Re: [OSM-talk] Marina discussion transcript (Was: Mapnik rendering of Marinas changed)

2010-04-18 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 20:56 +0200, Jonas Häggqvist wrote: On 17-04-2010 14:38, Patrick Kilian wrote: Hi all, Count me as a complainer... I was wondering about that blue dashed line too - it does not fit well with the surrounding estuary and open sea. I'm in the process of mapping a

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM composer not open source?

2010-05-01 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 18:34 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 1 May 2010 18:27, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Please don't get to personal here, it is not about my morals. It is about consistency and clarity. There isn't much I can do about the truth

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for comments: Playground Equipment Proposal

2010-06-02 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 07:06 +1000, Liz wrote: but anyway as voting just finished and it was not anounced on the list and the tag is not wide used, I would say we should set it back to proposed and wait for some response. What reason other your personal ignorance do you have for

Re: [OSM-talk] openstreetmap.org up

2010-06-15 Thread David Murn
Soon to be overloaded again, due to the backlog of traces and map changes from the last 24hrs. :) On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 17:44 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: OSM Talk, Website and API is now up and running again after earlier issues. Happy mapping. Thanks Grant OSM Sysadmin Team

Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming OSM Server Maintenance

2010-06-26 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-06-26 at 06:47 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: Hi Martin, The upgrade is to expand the DB storage RAID-10 array from 10x SAS disks to 16x SAS disks. We will be adding a 4 bay external JBOD exclosure with 4x ST3450857SS (450GB, 15K, SAS). Having just bought a new hard-drive, I found

Re: [OSM-talk] You have killed accessibility!

2010-07-01 Thread David Murn
Just wait til she finds out what her 'access' is like this weekend.. On a serious note, how many blind mappers do we have on OSM? On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 20:20 +0200, Lulu-Ann wrote: Since today the wiki can not be edited any more calculating plus or minus, now you have to be able to see a

Re: [OSM-talk] Changed highway=*_link meaning?!

2010-07-03 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-07-03 at 20:37 +1000, John Smith wrote: On 3 July 2010 20:35, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2010 11:18, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: As a few people pointed out, we always tag some things for the renderer, like

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 19:44 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How do you use speed limit tags when only 5% of the roads are

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 00:42 +, John F. Eldredge wrote: However, you can't be certain, without personally checking the street in question, whether the street really has no speed limit signs, or whether the person who added the street to the map simply failed to add the speed limit tag.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag name vs operator

2010-07-13 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 07:45 +0100, Lester Caine wrote: John Smith wrote: On 13 July 2010 06:59, Pierenpier...@gmail.com wrote: I would say the exact opposite. The tag 'name' is what you see on the facade. The (optional) tag 'operator' is the name of the chain but we should not suggest

Re: [OSM-talk] facebook geotagging photos on openstreetmap

2010-08-07 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:45 -0700, Sam Vekemans wrote: it seems that fb cant use googlemaps as they are arch-rivals . google tries to be its own facebook.. This is news to me, and obviously news to some fb developers who Ive seen using googlemaps in their apps. 'Cities Ive visited' comes

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 13:12 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: This is a complex topic in itself; some governments might say you can have the data, it is for noncommercial purposes only but you said you are noncommercial...? and then you have to explain that yes, we are noncommercial but the data

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-21 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-09-22 at 00:16 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Wont anything in writing have to be re-negotiated soon? No. If you get something in writing that says you can use this for OpenStreetMap then wherever OpenStreetMap goes, the data goes too. If we cant even convince a mapping group

Re: [OSM-talk] From the register

2010-10-18 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 19:30 -0400, john whelan wrote: Just a comment from a security point of view a message with just a link in it is often a link to Malware. The links have two parts a visible part and a nonvisible bit that takes you to a web site. If one looks doubtful the recommendation

Re: [OSM-talk] tile downloader

2010-10-20 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 17:35 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Anyone interested in the openstreetmap tile downloader 5.0 ? It is now available for only 29,95 $ http://www.bestsoftware4download.com/software/k-mapnik-t-free-easy-openstreetmap-downloader-download-cewueeck.html I always love how

