Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-07-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:17 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: On 2014-07-19 23:29, Paul Johnson wrote: Likewise, I'm in favor of heirarchies similar to road relations for cyclists (ie, Portland area network=lcn becomes US:OR:Multnomah:Portland or US:OR:Metro

Re: [Talk-us] USBRS WikiProject seeks volunteer mappers

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Aah, sounds like the cycle_network proponents may have gotten overzealous, then; good catch. Could someone check history and contact mappers? On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 6:39 AM, Andy Allan a...@gravitystorm.co.uk wrote: On 20/07/14 18:29, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 2:17 AM

[Talk-us] OSM10B Tulsa

2014-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Tulsa's 10th anniversary party is being postponed, probably one or two weeks, due to venue unavailability. Code for America is helping organize this, and we had collective amnesia. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-us] OSM10B Tulsa

2014-08-10 Thread Paul Johnson
at 1:16 AM, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote: A decade of OSM deserves more than a single day of celebration anyway! ;-) On Aug 9, 2014 7:24 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Tulsa's 10th anniversary party is being postponed, probably one or two weeks, due

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 6:28 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Landing on the high plains desert in the west does not make a good case that OSM in the US is broken. Desert imagery cues do not match those of conventional climates. Those roads likely do exist, but are barely visible in

Re: [Talk-us] Abandoned railway

2014-08-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: NO! We would *still* classify them as tracks! Because there's no good reason to classify them as more major, given consistency. We're trying to * not* break the routers, after all. Yes, I realize that the vast

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-08-31 Thread Paul Johnson
). On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Russell Deffner russell.deff...@hotosm.org wrote: Well, the road your referring to sounds like a track, if it has no other significant use than a beautiful and adventurous way to travel

Re: [Talk-us] Dirt Roads (formerly: Abandoned railway)

2014-09-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Michael Patrick geodes...@gmail.com wrote: A road is a motor vehicle travel way over 50 inches wide, unless classified and managed as a trail. The II_ROAD_CORE table includes all of the nationally required data fields representing road characteristics Complete

[Talk-us] OSM-US tasking manager

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 5:38 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I was thinking that this import, once fully documented vetted, could be accomplished using the Tasking Manager run by the US Chapter. Would it be possible to create new tasks on this? Because I can think of a lot

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:27 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: Thus far I've only applied the maxspeed tag to roads with a posted speed limit. But here in California most residential roads are not posted, instead there is a state wide prima facie limit:

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if 15 mph in a school zone and 25 mph in a residential area are some sort of federal standard? The source tag might be useful but not much different than other states. Not as far as I'm aware. Oregon's

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Johnson
I should also add that in the US, it depends wildly on where you are. In Oregon, for example, all speed limits on all public roads, regardless of what government authority actually owns and operates the road, are set by the Oregon Department of Transportation, period. Yes, everything from a

Re: [Talk-us] OSM-US tasking manager

2014-09-13 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: A Task Manager approach is what I had in mind. It would be do able to place the data in small chunks on Tasking Manager for others to import. Biggest concern I have is making sure that the import was high quality.

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: maxspeed:source=* was a thinko (kind of like a typo but different part of the body). :) OK, probably, but it does sort nicely in JOSM. Either way, feel free to fix my mistagging on this...I've used maxpseed:source=* on a

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-15 Thread Paul Johnson
to it waving around everywhere, until it was time to return it; Don't Go Faster Than This unless you want to have somewhere between a Bad Time and Prison Time). On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:09 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com

Re: [Talk-us] Prima Facie Speed Limits

2014-09-16 Thread Paul Johnson
and school one of the cases described in this code (context). Would also be nice to document these here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed On Sep 13, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Is it maxspeed:source or source:maxspeed? Also, I'd rather see an explanation than

Re: [Talk-us] Speed limit sign tagging

2014-09-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Nate Wessel bike...@gmail.com wrote: I would not want to see signs placed as a point on the line except maybe on one-ways. How do other types of road signs indicate directionality? Has this already been effectively resolved? I don't actually think I've ever

Re: [Talk-us] Directional relation roles where signs disagree

2014-09-25 Thread Paul Johnson
With these split relations, ways should have forward/backwards, relations should have cardinal directions in a super relation. Gets to be a real pain in the ass when ways are using cardinal direction roles. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: At

Re: [Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Also sounds like M-3, M-10, etc should probably be tagged MI 3, MI 10... On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up, but there is a user going around and adding '-' to all the ref tags he modifies in Michigan. A

Re: [Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-26 Thread Paul Johnson
and way refs On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Also sounds like M-3, M-10, etc should probably be tagged MI 3, MI 10... On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:11 PM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Just thought I'd give you guys a heads up

