Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Yours c. Steve On Feb 24, 2010, at 7:56, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 8:44 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Can't you just get over yourself and admit that a newbie coming to OSM has a crap time? It's not hard! Stop defending it all. Steve, I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 12:16, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote: Thanks a lot Steve, for underlining the need to improve the experience of new visitors. And thanks for such a positive response and all your work. This is right on spot with what we have been feeling regarding Haiti.

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 8:47, Michal Migurski m...@stamen.com wrote: On Feb 24, 2010, at 6:21 AM, SteveC wrote: You believe that feedback is a good thing, but, it seems, only if the feedback confirms your own ideas. You have railed against the UI, against hard-working volunteer contributors

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
On Feb 24, 2010, at 13:18, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: Andy, building community and moving things on is not just be nice to everyone all the time. Sometimes it's also about being honest and saying, this is wrong, we can fix it. * Steve apologies

Re: [OSM-talk] Thoughts on OSM design, and looking forward and back

2010-02-24 Thread SteveC
Ha :-) Believe it or not I only just found out mapzen is GPL And as I pointed out before, it shares problems with PL like not having an open community behind it. Yours c. Steve On Feb 24, 2010, at 13:44, Jamie Smith jamiekrsm...@googlemail.com wrote: On 24 February 2010 09:42, SteveC

[OSM-talk] With apologies to RichardF/FakeSteveC

2010-02-25 Thread SteveC
Recently I've been a bit negative about potlatch and by over-extension to RichardF. I apologise, sorry! To make amends, I have ordered an amazing I love you bean: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/science/c6f0/ http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/front/c6f0_i_love_you_bean.jpg and a

Re: [OSM-talk] HOT ready? Concepción, Chile eart hquake

2010-02-28 Thread SteveC
All we need are earthquakes on every square mile of the planet, and OSM will be complete in no time! :-) On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:51 AM, Mikel Maron wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_Chile_earthquake Thanks to Harry Wood and others for getting the wiki up. Inquiries on satellite

[OSM-talk] OpenGeoData

2010-03-08 Thread SteveC
This is my 6-monthly-or-so call for people who want to contribute to OpenGeoData.org to get in touch. It's now extra simple, you just mail an address and it gets posted to the blog and the @openstreetmap twitter account. Anyone can help out with things like posting the image of the week when it

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] UX Review

2010-03-09 Thread SteveC
whoops - this was meant for talk! Begin forwarded message: From: Peter Batty peter.ba...@gmail.com Date: March 9, 2010 9:32:48 AM EST To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] UX Review I very highly recommend this book on web

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] UX Review

2010-03-09 Thread SteveC
making sure this goes to talk@ too... Begin forwarded message: From: Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com Date: March 9, 2010 9:36:37 AM EST To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk...@openstreetmap.org, p...@opengeodata.posterous.com Subject: Re: [Talk-us] UX Review On Tue

Re: [OSM-talk] First drop in planet size ?

2010-03-11 Thread SteveC
lots of dupe node removal? On Mar 11, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Nic Roets wrote: (since we got rid of the segments) From 8.2 GB to 8.1 GB: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

[OSM-talk] talk in amsterdam

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
Do you have what it takes to do a talk at the Location Business Summit on April 28th - 29th at the Hotel Okura in Amsterdam. if so, get in touch because I can't face another flight across the atlantic. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] Logo vote

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
Hi all We've narrowed down the OSMF logo's some time ago and have been waiting for someone to write a voting script so that OSMF members can vote for the winner. But that someone is very busy. Does anyone here want to step up and make it happen? Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Logo vote

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
yes there's a subset On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I don't really care how it's done, what I'm looking for is someone to do it... Is there a particular set of logos from the logo page [0] you are voting

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Logo vote

2010-03-17 Thread SteveC
cool - can you do it then? On Mar 17, 2010, at 1:08 PM, Vincent Pottier wrote: Le 17/03/2010 19:33, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) a écrit : Well, you wouldn't be saying that if you had to sift through those 300 emails yourself! Cheers It's not very hard if you send an email (better

[OSM-talk] What do you wish you'd known?

