Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Aun Johnsen
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: 2010/8/8 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: Am 08.08.2010 16:59, schrieb John Smith: On 9 August 2010 00:58, Erik Johansson e...@kth.se wrote: Australia 2 people per km^2 Sweden 21 people per km^2 Canada is ~3

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-09 Thread Aun Johnsen
PS These tags are documented in german only, what about those OSMers that doesn't understand german, are we forced to use google translate to ready tag descriptions? If it was documented in english at least more of us could understand it and maybe even contribute with translations into some of our

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-09 Thread Malcolm Herring
Aun Johnsen wrote: PS These tags are documented in german only, what about those OSMers that doesn't understand german, are we forced to use google translate to ready tag descriptions? If it was documented in english at least more of us could understand it and maybe even contribute with

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 08.08.2010 23:10, schrieb Liz: On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Cartinus wrote: It doesn't take as many manhours to map a desert as it takes to map downtown Melbourne. Cartinus Please don't come up with this sort of nonsense Well, a Desert usually has much less features than urban terrain, so I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-09 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Monday 09 August 2010 10:04:00 Aun Johnsen wrote: PS These tags are documented in german only, what about those OSMers that doesn't understand german, are we forced to use google translate to ready tag descriptions? If it was documented in english at least more of us could understand it and

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Dave F.
On 08/08/2010 22:10, Liz wrote: On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Cartinus wrote: It doesn't take as many manhours to map a desert as it takes to map downtown Melbourne. Cartinus Please don't come up with this sort of nonsense Ha, ha, ha. You do say the funniest things sometimes, Liz. But only

[OSM-talk] Registration For w3gconf Is Now Open (And Free)

2010-08-09 Thread Gary Gale
Supported by the UK's Association for Geographic Information, w3gconf is a free, one day conference, themed on the 3 W's of Geo. Large in scope but intimate in scale, w3gconf is targeted firmly at the geographic community at large, from the geographic professional, be they GIS or Web 2.0 to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 23:40, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: The government imports (some highways, schools, hospitals, boundaries, etc.) are an essential part of what we are doing here, and at least for us, the license change represents no problem. What about the new

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-09 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: You can associate an OpenID to an existing account. You can also switch your associated OpenID at any time (provided you are logged in) just like you can change your password. (The OpenID is never revealed to anyone other

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread john whelan
But strangely enough it is a lot more complicated to map remote areas such a desert than to map a city. Logistics for a start, I can catch a bus and map my city locally for an hour or two, the city bus just doesn't run to remote areas and there are a lot of remote areas in Canada. I have written

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-09 Thread Malcolm Herring
Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: Ok, we should be able to solve this problem ;) I started a translation: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lighthouse_Datamodel The German version now exists twice. I'm not sure how to cleanup this in the wiki yet without breaking some link dependencies. Beacons

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
John, That may be a problem, but my impression is that the point four solves it. Cheers On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 9:56 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 9 August 2010 23:40, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: The government imports (some highways, schools,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: Aun, +1 from Chile. The government imports (some highways, schools, hospitals, boundaries, etc.) are an essential part of what we are doing here, and at least for us, the license change represents no

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Robert Kaiser
John Smith schrieb: The problem here isn't imports, if anything the few imports we have had helped make the map less blank where fewer people map, which isn't the same thing as fewer people living. We have a number of reports here that people took a look, saw that there's nothing interesting

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Frederik Ramm schrieb: If you really consider your contributions to be in the public domain then good news for you: we do not require your agreeing to any contract. Did I miss something? On https://docs.google.com/View?id=dc3bxdhs_0cc77vdd9 I only read this three possibilities: [Agree button]

[OSM-talk] Bursaries available to Society of Cartographers conference

2010-08-09 Thread Steve Chilton
If you are a student or non-UK OSMer you might be interested in chance to gain a bursary to attend the Society of Cartographers conference next month (in the UK). Join the society (v small joining fee - get conf fees part paid). See message below:

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
George, If The contributor terms contain clauses that permit OSMF to do whatever they like with the content including change the license off course any non PD import will not be compatible at all. We will have to ask the agencies to agree with the Contributor Terms but if we are changing to a PD

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 04:10, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: If this is voted as a package I will obviously have to vote against the change (I do not want to see 7/8 of the Chilean highways disappearing from the map in one day, not to say many POIs that we were about to

[OSM-talk] We should recruit these ladies...

