Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed additional tags for bus stops and animport of San Fracisco data

2010-07-16 Thread Peter Miller
On 15 Jul 2010, at 11:21, Joe Hughes wrote: Peter, I think it would be helpful to look at GTFS data from a few diverse providers when testing ideas about imports, as data tends to reflect the historical practices of the particular agency in ways like naming patterns, which details are

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed additional tags for bus stops and animport of San Fracisco data

2010-07-16 Thread Peter Miller
On 15 Jul 2010, at 11:21, Joe Hughes wrote: Peter, I think it would be helpful to look at GTFS data from a few diverse providers when testing ideas about imports, as data tends to reflect the historical practices of the particular agency in ways like naming patterns, which details are

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposed additional tags for bus stops and animport of San Fracisco data

2010-07-16 Thread Roger Slevin
In NaPTAN each direction of travel must be modelled with a separate stop - so even though you may have a sign which says stops in both directions (but the sign is only on one side of the road) ... there are two NaPTAN records, one showing a marked stop, and the other an unmarked one (what we call

Re: [talk-ph] SOTM 2010 OSM-PH poster

2010-07-16 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Thanks! :-) On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:51 AM, Sorbi Ildefonso sorbi.ildefo...@gmail.comwrote: The poster looks really good! Great work sir! =) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:13:07PM +0100, 80n wrote: The correct way to make any significant and contentious change to a project is to fork it. How about we do the significant changes and anyone unhappy with them can fork it? That works too. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 05:46:02PM +1000, John Smith wrote: I don't really see the point of this question, since it's already more than obvious I'm bucking the trend... Ah, you already know you’re in a minority then, that’s why you’re so vocal… ;) Simon -- A complex system that works is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:53 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There's only one undeniable fact in this whole affair.  Exactly 100% of all contributors have signed up to CC-BY-SA and have indicated that they are willing to contribute their data under that license. Given that that has been the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM, TimSC mapp...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: The new contributor rights also waters down my effective veto rights to control future licenses. That's one of its great strengths - 150,000 people each with a veto is not a community, it's a recipe for nothing to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 12:26 AM, TimSC wrote: Not to mention the notes that accompanied the vote were unashamedly pro-ODbL, despite Creative Commons criticizing the ODbL. Science Commons's views on the ODbL are not shared by OKFN, who seem to have a better understanding of data law. (different

[OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread TimSC
/Andy Allan wrote: / On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:26 AM, TimSCmapping at sheerman-chase.org.uk http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk wrote: / The new contributor rights also waters down my effective // veto rights to control future licenses. / That's one of its great strengths -

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 09:49 AM, Anthony wrote: ODbL is a comparable licence to BY-SA, with the main change being that it has actually been written to cover data. That's not at all correct. The main change between BY-SA and ODbL is the requirement to release the database whenever you use the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Liz
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Rob Myers wrote: BY-SA does not protect the freedom to use OSM data in Australia. Trying to continue pretending that it does doesn't serve the interests of Australians. a complete untruth I see that you are based in UK so I'm not sure how you obtained such advice.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Kai Krueger
Rob Myers wrote: If we are allowed to arbitrarily redefine how votes should be counted then, as I say, only 6.05% of the total possible electorate voted against relicencing. There appear to be some indications that the LWG are at least considering a final vote amongst all active

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 10:25 AM, John Smith wrote: On 16 July 2010 18:35, Rob Myersr...@robmyers.org wrote: 48% for, 6% against, no clear majority... The largest single voting category is clearly the for vote. And within the cast votes the result is even clearer. I guess you misunderstand what

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Given that that has been the only option, that's hardly surprising. Everyone had two options:  1) agree to CC-BY-SA or 2) take your data to some other

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 10:28 AM, Liz wrote: On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Rob Myers wrote: BY-SA does not protect the freedom to use OSM data in Australia. Trying to continue pretending that it does doesn't serve the interests of Australians. a complete untruth Then I sincerely apologize. :-( - Rob.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Liz
On Fri, 16 Jul 2010, Rob Myers wrote: Has anyone asked the Australian or New Zealand governments how scared they would be of ODbL? This statement indicates your complete failure to understand political process. I'm not young, I'm white haired actually, and glib remarks like this don't

