Re: [Talk-gb-midanglia] Cambridgeshire Guided Bus

2009-11-09 Thread Donald Allwright
There are signs for the destinations, and distances. I honestly can't recall if there were bike symbols on them - there may well have been. I clearly remember that the sign had a picture of a walker, a cyclist and a horse rider on it when I was at the Swavesey station. However when I went

Re: [OSM-talk] Field boundaries

2009-09-30 Thread Donald Allwright
Or better still, train dogs to walk only under hedges and fit them with a GPS :-) I can't help thinking that this would open up a whole new genre of geographical-based games, ranging from geocaching (where did I hide that bone?) and orienteering to canine endurance records (my dog walked 100

Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?

2009-09-23 Thread Donald Allwright
From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009 13:44:52 Subject: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database? Whenever we see copyrighted material in OSM, we try to remove it immediately.

Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?

2009-09-23 Thread Donald Allwright
From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 September, 2009 14:57:38 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] deleted copyrighted material technically still in the database?

Re: [OSM-talk] source=(survey, yahoo, gps...)

2009-09-08 Thread Donald Allwright
If there are 10 traces by GPS for a way I think it's out of alignment from the average of them, then I would move it. Irrelevant of what the source tag for the way. Please don't do this unless you have clear evidence it's wrong, you could well be messing up perfectly accurate data. What if

Re: [OSM-talk] GPS gadgets can get you jailed and fined

2009-08-31 Thread Donald Allwright
Wow, such a crazyness... I tried to log a flight with my GPS-enabled cellphone (a Nokia N95), but it didn't worked after a minute. http://sportstracker.nokia.com/nts/workoutdetail/index.do?id=569496 (forgive the google maps background, as this GPX is useless for mapping I didn't uploaded it

Re: [Talk-GB] Estimating coverage

2009-08-11 Thread Donald Allwright
The area figures are obviously including the wet bits. Bristol is half water: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/7019663.stm This article mentions Denny Island - which was absent from OSM. I've now added it from the NPE map, although I don't know whether its location has changed with

Re: [OSM-talk] is_in and similar tags

2009-07-28 Thread Donald Allwright
But until we do, the existing mechanism does no harm, and as I said, you don't always know the boundary while you do know where the place is. Determining the inclusion of every place in the database, even if we had complete information, is massively more complex than simply being told the

Re: [Talk-GB] Roundabout, ways and relationship policies

2009-07-23 Thread Donald Allwright
I'm just trying to think what makes a roundabout a roundabout instead of just a one-way system. So far I've come up with: 1. It is one way in the appropriate direction (clockwise in the UK) 2. All the roads leave/join the outside of the loop (*) 3. It generally isn't very built-up in the

Re: [Talk-GB] Roundabout, ways and relationship policies

2009-07-23 Thread Donald Allwright
How about this one: http://osm.org/go/0EFYMXaIH-- which fulfills all of the above 5 criteria, but just has a 'short-cut' across one side. In this case, each 'junction' on the roundabout is controlled by traffic lights and has between 2 and 5 lanes. I have to navigate it frequently and

Re: [Talk-GB] maxspeed field - what units should we use. etc

2009-06-04 Thread Donald Allwright
if a bot can do it then there's no reason the data consumers can't do it too without the bot. If you don't have a good reason to change something just leave it be. Or alternatively, why not just run the bot on the copy of the data at the input to the renderer*, rather than on the database

Re: [OSM-talk] Languages

2009-05-07 Thread Donald Allwright
Imagine that you plan a business trip to Tel-Aviv and want to print yourself a map of the city. Or maybe you'll be spending a week in Cairo. Can you not see the benefit in having a map with the street names in a different language than the one on the sign? In that case I'd want something

Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import?

2009-05-06 Thread Donald Allwright
From: Pieren pier...@gmail.com To: Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, 6 May, 2009 16:17:51 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Wikipedia POI import? On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: So, if I understand this

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-talk-ie] open street map - what's in it for you?

2009-05-01 Thread Donald Allwright
This is what's in it for me - compare: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=dsource=s_dsaddr=52.190651,0.077049daddr=Grantchester+Rdhl=engeocode=%3BFdRiHAMdNSwBAAmra=dmemrcr=0mrsp=0sz=18sll=52.191479,0.07692sspn=0.002529,0.006974ie=UTF8t=hll=52.191279,0.07713spn=0.004874,0.013947z=17 with

Re: [OSM-talk] Wrong scale in slippy map

2009-04-23 Thread Donald Allwright
If you want it done right, then your scale bar has detatchable end points. You drag one end of the scale bar to one end of the feature, the other to the other, and then the scale bar warps itself into a great-circle curve and tells you how long it is. Which would actually be an incredibly cool

Re: [OSM-talk] just feels like time for a poem

2009-03-26 Thread Donald Allwright
edible map? nom nom nom It's hard to see how an inedible map could be deliciously open. :-) On 26 Mar 2009, at 15:11, Mikel Maron wrote: ooo-dee-bee-ell sure does feel like hell! lightning rods, lengthy flames where we going to assign the blame? hey! forget the naming names finger

Re: [Talk-GB] Free National Grid Vector Layers for gas and electricity?