2010-03-19 Thread SteveC
What are the thing or things you know know that you wish you'd known when you started with OpenStreetMap? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Going to Where 2.0 and Want to Work the Booth?

2010-03-23 Thread SteveC
we've done it before at wherecamp over lunch, makes much more sense then than friday when everyone wants to just go home or drink beer On Mar 23, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Kate Chapman wrote: There has been some discussion about having a mapping party the Friday after Where 2.0. Also I'm not sure,

[OSM-talk] Announce: OpenOS

2010-03-27 Thread SteveC
As you've probably heard the Ordnance Survey is going to open some data next week. We don't exactly know what data or what license it will be under but there's a reasonable chance it won't be importable in to OSM because either the data will be low scale or released with an incompatible

[OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org

2010-04-01 Thread SteveC
Google, Waze and OSMF have partnered on a common initiative to explore crowd-sourced mapping solutions. Yes, this is real. See: www.closedstreetmap.org for the full press release. Contact me if you want to be involved. ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing closedstreetmap.org

2010-04-01 Thread SteveC
On Apr 1, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: Google, Waze and OSMF have partsnip Just to users of OSM from countries and cultures that do not know about April the 1st, read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools% 27_Day I was born in Sweden. April fools is very popular

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-06 Thread SteveC
maybe we could get some of them to SOTM to explain their thinking? On May 6, 2010, at 3:25 PM, John Smith wrote: On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: My personal opinion: Let them. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without

[OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
After several thousand man years of effort by the License Working Group and a bit of help by TomH, the new contributor terms and license are up and to be agreed to by new users. Signing up here in OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/new will take you here:

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
this could be a good SOTM talk too? On May 13, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Robert Martinez wrote: Hello OpenStreetMappers, I would love to offer a special contribution to the project: a new logo! I hope the community (you) will give me some feedback and possibly help me to get the launch done.

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
On May 13, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Gregory wrote: On 13 May 2010 16:46, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: this could be a good SOTM talk too? +1 But aren't we in the 'process' of changing the OSMF logo? I think it's really important the two logos both share elements. A lot of OSMF logo

[OSM-talk] Are you in / near Bosnia-Herzegovina?

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
Then please get in touch with this guy... Begin forwarded message: From: Vladimir Lepusina vl...@info.ba Date: May 13, 2010 10:28:23 AM MDT To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: RE: Bosnian editors Please do, someone will eventually get back to me; looking by Banja Luka / Sarajevo wiki

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread SteveC
On May 13, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Robert Martinez wrote: What exactly would you expect to be the talk about? Explain in detail why you feel the logo needs help using examples, and show how you think it can be improved / replaced. On 05/13/2010 05:46 PM, SteveC wrote: this could be a good SOTM

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed human readable contributor terms

2010-05-14 Thread SteveC
awesome On May 14, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: I've created a proposed version of the human readable contributor terms on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Contributor_Terms/Human_readable The wording can doubtless be improved

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Robert, Robert Martinez wrote: There has to be a design department for OSM with authority and competence [...] My conclusion is a plea to the project management: please try to find a capable design team as soon as you can! Do

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: He's just pointing out what I did a few months back - the design, usability and aesthetic of OSM is a big mess. My vote is that we just put him in charge of fixing it, but I don't really want another fight with all of those who know little

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 2:29 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: About your things have gotten old an crusty - do you remember how many million times in the API 0.3 or 0.4 days we had some GIS acolyte parachuting in and treating us like idiots because we weren't using PostGIS but MySQL instead? Did we

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions (was: new logo)

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Kai Krueger wrote: There, we really could use some great designers, marketing and PR folk, journalists or who ever else feels up to the task of presenting OSM to the newbie in an appealing and accurate way to make sure they understand

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
kiss on stage at SOTM. How about it? Yours c. Steve On May 16, 2010, at 4:59 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: Only a large scale change is going to fix that, bar a few things that you've already shot down like having a feedback tab. Something so obvious