Re: [Talk-us] User going around adding '-' to ref tags in Michigan

2014-09-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I did do a screenshot, showing rendering in the Seattle area based on route relations: https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap- carto/issues/596#issuecomment-57001666 This seems broken, especially places where

[Talk-us] tasks.openstreetmap.us

2014-09-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Who would I talk to about getting access to create tasks on this Task Manager? I'd like to help using it to get a solid baseline for completing at least a fully tiger-reviewed, route-relationed, lane-counted Oklahoma to start with, which should help everyday users navigate Oklahoma's often

Re: [Talk-us] tasks.openstreetmap.us

2014-09-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Aah, cool, thanks! On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 3:04 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Hey there Paul - This is you, right? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Paul%20Johnson I just made you admin on tasks.osm.us. Alex On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org

Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Yeah, umm...I realize I have a bit of a history on this subject that I'd rather not rehash in detail right now, but I'm going to have to concur that we should not go zero to vandalism accusations for what definitely seems well within a reasonable doubt of being a good faith newbie attempt gone

Re: [Talk-us] Vandalism

2014-10-09 Thread Paul Johnson
, Hans On Oct 9, 2014 1:12 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-10-09 at 02:44 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: Yeah, umm...I realize I have a bit of a history on this subject that I'd rather not rehash in detail right now, but I'm going to have to concur that we should not go

Re: [Talk-us] tasks.openstreetmap.us

2014-10-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Who would I talk to about getting access to create tasks on this Task Manager? I'd like to help using it to get a solid baseline for completing at least a fully tiger-reviewed, route-relationed, lane-counted Oklahoma

Re: [Talk-us] tasks.openstreetmap.us

2014-10-21 Thread Paul Johnson
and assistance are welcome. Thanks! Matt Toups On 09/27/2014 03:04 AM, Alex Barth wrote: Hey there Paul - This is you, right? https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Paul%20Johnson I just made you admin on tasks.osm.us. Alex On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org

Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle Routes

2014-10-27 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, just got back in from Watonga and I'm still rather dehydrated, exhausted, and think I got a bit of the post-convention blues and a touch of concrud from a week at Roman Nose State Park for Oklacon 12 http://www.oklacon.com/, which was an especially long drive this time due to a bridge out in

Re: [Talk-us] Rand McNally is using OSM

2014-11-22 Thread Paul Johnson
I've also seen OSM attributed in the legal disclaimer on printed Tulsa and Oklahoma highway maps. Next time I'm at QuikTrip I might see about photographing that if I can. Anybody know if Rand McNally is tithing us or just using our work? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Richard Welty

Re: [Talk-us] OSM topics at Kansas Linux Fest

2014-11-27 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm tentatively scheduled to work that day...could you narrow down the location in Kansas? On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Howdy, I am working on an free/libre open source software/open knowledge festival in Kansas on March 21-22 2015,

Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Throwing my hat into this one, I'm thinking the new style also reuses some of the old style tags and conventions. That said, since I'm not trying to automate a driverless bus fleet, I tend to only use the old style method. Coincidentally, this generally works out well for most situations and is

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
Well, I think a a huge difference between the Hollywood Sign and Mount Rushmore is Mount Rushmore is clearly a site dedicated to the monument. The Hollywood Sign, IIRC, is on public property left flat save for the sign, with no special status. Furthermore, the individual letters are obviously

Re: [Talk-us] Who controls data: Google Maps, others erasing Hollywood sign, but it's in OSM

2014-11-28 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm willing to argue both cases. Having a role=label relation may be useful where it may be otherwise ambiguous to properly form a cogent label. However, in the Hollywood sign's case, just rendering each letter as a label would be obvious to most people (albeit somewhat unusual) and helpful

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a seasonally closed roads with uncertain spring opening

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Kevin Broderick k...@kevinbroderick.com wrote: Having recently moved to Red Lodge, Montana, I'm trying to update some of the map data around here, as a lot of it is untouched TIGER data that seems to be fairly imaginative. Just south of town, US-212 is

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging a seasonally closed roads with uncertain spring opening

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 03.11.2014 um 16:03 schrieb Richard Weait rich...@weait.com: seems access=seasonal isn't in wide use but would be correct I think that this is not so nice tagging as it doesn't say anything about which

Re: [Talk-us] zip-city mappings

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
Also note that Census ZIPs are somewhat fluid, as are postal ZIPs, and postal ZIPs don't cover the entire country, and postal ZIPs are based on carrier routes and not an area. On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 11/9/14 3:10 PM, Nathan Mills wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Nov 9, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Shawn K. Quinn skqu...@rushpost.com wrote: So, a couple of questions: 1. What, exactly, is fair game to change to a state abbreviation reference? Fair game nationwide, two letter state abbreviations should be used for the primary state highway network. 2.