2010-08-09 Thread Mike N.
to become OSM mappers! http://www.greenvilleopenmap.info/Mappers00.jpg (Saw that in a magazine ad) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Marine taggine/OpenSeamap

2010-08-09 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Monday 09 August 2010 16:31:15 Malcolm Herring wrote: Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: Ok, we should be able to solve this problem ;) I started a translation: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lighthouse_Datamodel The German version now exists twice. I'm not sure how to cleanup this in

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: We will have to ask the agencies to agree with the Contributor Terms but if we are changing to a PD license disguised as BY-SA (via the CT) they probably will not cooperate. OSMF is not moving to a PD

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: And this is why Frederik wants to get rid of data imports, because it reduces the chances of getting a PD dataset by stealth or feature creep Maybe if you'd scale back your demagogy a bit. The subject you chose for this thread is offensive enough. Nothing here

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 05:46, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Maybe if you'd scale back your demagogy a bit. The subject you chose for this thread is offensive enough. Sorry if the truth hurts, but some of us are offended by the notion that something we find useful can be so easily and

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread john whelan
I honestly think the way forward is to continue as we are currently and set up a separate project which is pure PD. Extract anything that can be extracted from the current map, this can be done by selecting data which has been contributed by those who are happy with public domain licensing and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (Not) Removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: A common mantra is that copyright does not mean much unless exerted. Views? I'm not sure where you're getting that from. In any countries which have agreed to the Berne Convention, copyright is acquired automatically,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: OSMF is not moving to a PD license disguised as BY-SA Then why don't they ever talk about the fact that the contents are going to be released under DbCL? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: OSMF is not moving to a PD license disguised as BY-SA Then why don't they ever talk about the fact that the contents are going to be released under DbCL? Because it is irrelevant given that the

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 07:11, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Because it is irrelevant given that the Database as a whole is protected, rather than the individual pieces it contains which, as you correctly state, are largely unprotectable anway? Largely isn't completely, which means you

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, John Smith wrote: Because it is irrelevant given that the Database as a whole is protected, rather than the individual pieces it contains which, as you correctly state, are largely unprotectable anway? Largely isn't completely, which means you are suggesting that if there is any

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 07:25, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: they do. and it's in the contributor terms: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL 1.0 for the individual contents of the database. the database is attribution and share-alike. the contents, as facts, hold no copyright - so copyright

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 07:30, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think it has been repeated countless times already, and it is funny to see how both you and Anthony seem to ignore that. We're not ignoring anything, the problem is the content license explicitly removes copyright, which makes

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: OSMF is not moving to a PD license disguised as BY-SA, OSMF would like to move to ODbL. however, it has to be pointed out that CC BY-SA might be described as a PD license disguised as BY-SA, since many lawyers (including

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 07:25, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: they do. and it's in the contributor terms: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL 1.0 for the individual contents of the database. the database is

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: John and Liz in Australia say that CC-BY(-SA) works for geodata in Australia, meaning that facts can be copyrighted. Several Australian judges seem to think otherwise but let's assume it were so. Misquote John has pointed out twice that one legal

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: OSMF is not moving to a PD license disguised as BY-SA Then why don't they ever talk about the fact that the contents are going

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 07:25, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: they do. and it's in the contributor terms: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL 1.0

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 07:43, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: wouldn't you prefer to protect the *whole* database? That isn't the point, the point was about it *explicitly* removing any claim of copyright, which then makes it incompatible with BY and SA data sources.