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-16 Thread SteveC
On May 16, 2010, at 4:51 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Time for a data model czar and throw away all this backward looking shit of tagging freedom? Well if you think about it Frederik, I was the data model czar. You mean that to keep pace with Waze and Google Map Maker, we should simply drop

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki contributions

2010-05-17 Thread SteveC
On May 17, 2010, at 5:01 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El 17/05/2010 1:53, SteveC escribió: I'll send you a I love you bean and give you a big kiss on stage at SOTM. How about it? That'd be quite gay, Steve. You're just jealous :-) Yours c. Steve

[OSM-talk] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-19 Thread SteveC
If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-20 Thread SteveC
link to contact info and a outline of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. Andrew On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] [Geowanking] closedstreetmap.org

2010-05-20 Thread SteveC
of an argument for appealing why and how the data could be opened. Andrew On May 19, 2010, at 8:04 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If anyone wants the above domain name, let me know as it expires in a month. Yours c. Steve ___ Geowanking

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-20 Thread SteveC
Why do you take responsibility for postal losses? That seems super bad luck. You're running a business right not a socialist theocracy. Just put a note on the checkout that says uninsured postal delivery: £4 recorded, insured delivery: £10 or whatever. On May 18, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Andy Allan

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-21 Thread SteveC
interesting: http://reviews.ebay.co.uk/When-Items-Get-Lost-In-The-Post_W0QQugidZ103212591 out of interest, does RM actually compensate you then? On May 21, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Andy Allan wrote: On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:34 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Why do you take

[OSM-talk] Fwd: OpenStreetMap featured on Ushahidi/Uchaguzi site

2010-06-04 Thread SteveC
Anyone help? Yours c. Steve Begin forwarded message: From: Jessica Heinzelman jheinzel...@ushahidi.com Date: June 4, 2010 4:27:11 MDT To: SteveC st...@asklater.com Subject: Re: OpenStreetMap featured on Ushahidi/Uchaguzi site Please do! Thanks! Jessica On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:58 PM

Re: [OSM-talk] WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
So I've had phone and email chats with stephen wolfram about everything they're doing because incidentally I had an internship there a decade ago. They love OSM. What's good is we're at a nice tipping point with many who want to use OSM and help it succeed but are having trouble figuring out

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
I think you're concentrating on tiles, but that's not really the bottleneck I would jump on first. The conversation goes like this: steve we have 300 million people a day look at our site and we would like to send their edits and feedback to OSM Really it's the API we're talking about. Tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:27 PM, SteveC wrote: I think you're concentrating on tiles, but that's not really the bottleneck I would jump on first. The conversation goes like this: steve we have 300 million people a day look at our site and we would like to send their edits and feedback to OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Anthony wrote: OTRS? huh? On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:30 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Well let me take that back a bit - actually even doing some very simple cleanup of the interface and having a feedback mechanism *at all* would be a good first step

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
that's a good problem to have :) On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:30 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Well let me take that back a bit - actually even doing some very simple cleanup of the interface and having a feedback mechanism *at all* would be a good first step, as people jumped on my recent

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
Ticket Request System) On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 8:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Anthony wrote: OTRS? huh? On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:30 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Well let me take that back a bit - actually even doing some very simple

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:50 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Anthony wrote: OTRS? huh? Does anyone think it would be a good idea to set up OTRS for OSM? If your question was what OTRS is, http

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:12 PM, John Smith wrote: On 18 June 2010 11:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: But the sad thing is it applies for much lower numbers too - if you wanted to scale to 1 million / day editors let's say. I'm wondering if bulk uploaders are already hitting these kinds

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:50 PM, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:31 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I think we can do better Well then, feel free. that's a valid point but a nauseatingly pithy one when overused in response to simple comments. Yeah that's Fredericks point

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:08 PM, Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 9:31 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I think we can do better http://customer.otrs.org/otrs/customer.pl is a horrible interface. I'd like something that works like uservoice.com but is integrated