Re: [OSM-talk] Amenity key

2010-10-22 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 07:55 +0200, Peter Körner wrote: Am 21.10.2010 23:29, schrieb Sean Horgan: The definition of such a tag/key that is so common the database (3+% according to taginfo: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/amenity), needs more than a single line definition. Do you have

Re: [OSM-talk] Amenity key

2010-10-22 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-10-22 at 19:06 +0200, Claudius wrote: Am 22.10.2010 18:28, David Murn: One way I heard it described, is an amenity is something youre likely to want to navigate to. While that description is a bit vague, it seems to fit most current applications of the key. Like amenity

Re: [OSM-talk] Amenity key

2010-10-23 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 13:09 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/10/22 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: If you were visiting someone in an out-of-state prison, it certainly would be somewhere one might want to navigate to, the same way you might want to navigate to an ATM, fuel station

Re: [OSM-talk] China unveils its own mapping service

2010-10-23 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-10-23 at 17:22 +, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: I think that it is probably safe to predict that the general public won't be able to update this map, at least not without government censors checking the proposed updates. Since the website is about giving out maps and data

Re: [OSM-talk] Google fumbles again in latin america

2010-11-07 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-11-06 at 22:58 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Apollinaris Schoell writes: I consider it improving osm by a human mapper according the spirit of the project instead a container full of imports with not much value. If a human surveys on ground or based on personal knowledge and

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap and Amateur Radio / Ham

2010-11-10 Thread David Murn
Just out of interest, what does this email have to do with OSM? Other than a link to an OSM map showing the location of this group, I see no other part of this email with any relevance to OSM, or even mapping of any sort. Was there meant to be more to this post? Is this group hosting mapping

Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Data in OSM database

2010-11-10 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 22:25 +0100, Laurence Penney wrote: For the record, I'm 100% against OSM becoming a place for general historical data ... Just out of interest, are you 100% against OSM keeping recent history data? If a building is demolished, do you believe that deleting the way should

Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Data in OSM database

2010-11-10 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 00:45 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, David Murn wrote: OSM, by its nature, is excellent for retaining historic data, for example if a road is realigned, you have a history that shows how it was realigned, or if a road changes name, there exists a history

Re: [OSM-talk] license change map

2010-11-11 Thread David Murn
From looking at a few different cities in this map, it is quite telling what areas support the licence and which areas will be devastated by the data loss. Compare for example: London city: http://osm.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/map/?zoom=13lat=51.49734lon=-0.12444layers=B0 Sydney city:

Re: [OSM-talk] importing excel sheets

2010-11-11 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 22:52 +0100, Mike Dupont wrote: Are the sheets with the gas stations from austraila imported yet? we can use that as the test data. Assuming you mean fuel stations, and not gas stations, then yes a lot have been imported. A lot of this information was released under

Re: [OSM-talk] license change map

2010-11-12 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 10:54 +, Ed Avis wrote: David Murn davey at incanberra.com.au writes: From looking at a few different cities in this map, it is quite telling what areas support the licence and which areas will be devastated by the data loss. Please. _Would_ be devastated

Re: [OSM-talk] New site about the license change

2010-11-15 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 18:06 -0500, john whelan wrote: The decisions have been made, so it's time to accept them or if you don't, to leave. Maybe I missed something, but when were the decisions made? Last I heard, people were still being asked for their opinion. Did I miss the announcement of

Re: [OSM-talk] New site about the license change

2010-11-16 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 14:18 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/11/16 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: Maybe I missed something, but when were the decisions made? back in 2008 Maybe thats the problem then. Ive been a mapper since 2007 but only actively involved in ths

Re: [OSM-talk] Steve Coast Joins Microsoft as Principle Architect of Bing Mobile

2010-11-23 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 08:13 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 12:06 -0500, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/openstreetmap-founder-steve-coast-joins-bing http://blog.stevecoast.com/im-working-at-microsoft-and-were-donating-ima I am a little confused - who

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-26 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 09:23 -0500, Gerald A wrote: Just a small point -- legal-talk is an open and publicly available list. I don't think suggesting and steering the discussion to the topical list is hiding. If there was a proposal to change the name to OpenMap instead of OpenStreetMap,

