[OSM-talk] list of OSM use by commercial entities

2010-09-08 Thread SteveC
I've been asked a few times for examples of companies that are using OSM and as the list keeps getting longer I keep forgetting examples. Anyone fancy setting up a wiki page to keep a track of them? Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Exceeded API bandwidth limit, now what?

2010-09-15 Thread SteveC
On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:02 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: On Sep 14, 2010, at 12:06 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Michal Migurski wrote: I'm downloading London, in small sections. I just exceeded my API bandwidth limit. Get

[OSM-talk] Measuring the OpenStreetMap Economy

2010-09-23 Thread SteveC
When I see announcements flying around like MapQuests $1M commitment to OSM, or CloudMades $12M VC round it begs the question of how big is the OSM economy? Purely as an academic exercise it's interesting to think of OSM as an ecosystem around which people find work and provide goods and

Re: [OSM-talk] Measuring the OpenStreetMap Economy

2010-09-23 Thread SteveC
On Sep 23, 2010, at 9:43 AM, Nic Roets wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:05 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Once you have the criteria of what goes in to the measuring pot of the OSM economy you further have large error bars on the data for each thing. For example, are those

[OSM-talk] OSM User Testing

2010-09-29 Thread SteveC
I've written previously about OSM usability studies, and now it's happening. Nate Bolt from the fantabulous Bolt|Peters is going to help OSM run usability tests and we need your help. The timeline looks something like this: This week or next we're going to switch on some javascript on the OSM

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS Opendata amp; the new license

2010-09-29 Thread SteveC
On Sep 29, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 29/09/2010 16:13, SteveC wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 8:15 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 29/09/2010 12:22, Richard Fairhurst wrote: kevin wrote: The issue here is a licence has been chosen, that appears incompatible with current practise Think you've

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing

2010-09-30 Thread SteveC
On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Those people fill out a form and are invited later to use some simple online screen capturing software while asked to do some simple tasks and this is where you come

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM User Testing

2010-09-30 Thread SteveC
On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:20, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:34, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Those people fill out a form

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] OSM User Testing

2010-09-30 Thread SteveC
Just my few cents! On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:42 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:40 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:20, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Sep 29, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Wed

Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

2010-10-05 Thread SteveC
Jochen this is level 17 awesome. The first thing I wanted to look at was this http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/FIXME and then go fix things near me. Maybe if I click on the map it could redirect to a nominatim search for that tag, if you can constrain the search to a bbox near

Re: [OSM-talk] Introducing Taginfo

2010-10-05 Thread SteveC
but the point is hooking the two things together? On Oct 5, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Jochen Topf wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2010 at 08:56:00AM -0600, SteveC wrote: The first thing I wanted to look at was this http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/FIXME and then go fix things near me. Maybe if I

Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

2010-10-06 Thread SteveC
On Oct 6, 2010, at 9:23 AM, Nic Roets wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: Op 06-10-10 15:12, Nic Roets schreef: On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:55 PM, TimSC

Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

2010-10-15 Thread SteveC
On Oct 15, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Randy Meech wrote: Why would you expect that? Randy Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted multiple times. Ignore him. On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Mike N.

Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

2010-10-15 Thread SteveC
On Oct 15, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:22:56 -0600 SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Anthony is just trolling. He's been kicked out of wikipedia, as noted multiple times. Ignore him. That is untruthful. Which bit? Steve stevecoast.com

Re: [OSM-talk] Response to A critique of OpenStreetMap

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:13 PM, Anthony wrote: I also haven't been kicked out of Wikipedia, though you have claimed it multiple times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Raul654/Anthony_evidence#Anthony_DiPierro

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
lately is from SteveC... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 8:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:36, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Oh hardly. All I have done is call out Anthony and link to the things he denies about wikipedia. What specifically has any

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
Well that's kind of hilarious given you cut out the first half of my email where I exactly answered your question Duane. Steve stevecoast.com On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:02 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 October 2010 00:58, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: I wish i had a pony. This is why things end up in a endless debate, people pose serious questions and you either can't be bothered, or won't respond properly so the debate can move forward. I, and probably

Re: [OSM-talk] Code of Conduct: civil discussion, lists etc.

2010-10-16 Thread SteveC
On Oct 16, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: On Saturday 16 October 2010 17:40:36 SteveC wrote: :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com|\ ^(to|cc|bcc).*ed...@billiau.net .spam/ :0: * ^(to|cc|bcc).*...@inbox.org|\ ^(to|cc|bcc

Re: [OSM-talk] SotM11 will be held in Denver.