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 9:22 PM, Ben Last wrote: Just to chime in on the topic... On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: To paraphrase (not specifically Wolfram, but the unnamed other megacorps you're chatting with): 1. they'd like to link to us directly but our infrastrucutre

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Ben Last wrote: On 18 June 2010 11:49, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: That's super interesting though - can you give a deep feel for what the volume and content of those emails is? Generally hey, my street's not in the right suburb well at least this one

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Ben Last wrote: On 18 June 2010 12:19, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:11 PM, Ben Last wrote: Generally hey, my street's not in the right suburb well at least this one is what I want to capture, super simply, and have a queue

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Anthony wrote: Anyway, if your point in this thread is just defending yourself against what you see as an attack from Frederick, feel free to ignore this. But if you'd like some ideas on how to create a system to allow OSM users to easily get feedback quickly

[OSM-talk] timezones

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
random question that came up on IRC - are the timezones mapped in OSM? Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Ben Last wrote: On 18 June 2010 12:32, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Ben Last wrote: Well, fixing it isn't trivial, since there may be a bunch of reasons why it's wrong (or it may not actually be wrong!). We could store

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-17 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:47 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:40 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Anthony wrote: Anyway, if your point in this thread is just defending yourself against what you see as an attack from Frederick, feel free

Re: [OSM-talk] Big sponsors (was: WolframAlpha uses OpenStreetMap data)

2010-06-18 Thread SteveC
On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Anthony wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 12:54 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: OTRS is a horrible system, whereas uservoice is easypeasy. From whose perspective? Send an email, wait 3 minutes and 42 seconds, receive a response that your issue has been

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 17, 2010, at 12:06 PM, 80n wrote: In other words, we were wrong, we chose the wrong license out of ignorance. Shit happens. Yeah, shit happens, OSM becomes outrageously successful and nobody abuses the spirit of the license. What kind of shit is that? People abuse it all the

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 2:59 PM, John Smith wrote: On 18 July 2010 22:51, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Did imports and Nearmap tracing in Australia start before the relicensing effort, or were you simply not aware of it, or did you not take it seriously? Most likely ODBL is fine,

Re: [OSM-talk] Defining critical mass...

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
this made my day :-) As OSM has gone on I've found more and more that I'm attacked when people simply don't listen (I got flames in David Earls talk at SOTM when I said 'tag equivalences were going to be part of the original tagging system', people flamed me saying they thought that me hating

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:46 PM, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 03:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Why? Because the project is growing very fast and attracting more data all the time. If Google or Nearmap don't want to play ball that's fine - just look at the hundreds of other

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:48 PM, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 03:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: It's similar to those people saying that we should do whatever Google says we should do, so they can just use our data. Since you're bringing up Google, what about Yahoo, any official

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:01 PM, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 03:54, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: John, you're painting a dystopian view based on a couple of key things - that 1) nearmap would never change their mind and 2) the 'same thing' could happen at any point. The email I

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:05 PM, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 03:56, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: We had this discussion years ago now and they were fine with it. As with everything else, they weren't allowed by legal to say anything publicly and were just waiting for the actual

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:11 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The companies I talk to today come down in to two camps on PD. The first basically lick their lips and want us to go PD so they don't have to contribute anything (in effect make

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 8:18 PM, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 04:11, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The companies I talk to today come down in to two camps on PD. The first basically lick their lips and want us to go PD so they don't have to contribute anything (in effect make

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:23 PM, Liz wrote: On Sun, 18 Jul 2010, Frederik Ramm wrote: Did imports and Nearmap tracing in Australia start before the relicensing effort, or were you simply not aware of it, or did you not take it seriously? We started imports a while ago, with the first I

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread SteveC
On Jul 19, 2010, at 12:08 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 5:56 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jul 18, 2010, at 9:49 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:11 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: The companies I talk to today come down in to two camps on PD

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
to this and yet you pick bitter dissent. That's not the 80n I remember, where's it coming from? Steve stevecoast.com On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:17 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 6:29 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jul 17, 2010, at 12:06 PM, 80n wrote: In other