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-26 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-11-26 at 22:25 +, Ed Avis wrote: SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: Speaking personally about what large orgs and what they want, I think it's pretty simple. Have a look at commercial data and OSM and do a diff, what are the main things missing? Addressing for geocoding

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 15:30 +, Ed Avis wrote: Not all park land is walkable - some can be trees or bushes - so some extra tagging is needed. Another problem, is that you may not be able to traverse the park in all directions. It may have a fence with only a couple of access gates, or you

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 11:43 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 11:29 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 15:30 +, Ed Avis wrote: As a rough rule, leisure=park and landuse=grass could be considered walkable, unless tagged access=no or access

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 12:01 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: That's nonsense. A way does not show a right of passage. A particularly tagged way shows a right of passage. And a park is a particularly tagged way. No, a park *CAN BE* a particularly tagged way. Just like a road, if it isnt

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 19:14 -0500, Anthony wrote: That's nonsense. A way does not show a right of passage. A particularly tagged way shows a right of passage. And a park is a particularly tagged way. No, a park *CAN BE* a particularly tagged way. Can be? How can you represent

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-11-30 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 20:24 -0500, Anthony wrote: One day OSM will be able to route me from Linkwood Avenue to Pine Bay Drive through the park (http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.07187lon=-82.550402zoom=18layers=M), saving me 50 minutes of walking. Imagine if you tried to save 50min

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-01 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 00:00 -0500, Anthony wrote: Alternatively, I guess it wouldn't be horrible to add something like a highway=shortcut tag, so mappers could be explicit about it. If we've gotta add foot=permissive by hand anyway, it's not that much more work to add a few extra ways. I

Re: [OSM-talk] [josm-dev] Bing imagery now available in JOSM

2010-12-01 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2010-12-02 at 01:29 +0300, Upliner wrote: Imagery plugin which combines wmsplugin and slippymap plugin is now available. It's in experimental stage and there is some questions about future of these plugins, however tracing the Bing imagery with offset correction seems to work well.

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-04 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 00:00 -0500, Anthony wrote: Anyway, I looked around at a few places labelled leisure=park, and the usage is all over the place. I'd say based on that very unscientific sample that it's probably best for routers to use a default of access=unknown for leisure=park areas,

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 08:55 -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote: This should really be taking place on the legal list but nonetheless: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:09 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So, this is awkward. According to my profile, I've agreed to the new Contributor

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:15 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 06.12.2010 17:58, schrieb Serge Wroclawski: The LWG is part of the OSMF, and the OSMF is who runs this project. The LWG is part of the OSMF, and the OSMF is part of the ~3 people who runs this project :-) If the OSMF board

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:56 +, Dave F. wrote: - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love it if it cut directly across an area?? They don't have to *follow* the perimeter just use it to find the best exit then

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 21:18 +, Dave F. wrote: On 06/12/2010 21:06, David Murn wrote: On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 20:56 +, Dave F. wrote: - which, if all they know about is the perimeter, is probably a good thing. Eh? I thought you said you'd love it if it cut directly across

Re: [OSM-talk] routing across open spaces

2010-12-06 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:21 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 4:42 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: However, please understand that most of us use routing software, expecting it not to try and take shortcuts across unmapped areas. Who said anything about taking

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

2010-12-07 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 22:31 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: Failing that, would it be possible for you to create me a new account (stevage1), and unset the flag on that account? Failing that, maybe its time that more people

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 08:06 -0500, Antony Pegg wrote: Hi all, Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US http://open.MapQuest.com site Just out of interest, why did you choose to extract only the continental united states out of the entire worlds data that the project has?

Re: [OSM-talk] Massive import of airports

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:33 +0100, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen wrote: On 23000 nodes approximately 5 % were duplicate. Who of you will thank Blake for 95% new data ? None ! Ive seen a few thanks for the addition of the data, maybe you missed them, or only read emails

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
an unwritten rule that everyone complies with? David On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 5:12 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 08:06 -0500, Antony Pegg wrote: Hi all, Very very proud to announce that we have launched the US http://open.MapQuest.com site Just

Re: [OSM-talk] open.mapquest.com launched for the US

2010-12-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 20:14 -0500, Mike N. wrote: Ive also noticed while you have attiribution at the bottom, I cant find a permalink. Is (was?) it not a requirement of the licence to have a permalink on the map display, or is this just an unwritten rule that everyone complies with?