2010-10-25 Thread SteveC
Believe it or not (and I look forward to the conspiracy theories on 80n's mailing list) it's one very large coincidence. I originally pushed Denver (where I live) with some folks here for SOTM-US and Eric asked me to help with the FOSS4G bid for 2010. Both fell through. Then Hurricane and

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-24 Thread SteveC
Hrm. I think we should have some kind of idea of what we're trying to accomplish. There are a bunch of companies interested in OSM, and it might be nice for them to talk. I suspect it's about as simple as that? But we don't want to do that and exclude anyone else, so it should be free for

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-26 Thread SteveC
Speaking personally about what large orgs and what they want, I think it's pretty simple. Have a look at commercial data and OSM and do a diff, what are the main things missing? Addressing for geocoding and turn restrictions for routing. On Nov 26, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Ed Avis wrote: I think

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference (from osm-talk)

2010-11-26 Thread SteveC
On Nov 25, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Grant Slater wrote: John, On 25 November 2010 20:15, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Just a comment from one of the 130 who has voted yes on the recommendation of one of the people I thought was fairly sensible here and I now regret taking his advice.

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-26 Thread SteveC
://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:36 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Speaking personally about what large orgs and what they want, I think it's pretty simple. Have a look at commercial data and OSM and do a diff, what are the main things

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference (from osm-talk)

2010-11-26 Thread SteveC
On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Grant Slater wrote: On 26 November 2010 21:37, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Nov 25, 2010, at 4:09 PM, Grant Slater wrote: There have been many round of question, answers and many revisions. The LWG spends at around 25% of their time just keeping minutes

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-26 Thread SteveC
://schaaltreinen.nl | http://martijnvanexel.nl | http://oegeo.wordpress.com/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:49 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Nov 26, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: ...and some metric that tells you that the data

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for an Unconference

2010-11-26 Thread SteveC
On Nov 26, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Ed Avis wrote: SteveC steve at asklater.com writes: Speaking personally about what large orgs and what they want, I think it's pretty simple. Have a look at commercial data and OSM and do a diff, what are the main things missing? Addressing for geocoding

[OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-05 Thread SteveC
Results from my crude little survey; count percentage Android of some kind70 30% Nokia 65 28% iPhone 39 17% Other 45 19%

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CTs and the 1 April deadline

2011-01-05 Thread SteveC
very funny On Jan 4, 2011, at 7:11 AM, Rob Myers wrote: On 04/01/11 15:05, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Peter Miller wrote: I will currently be one of the people locked out because I have used the Ordnance Survey open data which is apparently incompatible with the new license. OS OpenData

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-07 Thread SteveC
: On 05/01/2011 22:45, SteveC wrote: In response to the critique of the validity, feel free to go do a better job. Why do people who are afraid of criticism (in fact, it was just a question to start with) always post ridiculous non sequiturs such as the above? *I* don't want to know who's

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-07 Thread SteveC
That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Michael Kugelmann wrote: On 05.01.2011 23:45, SteveC wrote: Results from my crude little survey; For my point of view this is somehow the same as the distribution of phones sold. Except: the very

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of Bing imagery visualised - update

2011-01-07 Thread SteveC
now you just need to go add addr:* tags for all of them, and you're done :-) On Jan 4, 2011, at 4:21 AM, Steve Chilton wrote: Updated and colour differentiated: http://www.stevechilton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/osm/buildingsBing.png Cheers STEVE -Original Message- From:

Re: [OSM-talk] What phone survey results

2011-01-08 Thread SteveC
On Jan 8, 2011, at 5:18 PM, David Murn wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 12:00 -0800, SteveC wrote: That's kind of interesting. Sold over what time period though? The article I posted gave figures (in both volume and $ sales) for per-quarter periods, compared with other quarters in 2010

[OSM-talk] Watch out if mapping in Florida, Georgia...