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 July 2010 19:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, this is ridiculous. Of course I've agreed to CC-BY-SA. The ODbL didn't even exist when I joined OSM - and you know that fine and well Etienne, you were there too when there was only 3 of us mapping in SW London. So it's a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:17 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2010 19:57, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, this is ridiculous. Of course I've agreed to CC-BY-SA. The ODbL didn't even exist when I joined OSM - and you know that fine and well Etienne, you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 July 2010 20:23, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: No, he was making the point that CC-BY-SA has 100% support amongst all the contributors, since we all agreed to it, and is using that to suggest that nobody wants to relicense and that anyone who does needs to fork the project.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread 80n
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:24 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Given that that has been the only option, that's hardly surprising. Everyone

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Frederik Ramm
John, John Smith wrote: You are correct, it's obvious that there is some people unhappy with the status quo. I wouldn't exactly say I am unhappy with the status quo. It's like living in a house where experts say it is going to fall apart any minute - you might like to be able to retain the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread 80n
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:28 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: On 16 July 2010 20:23, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: No, he was making the point that CC-BY-SA has 100% support amongst all the contributors, since we all agreed to it, and is using that to suggest that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 July 2010 20:39, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I wouldn't exactly say I am unhappy with the status quo. It's like living in a house where experts say it is going to fall apart any minute - you might like to be able to retain the status quo but it's not on the menu. The status

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread James Livingston
On 16/07/2010, at 6:35 PM, Rob Myers wrote: ODbL is a comparable licence to BY-SA, with the main change being that it has actually been written to cover data. If people don't relicence because they are afraid not enough people will relicence then that will be a bit of a self-fulfilling

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread James Livingston
On 16/07/2010, at 6:28 PM, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 11:53 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: There's only one undeniable fact in this whole affair. Exactly 100% of all contributors have signed up to CC-BY-SA and have indicated that they are willing to contribute their data under

[OSM-legal-talk] Compatible licenses

2010-07-16 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:01 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: * Currently you can import any data with a compatible licence (e.g. CC-BY-SA, CC-BY), you can't if we change without the copyright holder's permission This is a tremendous improvement in my opinion. I'd like to

[OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread TimSC
James Livingston wrote: / Although, as Simon Ward said Everyone has a say on whether their contributions can be licensed under the new license., I am uncomfortable with the ODbL process and I resent not being polled before the license change was decided. OSMF has gotten this far in the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Compatible licenses

2010-07-16 Thread Brian Quinion
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:01 AM, James Livingston li...@sunsetutopia.com wrote: * Currently you can import any data with a compatible licence (e.g. CC-BY-SA, CC-BY), you can't if we change without the copyright holder's

[OSM-legal-talk] Compatible licenses

2010-07-16 Thread TimSC
Brian Quinion wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Richard Weaitrichard at weait.com http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk wrote: / On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:01 AM, James Livingston // lists at sunsetutopia.com http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk wrote:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 01:01 PM, James Livingston wrote: On 16/07/2010, at 6:35 PM, Rob Myers wrote: ODbL is a comparable licence to BY-SA, with the main change being that it has actually been written to cover data. If people don't relicence because they are afraid not enough people will relicence

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 04:33 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org mailto:r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 10:05 AM, Anthony wrote: BY-SA almost certainly applies to the OSM database as a whole, even if it doesn't apply to some

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Rob Myers
On 07/16/2010 05:11 PM, Rob Myers wrote: Science Commons seem to think copyright doesn't apply to databases, In the US. OKFN seem to think it might. - Rob. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 04:33 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org mailto:r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 10:05 AM, Anthony wrote: BY-SA almost certainly applies to the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Francis Davey
On 16 July 2010 17:11, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: Science Commons seem to think copyright doesn't apply to databases, OKFN seem to think it might. I'm erring on the side of caution. If you can provide any clearer guidance I'd be very grateful. :-) You might want to read the Supreme