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On 10 August 2010 07:25, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: they do. and it's in the contributor terms: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL 1.0 for the individual contents of the database. the One other thing. What is meant by the individual contents of the database. Is a changeset an

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: OSMF is not moving to a PD license disguised as BY-SA, OSMF would like to move to ODbL. however, it has to be pointed out that CC BY-SA

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:56 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 07:43, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: wouldn't you prefer to protect the *whole* database? That isn't the point, the point was about it *explicitly* removing any claim of copyright, which

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 08:02, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: that's currently awaiting legal advice. but if you can save us, and the lawyers, the trouble of giving advice, thanks! How many different lawyers have been asked, and do they all share the same opinions that we've been hearing?

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 07:25, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: they do. and it's

[OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap.js redistribution

2010-08-09 Thread arno
Hi, I'd like to include OpenStreetMap.js file in my website, whose sources are published under agpl: http://www.openstreetmap.org/openlayers/OpenStreetMap.js I really dislike the idea of using javascript hosted on another server, so I won't link to hosted version. Then, I'd like to known if I

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Can we get a collection of quotes from those lawyers that you say think otherwise?  Exact quotes of what they said? unfortunately not. apparently legal advice

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (Not) Removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Simon Ward
On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:29:36PM +0200, Michael Collinson wrote: A common mantra is that copyright does not mean much unless exerted. Views? Precedents? Well, you can steal my food, and if you’re careful I might not notice the odd loaf of bread go missing. I might notice, and attribute it to

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Fortunately most people seem to grasp the concept but I've here made an effort to present it, again, in simple terms to increase the number of those who do. Most people are actually pretty clueless about the details

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:30 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 07:25, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: they do. and it's in the contributor terms: ODbL 1.0 for the database and DbCL

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Ian Dees
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the cases you are probably familiar with involve simple lists of telephone numbers and subscribers. The moment you add even the slightest originality to a collection of facts then it become eligible for copyright. Can you

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Can we get a collection of quotes from those lawyers that you say think otherwise?  Exact quotes

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:05 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 August 2010 08:02, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: that's currently awaiting legal advice. but if you can save us, and the lawyers, the trouble of giving advice, thanks! How many different lawyers have

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Matt Amos
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, you really do need to read up on case law about the minimum threshold for copyrightability. i have. but perhaps you could point out the judgements you're referring to, because i've not seen them. cheers, matt

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:59 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: unfortunately, we will lose data this time around - it's unavoidable Data loss can easily be avoided. Just abandon your attempts to change the license. If you want an ODbL licensed project why not just start one?

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap.js redistribution

2010-08-09 Thread Tim McNamara
On 10 August 2010 10:10, arno a...@renevier.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to include OpenStreetMap.js file in my website, whose sources are published under agpl: http://www.openstreetmap.org/openlayers/OpenStreetMap.js I really dislike the idea of using javascript hosted on another server, so I

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap.js redistribution

2010-08-09 Thread Tom Hughes
On 10/08/10 00:21, Tim McNamara wrote: On 10 August 2010 10:10, arno a...@renevier.net mailto:a...@renevier.net wrote: Hi, I'd like to include OpenStreetMap.js file in my website, whose sources are published under agpl:

Re: [OSM-talk] We should recruit these ladies...

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Mike N. wrote: to become OSM mappers! http://www.greenvilleopenmap.info/Mappers00.jpg (Saw that in a magazine ad) not a joke at all http://www.toiletmap.gov.au/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Matt, you really do need to read up on case law about the minimum threshold for copyrightability. i have. but perhaps you could point out the judgements

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Can we get a collection of

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, SteveC wrote: Thus, it slows everything down. Oh and this and other threads going on right now are good examples. It's explicitly slowing down and complicating the process, which is probably the aim of several of the people here. I don't think it slows everything down,

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:43 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Most of the cases you are probably familiar with involve simple lists of telephone numbers and subscribers.  The moment you add even the slightest originality to a

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Liz
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Ian Dees wrote: Most of the cases you are probably familiar with involve simple lists of telephone numbers and subscribers. The moment you add even the slightest originality to a collection of facts then it become eligible for copyright. Can you give examples of

Re: [OSM-talk] Frederik declares war on data imports...