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-19 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 11:28 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: I cannot sign every edit I've ever done over, because I don't have the rights to do so. I can OK many of them, however, that were based purely on my own work, and not CC-BY-SA sources. I suspect this is a big issue. Pretty much any

Re: [OSM-talk] Objects versions ready for ODbL

2010-12-20 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-12-20 at 19:00 +1000, Stephen Hope wrote: On 20 December 2010 12:53, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Because of the impossibility to be able to distinguish whats what, any user who has ever made a change in this situation will have to have all their edits removed from

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM server on a (Ubuntu) VM?

2010-12-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 14:31 +, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Bear in mind though that many of us have to make do with VMs, for financial reasons. Not entirely sure what you mean by 'for financial reasons', but I agree in part. I do wonder though, if youre using a windows host simply for financial

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim US places

2011-01-01 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-01-01 at 23:34 -0500, Anthony wrote: This only gives one of the possibly many acceptable city names for a zip code (e.g. for 12205 it gives ROESSLEVILLE). A zip can have more than one acceptable city name. See http://zip4.usps.com/zip4/citytown_zip.jsp For geocoding, you

Re: [OSM-talk] CORINE land cover data

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn
Hi Ciprian, Was this positive response you received, in response to licensing their data under the previous OSM licence or the proposed new one? This is something to be mindful of if requesting permission from EEA, and continuing to use the data long-term. The issues with them changing their

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 09:14 -0800, Steve Coast wrote: I’m curious. So here’s a little survey, people like you take a second to answer it; Specifically I’m wondering if everyone has androids because we’re all open source nuts or if it’s more balanced? Only the data will show. I have an old

Re: [OSM-talk] What phones do OSMers have?

2011-01-03 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-01-03 at 21:52 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Being curious in return, why are you curious? Well, he does work for Microsoft... Explains the assumption that everyone has a latest and greatest brand name GPS-enabled

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-06 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-01-06 at 22:05 +0100, Michael Kugelmann wrote: On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: Results from my crude little survey; For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of phones sold. Except: the very low number of BB-Devices. I think also one bit missing is

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 10:18 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Let those broken routers choke on real-world cases where nodes really are in the same place (double-decker bridge that crosses a state line, for example). I'll continue to map correctly. Just because you have ways crossing each

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 12:00 -0800, SteveC wrote: That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? The article I posted gave figures (in both volume and $ sales) for per-quarter periods, compared with other quarters in 2010 and the previous year. Arguing with anonymous strangers

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 17:17 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: If the name or ref is different on either side of the state line, then it needs to be split in the middle. Thats fine, but does the state line need a node directly on-top of the road? Does the state line change as it crosses over

Re: [OSM-talk] Postmortem analysys

2011-01-08 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 20:27 -0500, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 8:25 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-08 at 17:17 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: If the name or ref is different on either side of the state line, then it needs to be split

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-01-10 at 19:47 +, Tom Hughes wrote: On 10/01/11 19:00, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: American usage would be to refer to that as a road, just not a very high-quality road. I take it that, in Britain, there are certain minimum standards for being called a road? Nothing

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 10:13 -0500, Anthony wrote: Sure, but if you read you will notice that I was specifically answering a question about what that would be called in the UK, not what it would be called in Australia. The more important question is what the tag means. Or is highway=road

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 23:01 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, David Murn wrote: Now, maybe Im off the mark here, but it sounds like that is *EXACTLY* the outcome we want when mass changing tags, We are not going to mass-change tags. 'we' being who? Are you speaking on behalf

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-01-11 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 20:39 -0500, Anthony wrote: So, while 'road' may mean a tarred bit of bitumen in the UK, and it means something passable by a vehicle in Australia, in the OSM context it means an unknown classification, temporarily tagged until the required re-survey is complete.

Re: [OSM-talk] Generating a street directory from OSM?