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I see you're talking about the US. So I'll provide a case for you. Key Publications, Inc. v. Chinatown Today Publishing Enterprises Inc. held that the yellow pages of the phone directory were copyrightable. Surely the OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: But there is quite a high threshold for protection since there is a requirement that databases so protected by reason of the selection or arrangement of their contents, constitute the author's own intellectual creation.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Francis Davey
On 16 July 2010 17:55, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: But there is quite a high threshold for protection since there is a requirement that databases so protected by reason of the selection or arrangement of their contents,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 08:14:46PM +1000, John Smith wrote: And that's where the fear comes in, just because you may have good intentions doesn't mean that it won't harm my goals. Did you think there would be no losers? The project can’t please everyone. If you care that much, why not

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:01:08PM +1000, James Livingston wrote: * It also uses contract law, which makes things a *lot* more complicated Despite my strong bias towards copyleft, I thought this was a problem with the license. Unfortunately people thought that because laws about rights to data

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 July 2010 02:44, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: In Australia, there was an important decision last year in the High Court involving TV schedules: http://www.copyright.org.au/news/news_items/cases-news/2009-cases/u29768/ I've been told that Telstra (white/yellow pages owner among

[OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Liz
Forwarded from talk because it might miss someone not on both lists -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive? Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010, 01:13:36 From: Roland Olbricht roland.olbri...@gmx.de To:

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 July 2010 04:07, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: Did you think there would be no losers? The project can’t please everyone. If you care that much, why not campaign with reasons against the license change, and encourage lots of OSMers to disagree with it. If you’re lucky you might

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upgrading to future ODbL version

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 July 2010 04:58, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Is that a desired safeguard against OKFN releasing bad new license versions, or is it an oversight? That clause most likely makes cc-by data incompatible, since a free and open license may not require attribution, regardless if you

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Roland Olbricht schrieb: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to the data. But this is the key need for those who are rather interested in the data than the legalese. I would say that the new licence might be good, beter than the old one BUT: I also interested MUCH MORE

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 07:08:07AM +1000, John Smith wrote: At this stage I'm against the process, not the new license, but of course you completely missed what my motivation is, which is making an informed determination if the loss is acceptable or not, if it isn't and ODBL still goes ahead

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upgrading to future ODbL version

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 08:58:31PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Notice the absence of any or later clause here. This means that if ODbL 1.1 comes out, it will not be usable out of the box, but we would have to go through the whole 2/3 of active members have to accept poll to upgrade. I don’t

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 07:07:19AM +1000, Liz wrote: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to the data. But this is the key need for those who are rather interested in the data than the legalese. Please develop the tool first or leave sufficient time to let develop

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Upgrading to future ODbL version

2010-07-16 Thread Simon Ward
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 01:36:09AM +0100, I wrote: Getting people to agree to a “we can change it even though you don’t agree because we have a 2/3 majority” is just a little bit sneaky in my opinion. The project needs to understand the consequences of a license change, this one or any future

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Diane Peters
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 04:33 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org mailto:r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 10:05 AM, Anthony wrote: BY-SA almost certainly applies to the

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-16 Thread MP
I don't share your pessimism. I've mapped maxspeed=* quite a bit. Compared to name=*, it's no harder to map, and it is of increasing importance. I think we'll get far more than 8% of road names tagged in the long-term future, and I think the same of maxspeed=*. Well ... maybe not - since

[OSM-talk] planet-100714 issue?

2010-07-16 Thread Nakor
Hello, It looks like there is no planet file for this week. Was there an export issue? Thanks, N. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] planet-100714 issue?

2010-07-16 Thread Grant Slater
On 16 July 2010 14:33, Nakor nakor@gmail.com wrote: It looks like there is no planet file for this week. Was there an export issue? Yes no planet file this week yet. The usual planet dump was stopped when we added additional storage yesterday. I've restarted the dump. ETA Sunday.

