Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Soviet military topographic maps

[Maxim Dubinin]

you don't think that only Soviet did that, right?

There is evidence, that GNS data (based on US military series) on at
least part of territory of Russia was likewise borrowed from Soviet
topomaps. No way they can systematically get names of specific
geographic features otherwise.

Everyone spied on everyone and I guess continue to do so.

Maxim

Вы писали 1 июля 2010 г., 6:01:10:

L On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Jaak Laineste wrote:
  Unfourtunatly
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_Soviet_Union does not
 mention anything about maps. Were soviet military maps
 subject of copyright within USSR at all? This seems to be the key
 question.
 
 According to my common sense, there are several ways how I could
 protect my stuff (software, maps, images etc), main ones:
 a) copyright laws, automatic
 b) try to keep it secret
 c) patents, trademarks

L I read the whole article and decided that USSR copyright was issued to
L creative works, of which a map is usually one.
L Whether copyright extends to facts on the map is not mentioned.

L Very interesting, with the boot on the other foot is the statement from 
UK's
L Ordnance Survey claiming that the Russian maps must be stolen from their
L mapping
L http://images.jomidav.com/sovietmaps/OS%20Statement.pdf
L a claim which has been thoroughly disputed by map scholars reviewing the
L actual maps
L http://images.jomidav.com/sovietmaps/unclejoe1.pdf
L and 
L http://images.jomidav.com/sovietmaps/unclejoe2.pdf


L Checked Russian maps of Australia available on the internet and most 
L disappointed. One gold mining area in low resolution only.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Russia becoming more open with mapping?

[Maxim Dubinin]

This is a good step forward, but please don't buy it that easily.

Famous map collectioner (no economic profit whatsoever!) just sentenced for 4
years in jail. No fun.

Right now we're in discussion another emerging investigation with a
paraplanerist who is 'remote sensing' with his Canon.

More government control and spending on mapping related stuff - yes.
More openness and less regulations or at least clarity - no.

Russian government does not have required regulations for 'public' geodata -
a somewhat official answer from the cadaster authority is sitting on my desk 
telling:

Me: Is this data public
Them: Yes, according to state law blahblahblah this data is public.
Me: Does it mean we can do this and that with it?
Them: Regulations on this topic do not exist.

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Maxim
http://gis-lab.info


Вы писали 25 июня 2010 г., 20:00:23:

JS Mapping and cadastral information for Russia have not previously been
JS openly and freely available. These products were edited, cen­sored
JS often and in many cases the work was simply not completed, thus the
JS framework for building a modern digital cadastre system did not exist.
JS Times change and the situation changes, and it is rapidly changing for
JS the better.

JS http://www.vector1media.com/vectorone/?p=5802

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