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
(and daughters?), are less equal than others. Perhaps this should not merely be implied, but written out in the bylaws. I thought it was just a mindless attack, since I'm currently a stay-at-home father, not a stay-at-home son, and I don't even have a basement. When facts aren't on his side, SteveC

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:34 PM, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 23:19, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: And honestly, if at any future time two thirds of active OSM contributors want to change to a non-SA license, why should we keep them from it? In one or two years, two thirds of

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
Come on that wasn't a flame - now any reasonable point is a flame? Can you restate the question as I don't have mail archives etc here (on my phone) Steve stevecoast.com On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:30 PM, Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/7/19 SteveC st...@asklater.com: On Jul 19

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
We did have a vote, remember? You just disagree with the outcome an the remit the OSMF has. Steve stevecoast.com On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:31 PM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:05 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:34 PM, John Smith wrote

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:20 AM, Liz wrote: On Tue, 20 Jul 2010, SteveC wrote: From my experience off list with all the people frustrated both in email and in person, those 20 or so people here just don't represent everyone else who'd prefer all this discussion to go to legal-talk and just move

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
On Jul 20, 2010, at 2:43 AM, John Smith wrote: On 20 July 2010 10:38, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I'm left wondering if this problem is being over engineered by lawyers... Go ask on odc-discuss? Is there much point if I'm only likely to get a biased answer? You're right, much

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing free and open license

2010-07-20 Thread SteveC
That's really for the LWG to answer... On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:55 PM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: 2010/7/19 SteveC st...@asklater.com: Can you restate the question as I don't have mail archives etc here (on my phone) Ok, there it goes: I suggest to add SA clause and Attribution clause

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-05 Thread SteveC
Ben if I read this right then you're hiding the users from OSM and we'll see a stream of edits from NearMap which are actually from multiple users. This is why CM/matt/others built the OAuth code so that mapzen etc didn't do that, because it's horrific. The reason is pretty simple - the first

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread SteveC
On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:13 AM, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:25 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: You essentially have 2 camps here, the pragmatists who think anything but minor data loss is unacceptable, and you have the idealists who think even if we loose a most of

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread SteveC
On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:22 AM, John Smith wrote: On 5 August 2010 22:43, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I agree, FUD isn't fun. But it's you and a couple of others having a significant time sink effect on the people trying to move it forward. I'm not the one that came up with ambiguous

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread SteveC
On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:23 AM, John Smith wrote: On 5 August 2010 22:44, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh and BTW this exact dragging on is why I suggested we bound the problem by signing up new users - so the problem doesn't grow every day with more and more people. But that has it's

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] decision removing data

2010-08-05 Thread SteveC
On Aug 5, 2010, at 7:36 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Anthony wrote: And who told you that OSM is a collection of unoriginal facts? I did, last time I did some mapping. I faithfully recorded where the paths, gates and stiles were, rather than pulling some fictitious locations out of my

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-06 Thread SteveC
On Aug 6, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Ed Avis wrote: SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: The reason is pretty simple - the first line of copyright defense if we get an email from TeleAtlas Legal saying 'user NearMap copied our data' is that we will remove _all_ NearMap data. Wouldn't you tell

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-06 Thread SteveC
On Aug 6, 2010, at 11:09 AM, John Smith wrote: On 7 August 2010 03:04, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Sounds like you've never been to court. Who's right or wrong is a secondary consideration here, the first order of magnitude issue is who has more money. We lose on that one. So

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert requests in general

2010-08-06 Thread SteveC
On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:21 PM, John Smith wrote: On 7 August 2010 03:14, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: If they have several orders of magnitude more money then probably the cost/benefit tradeoff would suggest throwing out the data is the better option. Even wikipedia doesn't take

[OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread SteveC
OSM is mostly a consensus-based community, or a do-ocracy. It was never a benevolent dictatorship, and I have given up (as far as I know, anyway) all power I have in OSM. I used to write the code, own the domain names, run the mailing list(s), run the servers, evangelize, talk to the press and