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Roland Olbricht
I've split this from the original thread before it derails the one it was in any further, and cc'd legal-talk. [...] What could we (you/me/LWG) do to make this more inclusive? Just some bullet points at first, explanation follows: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:18 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 09:49 AM, Anthony wrote: ODbL is a comparable licence to BY-SA, with the main change being that it has actually been written to cover data. That's not at all correct. The main change between BY-SA and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:19 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On 07/16/2010 10:05 AM, Anthony wrote: BY-SA almost certainly applies to the OSM database as a whole, even if it doesn't apply to some individual parts of the database. So you're wrong that this is an undeniable fact.

[OSM-talk] MapQuest Mapnik style available on GitHub

2010-07-16 Thread Antony Pegg
Hi All, As requested last week, the MapQuest Mapnik style is available on GitHub, at: http://github.com/MapQuest/MapQuest-Mapnik-Style Its under an MIT license Please note there are some changes in there since the conference already. We've been adding on working the boke and footpaths in, and

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-16 Thread Liz
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010, Rob Myers wrote: Science Commons seem to think copyright doesn't apply to databases, In the US. OKFN seem to think it might. After a recent High Court decision, in Australia copyright is not applicable to databases. Maps were not included in the Court decision,

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Heiko Jacobs
Roland Olbricht schrieb: - There is no tool yet to see the impact of the relicensing to the data. But this is the key need for those who are rather interested in the data than the legalese. I would say that the new licence might be good, beter than the old one BUT: I also interested MUCH MORE

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Heiko Jacobs-2 wrote: But I don't will accept any data loss because only of legal reasons. Wikipedia and other projects changed licence without any loss of data. Unfortunately Wikipedia took advantage of a loophole: contributors agreed to the current GFDL or any later version, and they

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-16 Thread Michael Barabanov
Consider two cases: 1. Current license does not cover the OSM data (I think that's the OSMF view). In this case, OSMF can just change to ODBL without asking anyone. 2. Current license does cover the OSM data. Then there's no need to change. Where's the issue? On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 5:55 PM,

Re: [OSM-talk] Shared nodes between non-routable objects?

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 July 2010 14:59, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: As John Smith has pointed out, actually finding out the real status of the boundary could be a lot of work, but it would be valuable. I also said no one wants to spend the time and effort on it.

[OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles per provincie?

2010-07-16 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Weet iemand of dat mogelijk is? Of kan iemand me naar de juiste tools wijzen? Ik heb een vraag uitstaan van Brabants Landschap die eigenlijk alleen Brabant nodig hebben. Groet, Floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles per provincie?

2010-07-16 Thread Roeland Douma
Floris, Wat moet er in de shapefiles? Groet, --Roeland On Friday 16 July 2010 09:45:12 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Weet iemand of dat mogelijk is? Of kan iemand me naar de juiste tools wijzen? Ik heb een vraag uitstaan van Brabants Landschap die eigenlijk alleen Brabant nodig hebben.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Shapefiles per provincie?

2010-07-16 Thread Roeland Douma
Alles wordt lastig. Enkel de fietspaden is geen probleem. Of enkel de wegen. Maar je kan niet punten en lijnen in 1 shape file hebben. Dus alles wordt sowieso al lastig. Een shape files met alle lijntjes met een highway=* tag moet wel te fixen zijn Groet, --Roeland On Friday 16 July 2010

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Omtaggen AND data

2010-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
2010/7/14 Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Enkele tijd terug heeft Lennard een kaartje naar deze lijst gestuurd met daarop het volgende voorstel. Het omtaggen van: highway=tertiary + AND:importance_level=5 + version=1 = highway=unclassified Hierbij was teven een visualisatie [1]. Deze

[OSM-talk-nl] postkantoor

2010-07-16 Thread Ronald
Ik heb een vraag over postkantoren. De situatie in Nederland verandert en de postkantoren verdwijnen. Daarvoor in de plaats komt dat bij gewone winkels een afdeling is waar men postzaken kan afhandelen (net zoals op het platteland van Canada en de V.S. Hoe mappen we dat? Ronald

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread Luke Woolley
No worries! The new coverage they have set out for Victoria including the Mornington Peninsula, Phillip Island, Ballarat and the Yarra Valley is great news for me! All they need to plan to fly now is Pakenham then i'll be happy! Oh wait, then the Latrobe Valley, then you all get the idea! On