2011-01-21 Thread SteveC
GPS might not work; http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/20/unavailabe_gps_warning/ Steve stevecoast.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread SteveC
That's an interesting idea, I wonder what else lurks on the web, like postcodes for example? Steve On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Steve, Another thing that Bing can help us with is determining address ranges of roads. For example, when you spider the web

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread SteveC
Thanks for the feedback. Eyal and jm any chance of confidence? Steve On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:10 PM, François Van Der Biest francois.vanderbi...@camptocamp.com wrote: Thanks for this new service. I felt quite frustrated when I saw the silverlight stuff warning, so I decided to create a simple

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread SteveC
Maybe put the magicshop version number in the creator? Steve On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:12 PM, John-Michael Wiley jmwi...@microsoft.com wrote: I made the changes, checked in the code and published them to the staging servers. If someone else wants to take a look at the output and let me know

Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts

2011-02-11 Thread SteveC
Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. Steve stevecoast.com On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:44, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=unsurfaced

2011-02-12 Thread SteveC
I want to go to that mapping party. Steve stevecoast.com On Jan 21, 2011, at 17:59, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 19:30 +, Steve Doerr wrote: Nothing official, but it would be very unusual for anybody to call something that wasn't surfaced a road.

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread SteveC
it would make more entertaining reading that your recent posts. SteveC said he'd let me pilot his private jet if I say yes. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Steve

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-19 Thread SteveC
Google while mapping OSM data and he was very badly treated... ;) or ;(( Gert -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: SteveC [mailto:st...@asklater.com] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 april 2011 21:18 Aan: Frederik Ramm CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] License graph It's true

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread SteveC
are changed on the front page (some still are old versions). There is two quotes I want to cite from the log: 1. (12:38:15 PM) SteveC: TomH: how is rails 3 coming BTW? (12:39:02 PM) TomH: oh it mostly works, but there's an issue with our multi-part primary keys that is giving me grief (12

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread SteveC
Mikel and SWG don't have to take all this, I did it so flame me Jochen. Steve stevecoast.com On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:04, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: So tired of the bad attitude in OSM. Perhaps you're just trying to be funny Jochen, but really, this makes me want to quit trying

Re: [OSM-talk] New Logo in the Wiki

2011-04-30 Thread SteveC
stevecoast.com On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:17, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/30 SteveC st...@asklater.com: You will also find discussion of this list in that meeting. If I had posted the new logo idea here before doing anything there would have been a gigantic discussion

Re: [OSM-talk] early OSM webmap request

2011-06-04 Thread SteveC
Try image search? Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 4, 2011, at 16:31, Steve Chilton s.l.chil...@mdx.ac.uk wrote: For my SOTMEU presentation I need an image of the OSM webmap prior to mapnik, the old landsat +white lines version. I have looked on 'history' and 'featured images' on wiki but no

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread SteveC
On Jun 11, 2011, at 1:02, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between grudging acceptance or evangelical zeal. Dermot, I would quite like to take my data and start my own PD / CC0 project. What is stopping you? So by

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread SteveC
Thats a kind of odd set of statements given... the random polls you're showing around...? Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 13, 2011, at 13:53, TimSC mappingli...@sheerman-chase.org.uk wrote: On 13/06/11 12:30, Serge Wroclawski wrote: That vote took place three times. It was done first by the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Statement from nearmap.com regarding submission of derived works from PhotoMaps to OpenStreetMap

2011-06-16 Thread SteveC
So those guys put out a legal statement and an employee even gave you his interpretation on this list, which you can cite in court if you want. I think you're pretty solid and it feels like people are just looking for problems no matter what is done or said. :-( Steve stevecoast.com On Jun

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread SteveC
Tim Chris is trying to gently point out to you, as I was, that you're the one who's sucked up the most LWG time lately and thus making your suggestions on how they sound their time is a bit odd. Ignoring the point isn't helping. Steve stevecoast.com On Jun 20, 2011, at 10:25, TimSC

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-20 Thread SteveC
writes: The Troll word is used so often around in this community that it's hard to speak about courtesy. That's because SteveC uses it on people who don't agree with him. Can you point to an example where I call someone a troll who was not characterized by the wikipedia definition? http

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread SteveC
Tim An ad hominem attack would be something where you complained about what the LWG spent it's time on and I replied with a comment about your mother. Instead, I replied pointing out that you are in fact the one using most of their time recently. That would be called a rebuttal or perhaps a

Re: [OSM-talk] License/CT issues: Let's not punish the world's disadvantaged, pls.