2011-01-17 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 13:00 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: Hi all, Wondered if anyone has ever put effort into producing a street directory from OSM data. What about either TownGuide[1] or MapOSMatic[2]? If theyre not exactly what youre looking for, they might be a good starting point. [1]

Re: [OSM-talk] (magical?) road detector

2011-02-05 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-02-05 at 21:47 -0500, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Ido Omer ido.o...@microsoft.com wrote: I am a researcher at Microsoft and I am currently working on the road detector. Hi Ido. The code to the road detector isn't at all open, is it? Unlikely. If it was,

Re: [OSM-talk] (magical?) road detector

2011-02-06 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 15:33 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Stephan Knauss wrote: Oh, I was tricked by the wiki page stating it's GPL... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch2 Wow. Who on earth added that? You mean, as author of potlatch, you dont have the potlatch wiki page on

Re: [OSM-talk] What the license change is going to do to the map

2011-02-09 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:30 -0500, Anthony wrote: In other words, that's just the impact from deleting the contributions of one user, who didn't even contribute that much. Multiply by tens of thousands to get the impact on the world map when the contributions of tens of thousands of

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license change is going to do to the map)

2011-02-11 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 09:12 -0500, Mike N wrote: On 2/10/2011 9:01 AM, Anthony wrote: Tracing aerials does not involve copying data. Tracing from Google's imagery not only violates their terms of usage, their spokespeople say that it's explicitly not allowed. There's nothing to

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:50 +0100, Maarten Deen wrote: I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company offering maps to use

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 19:52 +0100, Chris Browet wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 19:25, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: Busy implementing in Merkaartor A bug: you output osmchange while it is osmChange, with a capital C. see

Re: [OSM-talk] Spain needs OSM love

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 10:44 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Oscar Orbe oskaro...@yahoo.com wrote: hello list, here is a ranking of the cities/towns in Spain which need the most OSM love. click 4 times on the last column to see

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 03:22 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: I've been thinking about the 12nm territorial borders on sea that we have in many places, notably in Europe. Many of them seem to have been auto-generated by simply placing a buffer around the coastline. My first question is, do

Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?

2011-02-14 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 09:23 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: My assumption - and I'm not a boating person so I may be wrong - is that if you're out on a boat with any working kind of navigation, you will know where the coastline is, and therefore you will automatically know where the 12nm

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-14 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-14 at 16:26 -0500, Andrew Guertin wrote: I have a few buildings that are not simply at ground level, and I can't find how to map them on the wiki. First off, a skywalk between two buildings. Nothing fancy, although it does go over a road. As said before, use

Re: [OSM-talk] Power-user GPS app for Android?

2011-02-15 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 15:24 +0200, Nic Roets wrote: And for view the map I use the unreleased (still in development) version of Gosmore. Nic, Do you mean gosmore on android, or gosmore on CE? If you mean android, is there any ETA on when this might be released, or escape from your system? :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-15 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 01:52 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/16 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: -1, http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Layer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer our wiki is becoming something like the bible: you can find a page for every opinion ;-)

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 19:57 +1100, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:56:54 -0500 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Since giving long ground-level ways nonzero layers screws up every place they cross another way, it seems clear what should be done. -1 is used for

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 14:04 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: On 17 February 2011 12:21, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Ive fixed quite a number of spots where keepright has picked up a river and highway on the same layer (=0), generally without a junction node. i wonder what would

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-17 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 18:50 +0100, Pieren wrote: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:10 PM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Second, an underground building. Connects to other buildings that are at ground level and have basements

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: [Spam?]Re: Underground / hovering buildings

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:16 +0100, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/18 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: Because the use of (min_)levels,height is in use by 3D renderers and IMHO this min_level-part of the advanced building proposal is not working (is using wrong semantics), at least

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 16:59 +, Grant Slater wrote: The new java based XAPI is running and responding to test queries, but be warned it is still under active development. See: Am I missing something here...? People are complaining about how bogged down and slow the current service is, so

Re: [OSM-talk] Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-18 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 23:33 +0100, Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 18.02.2011 22:47, schrieb David Murn: If the service isnt designed to be portable (it only runs on one system currently, in the world), then who cares about java, What makes you think, that it only has to be running on one system

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 19:40 -0800, Daniel Sabo wrote: Maybe you don't like it, but you are not the entire OSM community. Yes, in this case someone overwritten what I presume was good surveyed data with an import was stupid. But in general the fact that data was gathered by a government

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?]Re: Why isn't any XAPI server available ?