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread Ben Kelley
While Nearmap for Tamworth and Armidale would be nice, surveyors have been hard at work in both. That said, having had a look at the new coverage in the Hunter Valley, there is a huge amount of detail you can get from Nearmap that would be practically impossible with surveying. - Ben. On 16

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread Ross Scanlon
On 16 July 2010 15:35, Babstar babsta...@gmail.com wrote: While we're on the requests, please an an extension from Mittagong west If we're on to requests :) How about some more of North Qld. I notice Mackay and Cairns are on the plan but what about areas in between, (Whitsunday's,

Re: [talk-au] Tasmanian coverage plan (was: Nearmap coverage plan)

2010-07-16 Thread Neal Schulz
I've known about TheList for years but am pretty certain that there is copyright issues stopping me from using it? Neal On 16/07/10 4:22 PM, John Smith wrote: On 16 July 2010 15:35, Neal Schulzneal.sch...@internode.on.net wrote: I'd like a bit more.. Tasmania has NONE :( I posted

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 July 2010 16:29, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: While Nearmap for Tamworth and Armidale would be nice, surveyors have been hard at work in both. Aerial imagery can do things like landuse, not just roads, which is a lot harder to get or even see from ground level...

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread Ben Last
If you want to make requests, http://forum.Nearmap.com/ :) Cheers b On Friday, July 16, 2010, Babstar babsta...@gmail.com wrote: While we're on the requests, please an an extension from Mittagong west south west to cover Bowral, Moss Vale, Exeter Bundanoon as well as the Hume Highway.  

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 July 2010 20:31, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: If you want to make requests, http://forum.Nearmap.com/ :) I did some time ago :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap coverage plan

2010-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Ben Kelley ben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: That said, having had a look at the new coverage in the Hunter Valley, there is a huge amount of detail you can get from Nearmap that would be practically impossible with surveying. I've also been finding the opposite.

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread Stephan Knauss
Hallo Thorsten, Thorsten Kunkel wrote: O.K., hab es hingekriegt. Den Wiki-Eintrag hab ich gleich mit verfeinert. Jetzt knöpf ich mir noch die anderen vor... ich hatte vor längerer Zeit das hier beschreieben: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Undoing_Deletions#Recover_deleted_Relations Es

Re: [Talk-de] Notrufsäulen A 20

2010-07-16 Thread Walter Nordmann
mehr infos als auf der website hab ich derzeit auch nicht. wichtig ist - für mich - nur, dass die nicht für die autobahnen zuständig sind aber der trend in richtung abbau geht. daher sollte man gelegendlich mal nachsehen, ob die dinger noch da sind. gruss walter - Ich bin root, ich darf

[Talk-de] openstreetmap.org - shortlink

2010-07-16 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
hi ! wollte gerade den shortlink nutzen - da wurde die url noch länger. kann mir einer sagen wie ich dennoch an diesen kommen - wäre schön für anfragen. gruß jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-de] Lizenzwechsel

2010-07-16 Thread Walter Nordmann
Frederik Ramm wrote: Du bist damit nicht allein - die Leute haben nicht Angst vor der neuen Lizenz, sondern Angst davor, dass zu viele andere Angst vor der neuen Lizenz haben koennten. hi, damit hast du aus meiner sicht das problem zielgenau getroffen! gruss walter - Ich bin

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread Walter Nordmann
sei mit bitte nicht böse, da schreibst du als muttersprachler deutsch wikis in englisch und bittest dann andere, diese ins deutsche zu übersetzen? erscheint mir irgendwie nicht so richtig sinnvoll ;( da können sich spielend fehler einschleichen, die dem autor nicht passieren würden. gruss

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread André Joost
Am 15.07.10 16:16, schrieb Thorsten Kunkel: Am 15.07.2010 14:31, schrieb Thorsten Kunkel: Ich hab mich an dieser Relation nach Anleitung http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relations#Gel.C3.B6schte_Relationen_wieder_herstellen versucht, JOSM will mir immer eine neue ID zuweisen, da das

