of things, since someone gave an estimate of total number of contributors at about 75k Good call. There are 5,404,188 changesets. Only 11,631 changesets are completely

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Liz
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Cartinus wrote: It doesn't take as many manhours to map a desert as it takes to map downtown Melbourne. Cartinus Please don't come up with this sort of nonsense Imports have increased our number of contributors, not decreased them. I have mapped, with my partner, a VERY

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Incidentally, I'd also guess the 30,000 'CT 1.0' signups is a similarly misleading figure. What's the UID of the first user to sign up under CT 1.0? Can I assume that any higher uids have likewise agreed to the contributor terms,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:20 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Incidentally, I'd also guess the 30,000 'CT 1.0' signups is a similarly misleading figure. What's the UID of the first user to sign up under CT 1.0?  Can I assume that

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread Erik Johansson
2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith: On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Australia 2 people per km^2 Sweden 21 people per km^2 Canada is ~3 people per km^2... You seem to forget that the most interesting Data (to

Re: [OSM-talk] How do I turn JOSM's tiger:reviewed=no highlight off?

2010-08-08 Thread Russ Nelson
Nathan Edgars II writes: On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 3:18 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Nathan Edgars II writes: If a way is tagged tiger:reviewed=no, JOSM puts a highlight behind it, and when you select it the red is a lot fatter. How do I disable this? Delete

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-08 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Thursday 05 August 2010 20:31:39 Malcolm Herring wrote: Bernhard, The * is a wild card for the light number. The Render Hint has one additional parameter, the suggested radius of the sector arc that will appear on the chart. All the previous items are to create the annotation. The

Re: [Talk-it] [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-08 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Sun, Aug 08, 2010 at 01:58:35AM +0200, Samuele Battarra wrote: di combinazioni di rimorchi che qui da noi non esistono. lhv invece non ho capito se fa riferimento a un caso particolare tra quelli sopra o se è semplicemente un camion ancora più grosso. E' una sigla che sta per longer and

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:56:22 +0200, Heiko Jacobs wrote: So this words don't satisfy me ... I'm searching something like traceless, virtual, very, really very abandoned, ... Does anybody has an idea? How about omitting the line entirely? If it's no longer part of the ground truth, why try

Re: [talk-ph] OpenStreetMap Philippines Inc. Update

2010-08-08 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Cool! Do we need a bank account? I'm guessing that if sponsors would sponsor in cash, then they will probably give a check. Also, we would need to give receipts if ever so we can all account for tax purposes. As for being an NGO. I know that there are some requirements for that. But what's the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-08-08 Thread Russ Nelson
Andy Allan writes: Never mind what Richard says, there's also some other points 1) You can't actually put anything into the public domain in most jurisdictions. The best you can do yourself is use a special license, such as CC0, which achieves similar results, but strictly isn't the same

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC writes: As in, why is the PD camp so loud here? First and foremost, because we believe that all the licensing kerfluffle will frighten people away from using the map. Because we all want a map that will actually be USED by the most people possible. Because we aren't afraid of forks

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 August 2010 17:03, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: copyright on it and claim it as their own. Because the ODbL and CC-By-SA impose a cost on the community. I mean, if we're going to get rid of contributors on purpose, then at least let's get rid of the people who think a reciprocal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Open Data Definition at OSCON

2010-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Russ, On 08/08/2010 06:34 AM, Russ Nelson wrote: Here are the questions we arrived at (thanks to Skud aka Kirrily Robert for taking notes): Good observations. Might be worth to discuss with folks at odc-disc...@lists.okfn.org as well. I'll forward your post there for people to be aware of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 08/08/2010 09:25 AM, John Smith wrote: On 8 August 2010 17:03, Russ Nelsonnel...@crynwr.com wrote: copyright on it and claim it as their own. Because the ODbL and CC-By-SA impose a cost on the community. I mean, if we're going to get rid of contributors on purpose, then at least

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Liz, On 08/08/2010 10:21 AM, Liz wrote: You are welcome to join a 48,000 km kayak trip to survey the Australian coastline. I'll completely replace it with the PD PGS shoreline if anyone ever again says we cannot do X because of the imported Australian shoreline. Honestly, I will. Bye

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 August 2010 18:30, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'll completely replace it with the PD PGS shoreline if anyone ever again says we cannot do X because of the imported Australian shoreline. I'm starting to think 80n was right, if you were really serious about wanting a PD fork

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread Liz
On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'll completely replace it with the PD PGS shoreline if anyone ever again says we cannot do X because of the imported Australian shoreline. The PGS shoreline has been removed because it isn't as accurate as the imported one.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
On 8 August 2010 18:43, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: I'll completely replace it with the PD PGS shoreline if anyone ever again says we cannot do X because of the imported Australian shoreline. The PGS shoreline has been removed because it isn't as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL / BY-SA