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Can you give examples of what you consider originality in the OSM database? Is a painting of a flower copyrightable? What about a tracing of a photograph of a flower? What if you just trace the outline of the flower? Is a

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: I don't think it slows everything down, just some things. My explicit aim is not to slow down nor complicate the process of licence change, but to pull it to a halt. It's good that you've aired that explicitly because it explains

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 11:38, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: At this point, the ODbL ship has sailed. There's no putting the toothpaste back in the tube, and there's no crying over spilled milk. There's not even any more time for metaphors, that fat lady has sung. If things are so fixed

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, Serge Wroclawski wrote: All of these are valid options. They also all have the attribute of being active- that is focusing on what's to come, instead of focusing on trying to change the past. Thankyou Serge for your opinions. I don't think any ship has sailed, or any

Re: [Talk-it] Navit on Windows CE

2010-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
Il 06 agosto 2010 20:39, Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com ha scritto:  Ciao, l'eseguibile dovrebbe essere lo stesso in tutti e due casi; può essere che il zip o l'exe è danneggiato. Io lo installo dal CAB (uso Windows Mobile 2003 SE su un Mio 168RS) e fino ad adesso non ho avuto dei

[Talk-it] Siti di interesse comunitario

2010-08-09 Thread Salemme Guido
Qui ci sono gli shapefile e jpeg dei siti di interesse comunitario!!! ftp://ftp.scn.minambiente.it/Cartografie/Natura2000/ Qualcuno sà che tipo di licenza hanno??? cioè se possono essere usati nel progetto openstreetmap?? Questi dati sono su un server del ministero dell'ambiente!!! ma i dati

Re: [Talk-it] Siti di interesse comunitario

2010-08-09 Thread Salemme Guido
è da ieri che cercavo quest'informazione e l'ho trovata proprio adesso!!! http://www.minambiente.it/opencms/opencms/menu/menu_attivita/RN2000_Schede_e_cartografie.html i dati sono di proprietà del ministero dell'ambiente è vietata la distribuzione , modifica e non possono essere usati per fini

Re: [Talk-it] Siti di interesse comunitario

2010-08-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 09 agosto 2010 10:55, Salemme Guido salemme.gu...@email.it ha scritto: ftp://ftp.scn.minambiente.it/Cartografie/Natura2000/ oh finalmente dei dati che sembrano fatti con furbizia...quelli scaricabili dalla eu hanno un db in access che con linux non riuscivo a convertire perchè andava tutto

Re: [Talk-it] Siti di interesse comunitario

2010-08-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 09 agosto 2010 11:02, Salemme Guido salemme.gu...@email.it ha scritto: è da ieri che cercavo quest'informazione e l'ho trovata proprio adesso!!! http://www.minambiente.it/opencms/opencms/menu/menu_attivita/RN2000_Schede_e_cartografie.html i dati sono di proprietà del ministero

[Talk-it] prepaid mobile internet access in Italy

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Buege
Buongiorno! My name is Michael and i am a mapper from Hamburg, Germany. I know that is a italian speaking list, but my italian is almost not existent. So, i am sorry for that, but if all running well, it will do my next topic in your language. ;-) My wife and i need holidays desperately and so

Re: [Talk-it] prepaid mobile internet access in Italy

2010-08-09 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 13:36, Michael Buege mich...@buegehome.de wrote: I am using a Huawei UMTS-Stick and a Eee-Pc with Ubuntu 10.04 connected with a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx. Hope you can help me, even my problem is a bit offtopic. I'm quite happy with my tre.it (three) sim. gives me 3GB for