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread Thorsten Kunkel
Am 16.07.2010 08:55, schrieb Stephan Knauss: Hallo Thorsten, Thorsten Kunkel wrote: O.K., hab es hingekriegt. Den Wiki-Eintrag hab ich gleich mit verfeinert. Jetzt knöpf ich mir noch die anderen vor... ich hatte vor längerer Zeit das hier beschreieben:

[Talk-de] Björn-Steiger-Stiftung - Status Rüc kbau und offen für eine Zusammenarbeit

2010-07-16 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 16.07.2010 08:58, schrieb Walter Nordmann: mehr infos als auf der website hab ich derzeit auch nicht. wichtig ist - für mich - nur, dass die nicht für die autobahnen zuständig sind aber der trend in richtung abbau geht. daher sollte man gelegendlich mal nachsehen, ob die dinger noch da

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread Thorsten Kunkel
Am 16.07.2010 09:10, schrieb André Joost: Am 15.07.10 16:16, schrieb Thorsten Kunkel: Am 15.07.2010 14:31, schrieb Thorsten Kunkel: Ich hab mich an dieser Relation nach Anleitung http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Relations#Gel.C3.B6schte_Relationen_wieder_herstellen versucht, JOSM will

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Stra ßennamen?

2010-07-16 Thread Bernd Wurst
Hallo. Am Donnerstag 15 Juli 2010, 22:02:50 schrieb Nils Faerber: 2. Straßenname mit als Attribut an das Haus. Finde ich super redundant. Dann steht der Straßenname-String (n+1) mal in der OSM Datenbank - eigentlich Blödsinn. Das ist aber state of the art, denn es hat sich in der Praxis

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread André Joost
Am 16.07.10 09:32, schrieb Thorsten Kunkel: Am 16.07.2010 09:10, schrieb André Joost: Wie hast du denn JOSM davon überzeugen können, keine neue ID aufzumachen? In dem Wiki-Artikel steht jetzt nicht wesentlich anderes als vorher und so, wie ich es bislang auch immer gemacht hatte. Den o.g.

Re: [Talk-de] openstreetmap.org - shortlink

2010-07-16 Thread Norbert Kück
Hallo, am 16.07.2010 08:58 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: wollte gerade den shortlink nutzen - da wurde die url noch länger. kann mir einer sagen wie ich dennoch an diesen kommen - wäre schön für anfragen. Ja, kann ich. Falls du es auch wissen willst: Maus auf Shortlink, Rechtklick, Linkadresse

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread Stephan Knauss
Walter Nordmann wrote: da schreibst du als muttersprachler deutsch wikis in englisch und bittest dann andere, diese ins deutsche zu übersetzen? ich vermute mal, das war eine Antwort auf meine Mail. Hätte ich vielleicht nicht so schnell löschen sollen, dann wäre der Bezug klarer. Ich

Re: [Talk-de] Björn-Steiger-Stiftung - Status Rüc kbau und offen für eine Zusammenarbeit

2010-07-16 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
jetzt noch die Deutsche Seite zu amenity=emergency_phone unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:amenity%3Demergency_phone gruß jan :-9 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Stra ßennamen?

2010-07-16 Thread Thomas Ineichen
Hallo steffterra, Aber unabhängig davon würde mich interessieren (nicht als Argumentation): - Unterstützt _derzeit_ z.B. Nominatim die Adressuche in Relationen? - Außerdem wäre es natürlich super, wenn auch der OSM-Inspektor um diese Variante 3 erweitert würde.

Re: [Talk-de] Gummiabloesung beim Garmin Etrex (Vista/Legend HCx)

2010-07-16 Thread Bernd Weigelt
Am Freitag, 16. Juli 2010, 01:15:16 schrieb Daniela Duerbeck: Und wenn es einmal labbrig geworden ist, dann wird's beim Ankleben eine Schnitzarbeit, Nein, nicht unbedingt. Bei meinem ersten Legend standen einige Millimeter ab, aber nach Einschmieren mit dem genannten Pattex schmiegte

Re: [Talk-de] Strategie zur korrekten Entfernung der alegria-Aktionen, war Vandalismus im Bereich WM/GAP (war: Problem mit den Editierungen eines anderen Benutzers im Bereich WM/GAP)

2010-07-16 Thread Thorsten Kunkel
Am 16.07.2010 09:40, schrieb André Joost: Am 16.07.10 09:32, schrieb Thorsten Kunkel: Am 16.07.2010 09:10, schrieb André Joost: Wie hast du denn JOSM davon überzeugen können, keine neue ID aufzumachen? In dem Wiki-Artikel steht jetzt nicht wesentlich anderes als vorher und so, wie ich es

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Straße nnamen?