2011-06-22 Thread SteveC
How will fosm (assuming it reaches the stage of being functional) continue to sync with OSM when the licenses are incompatible? Steve On Jun 22, 2011, at 11:18 AM, 80n wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com wrote: As I suggest in the

Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF elections

2011-08-15 Thread SteveC
I would encourage everyone to have a think about running for the board and look to what you can contribute. Be aware when thinking about it that we have a lot of work to do and meet frequently. That might impact your work and social life, it's not a ceremonial role, just ask Henk :-) The

Re: [OSM-talk] A happy birthday OpenStreetMap song from Nagoya Japan

2011-08-22 Thread SteveC
On 8/20/2011 9:57 PM, Shu Higashi wrote: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/16768642/highlight/195864 Not all the members are OSMers though ;-) Shu Higashi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk that

Re: [OSM-talk] How to start to remove non-CT compliant data..

2011-08-31 Thread SteveC
things have changed since then, might be worth revisiting On 8/31/2011 5:48 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Ed Avis wrote: Why not do what Wikipedia did and work together with the licence authors (in this case Creative Commons and Open Data Commons) to provide an automatic upgrade clause? Then

[OSM-talk] featured image

2011-09-06 Thread SteveC
Very funny - it's my heatmap, right? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] twitter handling

2011-09-07 Thread SteveC
There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome and I'm in touch with them to see if the src is available.

Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling

2011-09-08 Thread SteveC
, Chris Fleming wrote: On 08/09/2011 00:20, SteveC wrote: There are a bunch of people asking things on twitter about OSM that we miss. Or people saying nice things that we should be retweeting. I'm looking for a solution. Mozilla has this: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/army-of-awesome and I'm

Re: [OSM-talk] twitter handling

2011-09-08 Thread SteveC
On 9/8/2011 11:30 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 09/08/2011 05:20 PM, SteveC wrote: * Chicken and egg. No OSM answers supplied today - so why would there be lots of questions? +1 to Mikel: Let's answer questions by pointing people to our existing support infrastructure; not by trying

Re: [OSM-talk] Pre SOTM gathering

2011-09-08 Thread SteveC
blake street sports/dive bar for the NFL is where many are headed On 9/8/2011 3:40 PM, Gregory Arenius wrote: Are there any pre-SOTM gatherings going on this evening? Or failing that can anybody recommend a brewery to get one going at? Cheers, Greg

Re: [OSM-talk] Internet cable map

2011-10-17 Thread SteveC
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.12/ffglass.html On 10/17/2011 10:40 AM, yvecai wrote: As far as I know, submarine data cables are highly strategic. You can see on the map linked they are only few of them but carrying 99% of the information between continents. I am certain it would be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Progressing OSM to a new data Licence regime

2008-02-04 Thread SteveC
once for a few minutes and then vanished. You have a better idea? :-) Ultimately, I think if we get consensus the vast majority of people will be happy to switch. have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ legal

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Ordnance data

2008-02-20 Thread SteveC
? have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Houses of cards

2008-02-21 Thread SteveC
On 21 Feb 2008, at 11:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 21 Feb 2008, at 08:47, Rob Myers wrote: - I have violated the contract but I am completely anonymous and untraceable. Nobody can find out who I am to do anything about this. And OSM would want

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Popper attribution on mobile map?

2008-04-25 Thread SteveC
On 25 Apr 2008, at 10:28, Martijn Pannevis wrote: Hi! My first mail to the legal list, I'm mainly active on the dutch OSM list. We develop a mobile (and web) application, called Nulaz.: http://www.nulaz.com. It uses OSM data for the maps on mobile, as can be seen at

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Popper attribution on mobile map?

2008-04-27 Thread SteveC
On 25 Apr 2008, at 16:50, Martijn Pannevis wrote: Let me say this again: I didn't want to annoy anyone, we do want to adhere to the OSM license, but I just want to know how to do that best. Look, I've told you what has been advised to everyone in a similar situation to you. All of those

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Cloudmade

2008-10-03 Thread SteveC
On 3 Oct 2008, at 14:39, Adrian wrote: I could tell you about our plans for ice cream gloves but I think this does it better: The difference being that you are planning on trading off of the back of the goodwill of many other people. I don't think it is unreasonable for those people

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-10-22 Thread SteveC
All I've received back general comments from Wilson Sonsini (http://www.wsgr.com/WSGR/Index.aspx ) on the latest draft. My next task is to review those comments and feed them back to this list, review the use cases on the wiki and feed those to Wilson Sonsini and probably take a call or

[OSM-legal-talk] Update from the plane

2008-10-24 Thread SteveC
So I've looked through the changes back from wilson sonsini and as they suggest they need clarification. Mostly they are minor or reducing a few repetitive sentences here and there. Personally I don't think waving around this list the document with tracked changes switched on is going to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Contact Info For Tom Hughes Regarding Public Domain Mailing List