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
We have a similar convention in the US for doing that, though usually requires tagging traffic_sign=maxspeed, maxspeed=?? mph in a few places, since there's often multiple steps from rural speeds to town speeds when entering a town or city (Oklahoma sense; Oregon would call anything incorporated

Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
letter abbreviation and in states that don’t we should use that states standard for example Michigan uses M. The highway behind my house is M-15 and singed that way so I would think it should be tagged that way. Am I reading the Wiki wrong? Thanks Dave *From:* Paul Johnson [mailto:ba

Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-11-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Dave Mansfield mansfie...@chartermi.net wrote: Please forgive me I’m not trying to stir things up. I’m new to OSM and trying to learn and I don’t have any idea what the NE2 you refer to is. Glossing past this since it's extensively in the archives at this

Re: [Talk-us] New I.D Feature

2014-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Nov 8, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: On 2014-11-07 22:35, Greg Morgan wrote: In contrast to the addr:state debate that we are having, I always use addr:country key with the US value. The difference here is that addr:country is an agreed upon ISO

Re: [Talk-us] Palmer Motorsports Park...

2014-11-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Eeeh, that's not as far out as, say, Hallett http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/36.22111/-96.59435. Though you might want to fix all those SH and SR refs, can't even tell what state that's supposed to be in without asking Nominatim. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Hans De Kryger

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-11-30 4:09 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: We have a similar convention in the US for doing that, though usually requires tagging traffic_sign=maxspeed, maxspeed=?? mph in a few places, since

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-12-01 17:05 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: We just get crazy with it. The two signs below tend to be common in Oklahoma. Entering most towns you see a sign similar to this one: http

Re: [Talk-us] User randomly adding speed limits across the US

2014-12-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Entering most counties you get a sign that's printed in FlySpeck 3 font that reads: Unless otherwise posted speed limit 35 MPH on all

Re: [Talk-us] State highway refs (was Re: New I.D Feature)

2014-12-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Sounds like an analogous situation to the difference between State Highways and State Routes in Oregon. The shields always have the state route, the blade markers at bridges and some milemarkers list both the route and the highway. Not all state highways are members of state routes (since roads

[Talk-us] Nominatim address lookup

2014-12-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Is it just me or did Nominatim stop checking an external database for address lookups where in-DB addresses aren't available in the US? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Misspelled names

2014-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Mike Henson mikehen...@hotmail.com wrote: I have been trying to catch misspelled names of restaurants and fast food places. I then came across this wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Chain_Store_Cleanup#Misspelled_names What a life saver, after

Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport

2015-02-04 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: Generally, it is not feasible to use OSM as a dataset backing an official GTFS feed. This is because the probability of the GTFS dataset being uploaded to Google and thereby violating the license if the street centerlines or

Re: [Talk-us] Rail westerly

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Mike Henson mikehen...@hotmail.com wrote: Steve, I agree with Charlotte, In Oklahoma I am seeing a lot of different names on one rail road line like Charlotte is talking about. We need to figure out how we're going to map the new Eastern Flyer mass transit

Re: [Talk-us] Routing on Ferries

2015-02-02 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Natfoot natf...@gmail.com wrote: The inherent problem with ferry routes is that they have a schedule. Routers can't then tell their users how long it is going to take without that

Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport

2015-02-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Feb 5, 2015 5:30 AM, Mike N nice...@att.net wrote: On 2/4/2015 11:48 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Generally, it is not feasible to use OSM as a dataset backing an official GTFS feed. This is because the probability of the GTFS dataset being uploaded to Google and thereby

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

2015-02-03 Thread Paul Johnson
What's the correct tag for unit number, anyway? This is driving me insane since it's making it impossible to complete mapping the caravan site I live in to a level of completeness that you can navigate by without trying to find the unit numbers (which, stupidly, are all on the utility pedestals

Re: [Talk-us] Updating tagging of public transport

2015-02-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Is the new style backwards compatible with the old style? Especially in regards to potentially having OSM as being the dataset for the official GTFS feed in an area where the official data presently sucks, it'd be a travesty if the new style makes going to and from GTFS *more* difficult for

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging addresses on area's

2015-02-03 Thread Paul Johnson
, Darrell Fuhriman darr...@garnix.org wrote: It seems to be addr:unit, though it’s not widely used. It’s what I’ve been using, though. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:addr:unit d. On Feb 3, 2015, at 12:28, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: What's the correct tag for unit number

Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-us] I've been workin' on the railroad (in California)

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:38 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: And here is what I've learned. This is tedious work, especially a state at at time. It is slow, but that is because it is a whole (large) state. This is not impossibly large work, not by a long shot. Yet for one

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On 2015-01-16 07:52, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes. With James' proposal to change `ref` to `ref:penndot` (or something even more explicit like `ref:penndot:quadrant`), there's no need for disambiguation. A prefix of PA isn't

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Are they actually separate networks, though? Just because there's more digits doesn't a different network make. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: On 2015-01-16 07:52, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Alright, in that case, I'm throwing my support into retagging ref=SR in Pennsylvania to ref:penndot=* en masse, since it's at least an edge-case useful tag to those familiar with the system but not particularly useful or obvious for the average user. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 5:28 AM, James

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
Not totally sure that relation even needs to exist given that you can fire off an XAPI request for everything in the US:PA:Turnpike network without it anyway, but good to know that it's already sorted. But yeah, back to the point, I think the refs that appear on the blade signs belongs in

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: On 2015-01-19 00:50, Paul Johnson wrote: Are they actually separate networks, though? Just because there's more digits doesn't a different network make. What distinguishes the various networks that a given

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-19 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, so three, possibly four, routes that could have US:PA:Turnpike relations. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 4:45 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: US:PA:Turnpike (possibly only one member?) There are 3 routes in that (not counting the mainline PA Turnpike relation). PA Turnpike 43

Re: [Talk-us] fun with tagging: it's a raceway and an airstrip

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Given that aeronautical features and road vehicle features have different namespace, tag it as runway and raceway? This is a surprisingly common arrangement in the ground truth and plays a prominent role in the original, US, AU (and very probably, all) versions of Top Gear. On Jan 15, 2015 7:42

Re: [Talk-us] I've been workin' on the railroad (in California)

2015-01-15 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:38 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: And here is what I've learned. This is tedious work, especially a state at at time. It is slow, but that is because it is a whole (large) state. This is not impossibly large work, not by a long shot. Yet for one

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm very much in favor of PA instead of SR for disambiguation purposes. On Jan 16, 2015 2:15 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: I have happened to notice (mostly in Eastern Pennsylvania) that some users have added these routes from the old 'name_*' tags and putting them in the

Re: [Talk-us] Pennsylvania's quadrant routes

2015-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
I understand that there's a difference between signed and unsigned. Oregon has a similar situation with routes and highways. Highways don't get signed, routes do. Every state-owned right of way in Oregon has a highway number and are in ODOT's inventory (including traversable beaches of the

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large, and very empty. Plot out a wall size map of the US, now pin the tail on the map. Unless you bumped a wall on the way there or have an acute sense of

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: I'm thinking if they wanted broader input, they'd use the mailing list and not the forum. But I think a big part of it is the US is very large

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 1:16:55 PM Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are there methods of remote sensing (street-level imagery, data from other places on the internet) that could help us with the locality problem?

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
at once to make the outreach worth the time effort (although they often used pins and paper maps to gather their data given spotty coverage). I wonder if anyone has ever had an OSM State Fair mapping party? Eleanor On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote

Re: [Talk-us] Why does the USA currently lag in OSM map quality?

2015-02-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Could we make this a bit more mobile friendly? It'd be a great timesink when I'm on a bus I've already collected as much data as I can flying past everything in the dark on. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:59 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue Feb 17 2015 at 2:53:44 PM Paul Johnson

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Kerry Irons irons54vor...@gmail.com wrote: The key question here, it seems to me, is whether there is any “official” body that claims these sections of I-5 to be a bicycle route.

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Zontine, Chris -(p) chr...@telenav.com wrote: While mapping a FIXME in the US this situation came up: WAY ID 8822153. The FIXME implies this WAY (and others) should have a dual carriageway. As you can see this is one long stretch of highway=motorway. What is

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case that explicit statute specifies bicycles are allowed on I-5 in Oregon, but

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:09 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I think the original question is are there bicycle routes that include Interstate Highways. From what we've learned, Interstate Highways can be tagged to allow bicycles where permitted by law. But just because

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
a bit of a road geek, I ask this very question of my fellow road geeks on our discussion forum. It seems many states have explicit laws allowing bicycles on the highway. Follow it here: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14452.0 Elliott On Mon Jan 12 2015 at 1:51:25 PM Paul Johnson ba

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: in fact, here in NYS there is a class of trunk-ish roads called Urban Expressways where bikes and pedestrians are forbidden; sometimes it's posted but sometimes it's not. Having commuted by freeway by bicycle in a