2011-02-20 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 09:54 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: On 19 February 2011 12:06, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Your search - murn site:svn.openstreetmap.org - did not match any documents. i think this does not move us forward - david is as valued as anyone when making

Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports

2011-02-20 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-20 at 15:35 -0800, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I find tracing endless residential subdivisions from aerials to be a chore and no fun. I know many who disagree, fortunately. Last year I was laid up in bed for around 3 months after surgery, just after hi-res aerial imagery became

Re: [OSM-talk] all our addresses are belong to you

2011-03-02 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-02 at 13:54 -0700, flambe...@gmail.com wrote: There are currently three (3) main files - one for the United States, one for Canada and one for Europe. This is great, but the US is 300m, Canada 34m and Europe 700m. The world population is just under 6.8 million. Is there any

Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the week: Stationery

2011-03-03 Thread David Murn
I think this could even be extended to newsagencies too? Most newsagencies in Australia are often dominated by stationary supplies. David On Thu, 2011-03-03 at 08:16 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: This week, we suggest to put your eyes on the local stationery shops

Re: [OSM-talk] odbl

2011-03-06 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 03:45 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have

Re: [OSM-talk] Timeline for phase3 and so on. (Re: odbl)

2011-03-07 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-07 at 09:03 +, Ed Avis wrote: I would hope that this new state of play has changed the timetable a little bit. Has the OSMF board discussed the new Creative Commons offer? I believe the board (or possibly lwg) has discussed it before, as Im fairly sure Ive seen it in

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-11 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-11 at 12:34 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of

Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls

2011-03-12 Thread David Murn
On Sat, 2011-03-12 at 20:52 -0300, Diego Woitasen wrote: This is the matrix showing how the tolls are calculated: http://www.westlinkm7.com.au/cmsAdmin/uploads/Tollmatrix_Janto_Mar2011.pdf What do you think about something like: cost:car_2axle = $X

Re: [OSM-talk] A reliable process for handling OSM license violations

2011-03-21 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 14:01 +0100, Matthias Meißer wrote: Might be the legal talklist a better place to discuss this very specific topic? I guess there are more users that are familar with the process itself. This isnt a legalese issue. Well, as much as someone stealing your car is a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Spam?] the coastline

2011-03-21 Thread David Murn
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 10:45 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: the question becomes (in my mind): why do we have a single way mapped 'coastline'? this implies the boundary between land and water is static, but of course it moves - a number of times per day. The coastline is (as generally accepted on

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-23 Thread David Murn
On Wed, 2011-03-23 at 13:16 +0100, Pieren wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Exactly start an OSM Meetup group now? How to explain to them that if they make certain types of corrections, their work will be deleted? Are we forced to read

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-24 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 00:11 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Y'know, I'm not understanding something. People whinge about CC-By-SA not being free enough, and that OSM should be public domain. The proper response to them (which I think most people agree with) is: if you don't like the license, fork

Re: [OSM-talk] Licensing Working Group

2011-03-26 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-03-25 at 09:50 +, Grant Slater wrote: On 25 March 2011 05:49, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: The problem is, any fork under the existing licence can continue without problem. Any fork under the new licence, cannot use any data unless the user who contributed

Re: [OSM-talk] The Future of Areas

2011-03-28 Thread David Murn
Is there a reason why you decided to split this proposal into a different page for each section (with 2-3 paragraphs per page) instead of just one large page like most other parts of the wiki? Im upto the 4th page and still dont quite understand what you're proposing. David On Mon, 2011-03-28

Re: [OSM-talk] Okay, this is just cool (Lockport, NY)

2011-03-31 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-03-31 at 22:51 +0200, Tobias Knerr wrote: Oandrzej zaborowski wrote: For the record, in East Europe where Google Street View has no coverage, there's a an almost identical service provided by Norc.ro, who explicitly allow usage in OSM. There's a similar service in Germany:

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