2008-10-25 Thread SteveC
On 25 Oct 2008, at 11:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: What I don't like about share-alike is the small-minded attempt to codify this giving away into something legally binding. To me, this is deeply based in a negativist, paranoid world view where everyone is out to cheat you. ... which is

[OSM-legal-talk] Seeing lawyers tomorrow morning

2008-10-29 Thread SteveC
pacific time, agenda as posted here is to build reasons for comments, engage jordan where possible and hopefully go through use cases. Will post the results when I have them. Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Seeing lawyers tomorrow morning

2008-10-31 Thread SteveC
phrased one way or the other and that may be a particular flourish of Jordans or relate to specific case law and Wilson Sonsini would like a deeper understanding of those things. Best Steve On 29 Oct 2008, at 21:45, SteveC wrote: pacific time, agenda as posted here is to build reasons

[OSM-legal-talk] License update

2008-11-24 Thread SteveC
All Our lawyer has had a chat with Jordan (the original author of the ODbL). I spoke with Jordan this morning and he has a list of suggested changes with explanations from our lawyer which he is reviewing. I expect and hope this stage to be a simple review process before taking the next

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mass import of TeleAtlas data

2009-02-07 Thread SteveC
Albertas - we will look urgently at this. On 7 Feb 2009, at 12:57, Liz wrote: On Sun, 8 Feb 2009, Albertas Agejevas wrote: I am bringing this up in the public forum again as our correspondence with the OSMF secretary Andy Robinson appears to have no results. On 7 October 2008 Andy informed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License working group meeting minutes - 2/2/2009

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
I disagree Grant I think the first agenda item should be how to pull in more people, how to open up the process and have people contribute and connect better now that the license is finally out. Best Steve On 4 Mar 2009, at 15:09, Grant Slater wrote: License working group meeting minutes

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License working group meeting minutes - 2/2/2009

2009-03-04 Thread SteveC
Oh my fault, sorry On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:04, Grant Slater wrote: SteveC wrote: I disagree Grant I think the first agenda item should be how to pull in more people, how to open up the process and have people contribute and connect better now that the license is finally out. Confusion

[OSM-legal-talk] OSMF lawyer call

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
Dear all Today the license working group had a 2 hour phone call with OSMFs council to run through a large number of open issues, use cases and so on which had been generated on the wiki and this list.. We found it super useful and we're planning another soon. Grant is collating the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL RC and share-alike licensing of Produced Works

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
On 6 May 2009, at 16:04, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Mike Collinson wrote: The new text is available at http://www.opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/ and includes diff versions so that you can see clearly what changes are made. With 0.9, we identified the problem of produced works not being

[OSM-legal-talk] Produced Work

2009-05-06 Thread SteveC
Hi We've put together a practical definition for the OSMFs point of view on what a substantial extract is, or isn't http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Substantial_Defined And we'd like help similarly with building a practical definition of Produced Work. Here's how

[OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks

2009-05-08 Thread SteveC
Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we thought it would be good to flesh them out

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] SOTM legal talks

2009-05-12 Thread SteveC
at 01:24, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Hi We, the legal working group have been asked as a result of a chat in the SOTM working group call (which mike and I were also on) to propose talk(s) about the license at SOTM. Today in our call we brainstormed a little around a few ideas and we

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OGC Geospatial Rights Management Summit

2009-06-08 Thread SteveC
I could in theory make it, and I even considered it for about 10 seconds... but I couldn't think what I'd get out of it other than frustration. DRM for maps, sorry GeoDRM... what can you say but FAIL ? Best Steve On 5 Jun 2009, at 08:10, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: Hi all, Maybe this is

[OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-06-24 Thread SteveC
Dear all One of the things that's resulted from getting help with the license process is that it's been noticed we don't have a lot of the legal furniture, and thus protection and clarity, found frequently elsewhere. We've been offered some fairly standard privacy and terms of use

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-06-29 Thread SteveC
On 29 Jun 2009, at 17:11, SteveC wrote: On 26 Jun 2009, at 14:57, Peter Miller wrote: On 24 Jun 2009, at 06:56, SteveC wrote: Dear all One of the things that's resulted from getting help with the license process is that it's been noticed we don't have a lot of the legal furniture

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Adding UK post box information