2010-07-16 Thread malenki
Bernd Wurst schrieb: Btw, JOSM merkt sich alle eingegebenen Daten, wenn man also mehrere Hausnummern pro Straße eingibt, hat man keine zusätzliche Arbeit damit. Ich bevorzuge, für jede Straße die Adressnodes zu duplizieren und nur die Hausnummer hinzuzufügen/zu ändern. nur meine 2 byte ;)

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Straße nnamen?

2010-07-16 Thread Marcus Wolschon
2010/7/15 Nils Faerber nils.faer...@kernelconcepts.de: Ich habe dazu nun drei Varianten gefunden: Das ist korrekt. 1. Straßennamen nicht mit angeben - Algorithmen sollen bei einer Suche in der Nähe der Straße suchen. Das ist in wohl 90% der Fälle OK, schlägt aber bei Häusern an Straßenecken

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Stra ßennamen?

2010-07-16 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 15.07.2010 22:02, schrieb Nils Faerber: Wie mappe ich Hausnummern richtig? Zur Zeit verpasse ich jedem Haus seine Hausnummer, aber nicht den Straßennamen. Ich finde es mehr als redundant, jedem Haus den kompletten Namen mitzugeben. 2. Straßenname mit als Attribut an das Haus. Finde

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Stra ßennamen?

2010-07-16 Thread Andreas Neumann
Am 16.07.2010 06:36, schrieb steffterra: ist aus genanntem Grund schlecht: weiterer Grund: die _Adresseinformation_ eines Gebäudes besteht nicht nur aus der Hausnummer. Dieser Satz sollte Gesetz werden. Mir ist es egal, ob die Adresse via Relation oder via addr:*-Tag definiert wird, _aber_

Re: [Talk-de] Zum 1000. mal - Hausnummern und Stra ßennamen?

2010-07-16 Thread Bernd Wurst
Am Freitag 16 Juli 2010, 11:04:45 schrieb Andreas Neumann: Dagegen sind Angaben, wie Stadt oder Land nicht ganz so wichtig, wenn es eine funktionierenden Grenzrelation drumherum gibt... Wovon aber oft die Grenzen fehlen, sind die Viertel/Ortschaften einer Stadt! Das sollte man, wenn nötig,

Re: [Talk-de] Durchgehende Mittellinie

2010-07-16 Thread Georg Feddern
Moin, liegt es an der Hitze? Ihr stoßt eine Diskussion an, ob eine durchgezogenen Mittellinie allein durch ein Tag abgebildet und *routingmäßig*(!) ausgewertet werden kann oder ob dafür zwingend Relationen erforderlich sind. Und anschließend beruft Ihr Euch darauf, das es die relevanten,

Re: [Talk-de] Theresienwiese

2010-07-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 16. Juli 2010 07:48 schrieb Guenther Meyer d@sordidmusic.com: Wenn man sich die Beschreibung durchliest, dann passt das aber trotzddem recht gut... ;-) Wikipedia Seite zur Unterscheidung der Bedeutungen, nur 1 Satz: A village green is is an area of common land in a village. Das passt

Re: [Talk-de] openstreetmap.org - shortlink

2010-07-16 Thread Jan Tappenbeck
Am 16.07.2010 09:41, schrieb Norbert Kück: Hallo, am 16.07.2010 08:58 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: wollte gerade den shortlink nutzen - da wurde die url noch länger. kann mir einer sagen wie ich dennoch an diesen kommen - wäre schön für anfragen. Ja, kann ich. Falls du es auch wissen willst: Maus

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