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy Hour

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
That was a horrible but especially clever pun. On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 3:01 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: Tonight! Be there or be spherical Mercator. https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/c98gk0o8cjli2crjlcoa6f0vom8 Martijn ___

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:43 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast USA that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds. All the more reason

[Talk-us] Code Across Tulsa mapping party

2015-02-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Sorry for the late notice, I just remembered just just now myself. Tonight starting at 18:00 running all weekend long, coders, makers and mappers from metro Tulsa and beyond will be getting together at the Hardesty Arts Center, 117 N Boston Av, Tulsa. Bus service available inbound until around

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:08 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-03-18 3:48 GMT+01:00 Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com: (IMO the “Bender’s Corner” hamlet should probably just be deleted outright. I live near it and there really is no such thing.) or maybe keep

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: Looking at King County, especially Seattle, it appears that a number of the place=hamlet are actually neighborhoods. We have been reluctant to add neighborhood borders because of prior discussions on the mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Weigh stations on Interstates

2015-03-16 Thread Paul Johnson
I didn't look closely at the situation, but what rendered looked more or less right. Consider an enforcement relation http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement, and also on the bypass route (the main highway) hgv=no and a maxweight=* tag for which you don't have to weigh in on the

Re: [Talk-us] Weigh stations on Interstates

2015-03-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:39 PM Paul Johnson Only place I've known this to be true is California. Everywhere else I've been, it either reverts to a highway parking area (midwest) or a public access scale (northwest

Re: [Talk-us] Weigh stations on Interstates

2015-03-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: While one could get into access tags for weigh stations, it seems like it would create as many problems as it solves. -- A weigh station in the USA is a mandatory stop for heavy goods vehicles, and prohibited entry

Re: [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:11 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Please consider participating in the wiki voting for: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Sanitary_Dump_Station These sites have various names including dump station, dump point, caravan dump station,

Re: [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: A caravan site might have 200 private hookups. We don't want the hookups to be rendered at the same level as the central dump station. Backyard dump stations should render even less prominently, if they are even mapped

Re: [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 2:04 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: As a tagged property of a mapped place (e.g. campground, store, fuel station), without a specific position. Probably not as this is almost

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:18 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: In some cases, these hamlets may be separate legal entities, even though surrounded by the city. For example, Davidson County, Tennessee, and the city of Nashville merged in 1963 into a shared Metropolitan

Re: [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:07 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: Are there any rendering packages that can be set to render private objects for only a preset list of operator tag values? So, if an association of recreational vehicle owners has waste disposal stations only for

Re: [Talk-us] Retagging hamlets in the US

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: What do people think about how to properly retag place=hamlet in US urban areas? My colleague Eliane rendered out a map of all hamlets in urban areas in the US: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/samely/diary/34541 I just

Re: [Talk-us] Wählen / Voting - Sanitary Dump Station

2015-03-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:20 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: A caravan site might have 200 private hookups. We don't want

Re: [Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 8:33 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 5:15 AM Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: or are they dynamic (meaning you can waive your hand in any place along the route and the bus will stop)? In this case I'd not map any bus stops

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Mapillary is your friend. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: I've given up the dedicated GPS and/or pen and paper for data collection and I do everything using the camera and notes application on my smartphone. All the pictures I take are geotagged. I

Re: [Talk-us] Mappy hour tomorrow!

2015-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
Normally this would work out better for me but I'm either going to be picking up the Cherry Bomb (my truck, so named after an incident in which an ether-fuelled backfire burned off my beard and half my hair about 3 weeks ago) from the shop or comatose. On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Martijn van

[Talk-us] How to map deviation areas for routes?

2015-03-08 Thread Paul Johnson
Here in Tulsa (and apparently Wichita as well, along with Cherokee Nation Transit, Kibois Area Transit System, and presumably most midwestern agencies) have a concept of deviation area on their routes. In such a case, you can be picked up or dropped off anyplace they can fit a bus (usually a

[Talk-us] Bus flag stops?

2015-03-07 Thread Paul Johnson
How do we deal with bus stops that exist in transit schedules but have no physical presence? ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Your opinion about SOTM US

2015-03-10 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm still kicking up chunks of stuff GNIS and TIGER pulled in that are woefully inaccurate. Just did some cursory Lincoln County, NV work after my father got lost out there while motorcycling with his wife (fortunately for him, he carries survival basics and knows how to survive in the Great Basin

Re: [Talk-us] Best practices for outdoor mapping party

2015-03-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:57 AM, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: When entering data in OSM make sure that you are not editing with different teams on the same area. This may produce data conflicts. This plugin can be useful to help coordinate while editing:

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