2010-08-08 Thread Josias Polchau
Why we need a SA for all merged Data? I understand ODbL like this: If you Merge some Data with OSM Data and create something (e.g. a map) from that you have to publish the merged data under ODbL(or compatible). so why we need that? With SA we intend that no one can fork OSM under a

[OSM-legal-talk] The use of OSM images in a promotional video

2010-08-08 Thread Elliot Sumner
Hi all - I'm doing an animation for a promotional corporate video, including an animated 3D model of Sydney, which I'd like to overlay with the OSM map of Sydney. Presumably this is ok as long as I include the appropriate accreditation in the credits - could someone please clarify for me? The

[talk-au] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
For anyone still fence sitting over the new contributor terms and the ODBL this is what you have to look forward to in the near future: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003908.html Basically those in favour of PD but not directly effected by or benefiting from data

[talk-au] Dislike the new wiki skin?

2010-08-08 Thread John Smith
For those of you that dislike the new wiki look, you can revert it by going to: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Preferences Click on 'Appearance', and then select 'MonoBook' and save... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Brisbane Openstreetmap Meetup Monday August 16th @ Grange Library

2010-08-08 Thread David Dean
Hi again everyone, Only one week to go until the next OSM meetup at Grange library. Please RSVP by this Friday (13th August) if you haven't done so already so I know how many drinks to buy. Details are in the email below. Happy mapping, and see you soon, - David On 2 August 2010 21:04, David

[Talk-br] Carregar pontos

2010-08-08 Thread geoinfor
Olá pessoal Sei que a lista é do OSM Brasil, mas como atualmente vivo em Luanda queria pedir uma forcinha. Tenho uns 650 Pontos de Interesse, de Angola, que atuamente estão em formato KML e queria inserir no OSM. Tenho a área toda ja no QGIS, evito usar o Editor online do OSM devido a

Re: [Talk-br] Carregar pontos

2010-08-08 Thread vitor
Olá Luiz, Antes de tudo, verifique se os dados estão de acordo com a licença do OpenStreetMap, que é a Creative Commons BY-SA. Se os pontos foram obtidos a partir de um mapa proprietário, como o Google Maps, não é possível fazer a importação. Se isto não for uma restrição, no link abaixo há

[Talk-de] Jakobsweg - Fehmarn-Lübeck

2010-08-08 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Moin ! ein großer Jakobsweg ist ausgeschildert worden - der Via Scandinavia von Fehmarn nach Lübeck. Vielleicht findet sich der eine oder andere im Rahmen seines Sommerurlaubs oder einer Sommertour an der Lübecker Bucht und erfaßt ein Teilstück mit. Die Wegebeschreibung ist unter [1] zu

Re: [Talk-de] ÖPNV: Haltestellen-Tagging

2010-08-08 Thread Stephan Wolff
Am 07.08.2010 22:03, schrieb Claudius: Inkompatibel sind die nicht. Du kannst für eine einfache Bushaltestelle einfach einfach? highway=bus_stop public_transport=stop_position bus=yes taggen. Warum braucht man drei Tags für eine Information? JOSM generiert für das H-Symbol nur

Re: [Talk-de] Problem bei PLZ

2010-08-08 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Hallo Norbert, Der OSMI nimmt es genau - gut so. In Wirklichkeit ist das Polygon nur geschlossen, wenn die Wege jeweils *an den Enden* miteinander verbunden sind und nicht mit einem inneren Punkt. Way 26131222 aufgeteilt und das überstehende Ende aus der Relation entfernt. Jetzt müsste es

Re: [Talk-de] Problem bei PLZ

2010-08-08 Thread Norbert Kück
Hallo, am 08.08.2010 10:42 schrieb Alexander Matheisen: Oh, da habe ich wohl etwas nachlässig gearbeitet... ;) Warst du derjenige, der das verbessert hat? Vielen Dank! Ja, ich bekenne. Gerne geschehen. In diese Falle bin ich mehrfach gestolpert. Sehr hilfreich zum Auffinden dieser

Re: [Talk-de] Problem bei PLZ

2010-08-08 Thread Alexander Matheisen
Hallo, In diese Falle bin ich mehrfach gestolpert. Sehr hilfreich zum Auffinden dieser überschüssigen Wegstücke ist die Reihenfolge-Anzeige (hat die Spalte einen Namen?) im JOSM-Relationseditor. Das Ding zeigt gnadenlos jede fehlende oder falsche Verbindung an - wenn man denn die Ways

Re: [Talk-de] ÖPNV: Haltestellen-Tagging

2010-08-08 Thread Thomas Reincke
Am 08.08.2010 10:32, schrieb Stephan Wolff: Möglicherweise liegt es an dem komplizierten Schema, dass die Erfassung der Buslinien (zumindest in SH) kaum vorankommt. Ich erzeuge Ist das Schema kompliziert oder sind die Linien kompliziert? Gerade in der Fläche ist es doch leider üblich, daß

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