Re: [Talk-it] prepaid mobile internet access in Italy

2010-08-09 Thread Stefano Tampieri
I'm quite happy with my tre.it (three) sim. gives me 3GB for 5euro/month. H3G (Three) has the throuble that if you are on Roaming with TIM, you are out of contract and pay extra. That offer I think that it is only for Phone traffic and not with Internet key [1] [1]

Re: [Talk-it] prepaid mobile internet access in Italy

2010-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2010/8/9 Michael Buege mich...@buegehome.de: I am using a Huawei UMTS-Stick and a Eee-Pc with Ubuntu 10.04 connected with a Garmin GPSmap 60CSx. My girlfriend is happy with her Vodafone internet plan. However, she has a mobile internet plan for her cell phone, while you're interested in PC

Re: [Talk-it] ERA: [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-09 Thread Stefano Tampieri
Tradotto http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Portal:Press http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Portal:Presse aggiornato TODO (non so se potevo) ciao Stefano Il giorno 09 agosto 2010 12:06, Francesco de Virgilio fradev...@gmail.comha scritto: On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 10:57:09PM +0200,

Re: [Talk-it] ERA: [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-09 Thread Luca Delucchi
Il 09 agosto 2010 17:37, Stefano Tampieri stefano.tampi...@gmail.com ha scritto: Tradotto http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Portal:Press e aggiornato TODO (non so se potevo) certo che puoi... anzi DEVI ;-) (anch'io l'ho fatto) ciao Stefano ciao Luca PS ma se aggiorniamo anche il TODO

Re: [Talk-it] ERA: [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-09 Thread Silvio
Il giorno lun, 09/08/2010 alle 12.06 +0200, Francesco de Virgilio ha scritto: Come promesso, in fondo alla pagina ho aggiunto una lista delle pagine che necessiterebbero di traduzione, almeno per avere una vista d'insieme. Le pagine selezionate abbracciano un pò tutto il Progetto, ed ho

Re: [Talk-it] Navit on Windows CE

2010-08-09 Thread Michael von Glasow
On 20:59, Simone Saviolo wrote: Il 06 agosto 2010 20:39, Michael von Glasowmich...@vonglasow.com ha scritto: Ciao, l'eseguibile dovrebbe essere lo stesso in tutti e due casi; può essere che il zip o l'exe è danneggiato. Io lo installo dal CAB (uso Windows Mobile 2003 SE su un Mio 168RS) e

Re: [Talk-it] ERA: [wiki] Nuove pagine in italiano!

2010-08-09 Thread Stefano Tampieri
A me non piace che sia diverso dall'originale, per me il layout deve essere sempre lo stesso in modo che uno capisca che è la stessa pagina e che parli delle stesse cose. Pensa anche a chi dovrà tradurlo nelle altre lingue, o metti che aggiungano delle cose nella parte inglese, per integrala con

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:59:53 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: For tagging the status of rail infrastructure there are in use: I usually think it's good to look at existing practice by others. On USGS maps, and in US legal usage: out of service: rails still exist, but no trains. shown as

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:31:53 +0200, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 28 July 2010 11:26, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Something like http://forum.openstreetmap.org Definitely. Forum is way better than a mailing list, a threaded forum is even better. [citation needed]. There's nothing a

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:03:59 +0200, Michał Borsuk wrote: Just a technical note, we'd need a server with some proper Forum-like software, so that posts like the one below could be pinned. Why not just update the wiki? Why needlessly complicate things with a forum?

[talk-ph] Nodes vs. Areas in the Garmin map

2010-08-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hi guys, I recently contacted a user who added a node for Santuario de San Antonio even though a polygon exists for it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/39724055 He said that the church wasn't showing up in the Garmin map and that's why he added that node. Anybody else having problems

[talk-ph] What happened to MEGADIKE road and connected roads?