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread SteveC
On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Peter Körner wrote: Am 10.08.2010 18:59, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Personally I think this idea of labeling people as poisonous is itself poisonous, and anyone who agrees with it is at least slightly poisonous. It's the dose that makes the poison, and when

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread SteveC
the community. What are you talking about? The guidelines SteveC proposed are to moderate how the discussion should be conducted, not how the project is defined! TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread SteveC
On Aug 10, 2010, at 2:57 PM, Simon Ward wrote: On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 02:50:26PM -0600, SteveC wrote: Someone mentioned that in addition there should be some topic guidelines per mailing list too, eg newbies@ should not be a debate list but a questions list... should we add that in too? I

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL Moderation

2010-08-11 Thread SteveC
I agree with all Andy said. Steve stevecoast.com On Aug 11, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 11:29 PM, steve brown st...@evolvedlight.co.uk wrote: Hey As BFDL, do you still want a Code of Conduct, or does your wiki page suffice? I'm

[OSM-talk] Legal discussion on talk@

2010-08-13 Thread SteveC
Please move all legal discussion (except announcements of course) to http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk or http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-general Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] moderation going forward

2010-08-18 Thread SteveC
The list has become sane again, and I've not had to use any Evil Powers. But, is this what you want going forward? My own inclination is that list moderators are elected per list for, say, a one year period. But I suspect that finding people who want to be a moderator might be hard. Thoughts?

Re: [OSM-talk] I quit

2010-08-19 Thread SteveC
I didn't mean to - I was discussing the legal CT stuff on legal-talk, I thought I dropped the talk@ in the to: unless someone else put it in there? On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:05 PM, Chris Hill wrote: OK, this stupidity has gone too far. Now the 'moderator' is arguing with the trolls on a

[OSM-talk] iPad app

2010-08-20 Thread SteveC
I keep thinking an editing app for the 3G / wifi iPad would be awesome. It's always on the network, GPS and compass are built in. It would be a sweet surveying device, but would have to be super fault tolerant in doing things like waiting for the network. Steve stevecoast.com

Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app

2010-08-21 Thread SteveC
The problem with a remote app is that connectivity will really, really suck while you're out wandering around with an ipad. You'll be hopping cell towers, going on to broken wifi networks and half the time things will be very slow or timeout. It strikes me it'll be easier to handle all that in

[OSM-talk] Moderation

2010-08-22 Thread SteveC
talk@ is not the place for acrimonious posts about the license like this http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2010-August/053323.html Both sides have had their say in the Let's prepare to Fork OSM to a CCBYSA 2.0continuation thread. Please, when responding to that thread now

Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app

2010-08-23 Thread SteveC
when it will be available, but soon. The best part: it will be free. Best regards, Zsombor Szabo IZE, Ltd. On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 21:30, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I keep thinking an editing app for the 3G / wifi iPad would be awesome. It's always on the network, GPS and compass

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze using OSM Data

2010-08-31 Thread SteveC
I have pinged waze with this. Have fun, Steve | stevecoast.com On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Julio Costa Zambelli julio.co...@openstreetmap.cl wrote: Last night in the process of responding some comments to our GPS selling campaign

Re: [OSM-talk] Waze and OSM in Chile

2010-08-31 Thread SteveC
Awesome. As I said on opengeodata - this is a cool example of a firm taking swift action on an unintended problem and working well with a community. +1 to waze. Steve stevecoast.com On Aug 31, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Noam Bardin wrote: Guys, we saw your post on Chile (thanks for letting us

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Noise vs unanswered questions

2010-09-03 Thread SteveC
Did you read the minutes where all the CT issues are being discussed? Have fun, Steve | stevecoast.com On Sep 3, 2010, at 3:03 AM, Simon Ward si...@bleah.co.uk wrote: On Thu, Sep 02, 2010 at 12:39:11PM +0100, Rob Myers wrote: On 09/02/2010 11:24 AM, TimSC wrote: 1) How is the future

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