2009-07-14 Thread SteveC
On 13 Jul 2009, at 18:58, Gervase Markham wrote: On 08/07/09 12:13, Stephen Gower wrote: Actually, for what it's worth (probably very little) the very original file is provided as a PDF on the section of http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/location_of_every_post_box_that marked from

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Fwd: [OSM-talk] copyright problem with data copiedfrom a map

2009-08-17 Thread SteveC
On 17 Aug 2009, at 11:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/17 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: You may wish to set up a Belgium equivalent for this page to act as a record of such reverts. As you can see we have been having some problems of our own.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-09-01 Thread SteveC
On 25 Aug 2009, at 03:35, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Gustav Foseid wrote: This is basically a mashup based on Google Maps. I was unaware that Google have claimed any rights over POIs added in such mashups (Google My Maps or other sites). Could you provide some more details? Getting any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] introduction and some questions

2009-09-15 Thread SteveC
bouncing to legal-tak On 14 Sep 2009, at 21:49, Ori Mor wrote: Steve, Thank you for your help and quick response! Please forward to whom you see fit. Best regards and again many thanks Ori From: SteveC st...@asklater.com To: Ori Mor mor_...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] OS map copyright expiry dates, FOI request

2009-09-30 Thread SteveC
On 30 Sep 2009, at 04:50, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: I've mad a further FOI request to the OS today seeking clarification with respect to those OS maps that do not carry a Crown Copyright (c) date. This is the case with a lot of the First edition 1:25,000 sheets which

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Open Maps Data

2009-10-11 Thread SteveC
bouncing to legal-talk Yours c. Steve On 7 Oct 2009, at 18:50, Brendan Bowen wrote: Hi Steve, I have a question about OSM. I am currently producing some graphics to be used in a documentary, that will most likely be aired on Australian television, on DVD, and possibly the web in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Printable OpenStreetMap for Travel Journal

2009-10-11 Thread SteveC
Bouncing to legal... Yours c. Steve On 6 Oct 2009, at 15:36, joelrsad...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Steve, I'm sure you are inundated with emails everyday so I hesitate to add one more to your inbox. I've searched the wiki as best as I can but could not find the answer to my question. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [odc-discuss] Draft of an Open Data Commons Attribution License

2010-01-12 Thread SteveC
Rufus Awesome this is happening, but the name is wrong. We don't need a OKFNODCAL, and even the ODbL can be shortened, we need something that they all share and then we also need a NC version. I suggest it's just something like OD for OpenDatabase in place of CC, so that you get OD-BY-SA as

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [odc-discuss] Draft of an Open Data Commons Attribution License

2010-01-12 Thread SteveC
On Jan 12, 2010, at 8:58 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: then we also need a NC version. NC licenses are not compatible with OKFN's own definition of Open Knowledge, Paragraph 8: (quote) 8. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor The license must not restrict

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [odc-discuss] Draft of an Open Data Commons Attribution License

2010-01-12 Thread SteveC
You're right we should just give up. Yours c. Steve On Jan 12, 2010, at 10:53 AM, jonathon wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 13:35, SteveC wrote: we also need a NC version. Need? Problem # 1: Define Non-Commercial Usage. Problem # 2: Define Commercial Usage. Problem # 3: What

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?

2010-06-02 Thread SteveC
The LWG has been working with council on similar infringement cases. I suggest this gets added. As an aside, this is exactly what happened to some of my work a few years ago. On Jun 2, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Phil Monger wrote: So I was looking through some cycle books, as you do, when I came

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Potential huge License violation - anyone know anything about this?

2010-06-02 Thread SteveC
That's actually a pretty bad way to resolve the issue, since the publisher is liable for damages and you can absolve them of that and make things far worse by individually contacting or publishing these infringements pre-emptively. Unless you have a law degree. Individuals enforcing

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
On Jul 17, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Anthony wrote: On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 3:04 AM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Rob Myers wrote: Science Commons seem to think copyright doesn't apply to databases no they go much further, they say it shouldn't and that all

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Rob Myers wrote: On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 20:13:02 +1000, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 July 2010 20:07, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: My source for the fact that creativity is not being relied on is the fact that the ODbL doesn't rely on it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License Cut-over and critical mass

2010-07-19 Thread SteveC
On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:53 AM, Simon Ward wrote: On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 11:58:34PM +0100, Emilie Laffray wrote: My point was to mention that the licence is using contract law as one of the mechanism when no other are present, not to use other map providers as a reference or an example to

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