2009-03-16 Thread Donald Allwright
Also, I suspect that selling maps is a nice little earner for people such as the land registry, so licensing them all as CC-BY-SA isn't in their interest (as much as it may be in the tax payer's interest). And that, I believe, is the crux of the problem. The people who get to decide have a

Re: [OSM-talk] Bulk import as a data layer (like gpx currently is)

2009-03-15 Thread Donald Allwright
Of course the editor should show everything available, but that doesn't mean it couldn't be stored in separate databases or displayed in separate layers. It just needs smarter software. Maybe we could get round this by keeping it all in one database, but adding a separate tag to denote where

Re: [OSM-talk] What if ODBl 1.0 is superseeded by ODBl 2.0

2009-03-05 Thread Donald Allwright
May be the FAQ should point out what could be the trouble to switch from ODBL 1.0 to ODBl 2.0, just in case some oversight become evident in the future. I would be very keen to take a leaf out of the GPL world here, and license the data under ODBL 1.0 or later. That means if and when 2.0 comes

Re: [OSM-talk] What if ODBl 1.0 is superseeded by ODBl 2.0

2009-03-05 Thread Donald Allwright
I would be very keen to take a leaf out of the GPL world here, and license the data under ODBL 1.0 or later. That means if and when 2.0 comes out (which it surely will) the data are automatically covered by the new version. When 2.0 does come out, that changes to ODBL 2.0 or later for all

Re: [OSM-talk] Rights of way again

2009-03-03 Thread Donald Allwright
Tracks known to be private (something the Ordnance Survey do not show, and therefore something that could be a big advantage over OS maps) could be overlaid by a transparent red line to indicate do not go here. I personally would be very wary of this approach, as known to be private can be a

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-28 Thread Donald Allwright
From: David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com The 'significant' bit is not the point: it only needs people to have made *insignificant* changes to other people's *significant* changes (including original mapping) to be invalidated. Linking this chain of thought with the one that myself and

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Donald Allwright
If someone has put one church on the map, or removed an 'n' from 'Avennue', or even just done the uncreative monkey-work of tracing over Yahoo imagery, I take exception to this. I have spent many a long winter night (over two winters!) adding almost all the lakes and rivers of Peru to OSM (for

Re: [OSM-talk] License plan

2009-02-27 Thread Donald Allwright
Even in the UK, which follows the sweat of the brow principle (i.e. copyright can be gained through effort even without creativity), such effort needs to be significant. Sorry I meant to add at the end of my previous email - what I was saying is that tracing of satellite imagery can be

Re: [OSM-talk] Locating objects in Google Maps/Earth

2009-02-24 Thread Donald Allwright
Please don't use Google Maps when doing OSM. It's just not worth the risk. I understand that this is a safe and wise rule, but as Wikimedia Commons' site suggests (and Nic's reply, commenting on talk-legal discussions), there may be a fair use (or fair dealing) for rectifying the location of an

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tag-Proposal] Freifunk/Mesh nodes + links

2009-01-29 Thread Donald Allwright
From: Sven Rautenberg s...@rtbg.de To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 29 January, 2009 10:34:03 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] [Tag-Proposal] Freifunk/Mesh nodes + links Linus Lüssing schrieb: In my opinion Freifunk and OpenStreetMap are both very good and

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a bridge not a bridge?

2009-01-22 Thread Donald Allwright
From: David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com To: osm talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, 22 January, 2009 13:51:16 Subject: [OSM-talk] When is a bridge not a bridge? In view of some changes that I've seen going through in my area recently, I'd be interested

Re: [Talk-GB] Fix My Street

2009-01-16 Thread Donald Allwright
Just thought I'd mention a very useful UK based website. FixMyStreet.com is a project run by the MySociety people. I mention it because we are the one riding around all the time, and we will be bound to notice mistakes like incorrect street names etc, or even the less mundane pot holes. To

Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom

2009-01-15 Thread Donald Allwright
Software can only gues the language of the default name from an identical name value with a specified language. eg: name=Venezia name:en=Venice name:sl=Benetke name:de=Venedig ... can additonally be tagged with name:it=Venezia This could be used to make nice maps of default languages, if only it

Re: [OSM-talk] Indiscrimate layering

2008-12-19 Thread Donald Allwright
His argument was that there may be places where you face legal trouble for mapping and we need to allow these people to remain unidentifiable. I think this is a valid argument, but can be resolved with a series of disposable account names. The advantage of this over simple anonymous edits

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM in top 100 websites

2008-12-18 Thread Donald Allwright
I like the comment for Where’s the Path: “Let down by OS's absurd OpenSpace restrictions.” and if you try clicking on that site, you'll discover it's let down by what appears to be a restriction on the number of page hits imposed by OS. Presumably that limit has been reached today as a

Re: [OSM-talk] Unification of OpenStreetBugs an Trac

2008-12-03 Thread Donald Allwright
I agree that where the bug tracker starts being used for mapping- related things, then the boundaries start to blur. But I'd still suggest that the only difference between an OSB ticket and a software bug ticket is the method of submission. After that, it's triaged and managed in the

Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?