2010-08-09 Thread Jun Martin
I stumbled upon a problem: Megadike road and Angeles-Porac road have been, er, cut: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=15.10021lon=120.55422zoom=15layers=M I wonder who did this? ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-ph] What happened to MEGADIKE road and connected roads?

2010-08-09 Thread maning sambale
Last editor before me was DY3JDR. Reverted now. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23937361/history On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Jun Martin jun.mar...@gmail.com wrote: I stumbled upon a problem:  Megadike road and Angeles-Porac road have been, er, cut:

Re: [talk-ph] Nodes vs. Areas in the Garmin map

2010-08-09 Thread maning sambale
The official garmin codes doesn't support polygons for amenity=place_of_worship. I'm still looking for a suitable code to recycle. On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I recently contacted a user who added a node for Santuario de San Antonio

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] The use of OSM images in a promotional video

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Collinson
Hi Elliot, For me, yes and yes but. I mapped most of central Sydney myself originally and am delighted. Your use clearly indicates two separate layers which the community says is OK, you don't need to share alike the 3D model ... though perhaps you can consider it? As for the credits,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Ed Avis
Anthony o...@... writes: There isn't a switch to ODbL.  Just a (not very practical IMHO) plan to do so at some point in the future, Did you see my addendum? I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing those derivatives under

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Anthony, Anthony wrote: I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing those derivatives under CC-BY-SA. In December last year we had a guy also called Anthony on legal-talk who said: I live in the United States, where

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Frederik Ramm frede...@... writes: By the way, the database right exists - in certain jurisdictions like the EU - even if it is not asserted. That means, OSMF is likely to hold database rights over the database even today. But

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: Anthony writes: I'm currently working on a fork. I'm still hopeful that people will find some compromise, and it won't be needed. (Myself I would be quite happy if the project chose a dual licence.) But if a fork proves necessary, I'll be happy to help. My impression

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony, Anthony wrote: I don't trust the OSMF to properly remove all of my work and derivatives of my work if/when they stop releasing those derivatives under CC-BY-SA. In December last year we had a guy also called

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 August 2010 23:11, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Alternatively, you could perhaps contribute to CommonMap (commonmap.info) who are not a fork of OSM but acknowledge OSM as inspiration and are not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Anthony writes: I'm currently working on a fork. I'm still hopeful that people will find some compromise, and it won't be needed. (Myself I would be quite happy if the project chose a dual

[OSM-legal-talk] (Not) Removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Michael Collinson
I have been away from the grand fray for several weeks due to personal matters and have been catching up with threads on this list. One question, I think from Liz, was who decided to remove data. That got me thinking as there was never any explicit decision point. Therefore I have a question

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] (Not) Removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 August 2010 01:29, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: they exert their original copyright and request us to do so? A common mantra is that copyright does not mean much unless exerted. Views? Precedents? This is a slippery slope, and it would give precedent to what ever comes next

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Heiko, Heiko Jacobs wrote: If you really consider your contributions to be in the public domain then good news for you: we do not require your agreeing to any contract. Did I miss something? On https://docs.google.com/View?id=dc3bxdhs_0cc77vdd9 I only read this three possibilities: [Agree

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If you really consider your contributions to be in the public domain then good news for you: we do not require your agreeing to any contract. No, I'll simply take his data and upload it under an account which I sign up

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread 80n
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:11 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Aug 9, 2010, at 7:14 AM, Anthony wrote: If that was you back then: Why should you request OSMF to properly remove all of your work when at the same time you have no problem with OSM using my contributions in any way

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sun, 8 Aug 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Imports are bad enough in the effect they have on the surveying community. You are welcome to join a 48,000 km kayak trip to survey the Australian coastline. However If there is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-09 Thread John Smith
2010/8/10 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: The Ideal would be PD/CC0, because that wouldn't limit us in so many ways. That's not true, it wouldn't limit what terms could be placed on end users of the data, it would increasingly limit what contributors can do.

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