2008-12-01 Thread Donald Allwright
In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more roads please? ;) I think you'll find that if you start mapping footpaths, it'll at least partly solve the problem. Footpaths, by definition, cannot (legally) be cycled on so you have to do them on foot. Which means your

Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?

2008-12-01 Thread Donald Allwright
At 9:00am on a Sunday morning, the meaning of no cycling on urban footpaths mysteriously disappears :-) Unfortunately the mud doesn't, which if Saturday is anything to go by would have been a bit too much for my non-mountain bike :-) The real challenge as has been pointed out is the white

Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?

2008-12-01 Thread Donald Allwright
It's very common in Bolivia at least that river have very different water levels, is there a tag for this? Usually you have a large riverbed and then a very small river running in the middle for most part of the year, and then sometimes it will flood all the way up to the riverbanks. I have

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey tries to reinforce its stranglehold over derived geographic data in the UK

2008-11-20 Thread Donald Allwright
From today's Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/nov/20/ordnance-survey-google-maps (not reference to OpenStreetMap towards the end). and the letter from OS which provoked it: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk/docs/use-of-google-maps-for-display-and-promotion.pdf David This

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey tries to reinforce its stranglehold over derived geographic data in the UK

2008-11-20 Thread Donald Allwright
I had some contact with the RoW officer at Cambridgeshire County Council recently (he was pointing out that we had a footway down as a cycleway, though it still is because I didn't think I could use his info based as it was on an OS base map!) Now that's an angle I'd not thought of before! So

Re: [OSM-talk] Ordnance Survey tries to reinforce its stranglehold over derived geographic data in the UK

2008-11-20 Thread Donald Allwright
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access foot = yes = legal right of way foot = permissive = permissive path Unfortunately, Potlatch has been adding lots of * = yes for a while by default, so it's hard to tell whether the contributor understands the implications of the =yes tags and

Re: [OSM-talk] Recommendations for a new GPS Device?

2008-10-16 Thread Donald Allwright
I've been using my old N95 for a while now to get my GPS traces, but unfortunatly it's decided to finally give up. So, i'm in the market for a new GPS device. I'd preferebly like a standalone device but i'm not shunning away from any bluetooth devices, as lugging around a EeePC in a backpack is

Re: [OSM-talk] POI by coordinates

2008-10-16 Thread Donald Allwright
One should certainly not add information to OSM that is copyrighted, protected by database rights or otherwise protected. There is a difference between being careful and paranoid, however. Sigh.there is nothing wrong with adding information that is copyrighted or otherwise protected. The

Re: [OSM-talk] POI by coordinates

2008-10-16 Thread Donald Allwright
Ryszard Mikke wrote: Ummm... Why is that so? Does that mean that I can't use WikiMapia for it as well? Cause that is what I've actually done... It sounds like all you want is a way to place a specific point of interest in OSM, after having already placed it in wikimapia.org. I would recommend

Re: [OSM-talk] Example of Multipolygon Lake/Islands?

2008-09-28 Thread Donald Allwright
From: Ian Dees [EMAIL PROTECTED] Can anyone provide a permalink to an example of a lake that uses the multipolygon relation to handle islands? I remember having a link to such an example a while ago but I seem to have lost it. Have a look at Lake Titicaca:

Re: [OSM-talk] Phone numbers in OSM

2008-08-22 Thread Donald Allwright
This is assuming current levels of activity - where at present, most effort of contributors is put into mapping unmapped areas. This will change. I agree it will change - but probably the change will be that a good proportion of the mappers lose interest because there's nothing to do (or at

Re: [OSM-talk] Isle of Man coastline issue

2008-08-11 Thread Donald Allwright
Frederik Ramm schrieb: Hi, 2008/8/7 Dan Karran [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have any ideas about what might be causing this tile to render as an all-land tile? I had tried in the past few days to render this as a mixed tile (through the informationfreeway.org interface but

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik large rievrs

2008-06-11 Thread Donald Allwright
Areas tagged with the tag waterway = rivebank http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:waterway%3Driverbank do not seem to be rendering in Mapnik. I've noticed that you need to add natural=water, then it renders OK in mapnik. However, either the wiki should be updated to say this, or if

Re: [OSM-talk] Enabling communities to use OSM as a planning tool

2008-06-04 Thread Donald Allwright
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lat night I attended a steering group meeting for my local Connect2 [1] project in north east Birmingham [2]. One of the things that the group could benefit from is rapid response on mapping so that it can

[OSM-talk] Islands in lakes

2008-05-29 Thread Donald Allwright
Hi All, Can anyone explain what's gone wrong here: http://www.informationfreeway.org/?lat=-15.756477951963221lon=-69.56994035747516zoom=12layers=B000F000F ? Following the discussions last week about how to tag islands in lakes so that they render properly, I've gone round and re-worked the