Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a plane from when they posted up until now. On 13 Aug 2008, at 04:30, J.D. Schmidt wrote: Iván Sánchez Ortega skrev: El Lunes, 11 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interest ingness A friend of mine (thanks, rinzewind!) points me to this entry in the flickr's developers blog: http://blog.flickr.net/en/2008/08/12/around-the-world-and-back-again/ Cheers, Good find ! Now someone just needs to get in touch with them, and suggest that they use OSM data for IoM and Cyprus among other places. And then get that pressrelease out about it, in cooperation with the Flickr dudes, to the oldstyle media. The more innovative ways OSM data is used, and the more that is is publized and evangilized through both oldstyle and newstyle (read Web based non-deadtree) media, the better. Just my 0.01 sqkm worth... Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
El Miércoles, 13 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió: Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a plane from when they posted up until now. Steve, You have to switch to faster airlines. ;-) -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.25-2-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.9, and PHP 5.2.6-2+b1 generating this signature. Uptime: 10:13:17 up 13 days, 8:22, 4 users, load average: 0.71, 0.75, 0.58 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
I guess Cloudmade's VC funding doesnt quite stretch to buy Steve a Gulfstream G550. What a shame :-) Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Miércoles, 13 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió: Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a plane from when they posted up until now. Steve, You have to switch to faster airlines. ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk begin:vcard fn:Patrick Weber n:Weber;Patrick org:University College London;Department of Managment Science adr:;;Gower Street;London;;WC1E 6BT;United Kingdom email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Engineering Doctorate Student tel;work:02077185430 tel;cell:07854840450 note:Please note I only pick up my office voicemail sporadically url:http://www.ucl.ac.uk/msi version:2.1 end:vcard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Iván Sánchez Ortega skrev: El Miércoles, 13 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió: Guys I've been in contact with them throughout to help this happen, I guess that wasn't clear. I had planned a blog post but have been on a plane from when they posted up until now. Steve, You have to switch to faster airlines. ;-) Warning : Tongue in cheek post in progress: After the A380 has entered regular service with SQuidAir (Singapore Airlines) Steve has planned to relocate his permanent residence to one of the flats on first class aboard their A380's - The funds that CloudMade has gotten must not go to waste you know. The problem is that Connexion By Boing has shut down, so no internet connection anymore while airborne. He is working on that though, using USB thumbdrives to store blogposts and other data to be dissiminated online - OUFDO AKA OpenUSBFlashdriveDropOff.org is coming online, as soon as he has gotten enough people interested in waiting at the airports served by Singapore Airlines. The link with OSM is appearent on the OUFDO signup page, since any USBCouriers must map the routes taken to and from the airports and upload the corresponding tracklogs to OSM. Amazing what a little ingeniuity and some seed funds from investors can lead to :P Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ -- A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works are automatically put under the new license, however. -- This is direct from the CC site, and implies that they do not believe that there is an automatic upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 Well, they (Yahoo!) haven't automatically upgraded it. They have taken our CC-BY-SA 2.0 licensed work and manually republished it under a new, but compatible license. It is their copy that is licensed under 3.0, ours is still 2.0. The 2.0 license allows them to do this. What nobody can do is wave a magic wand and say that all copies are now CC-BY-SA 3.0. That's what I believe CC mean by saying that there is no automatic upgrade. Best switch this thread to legal-talk, if you want to discuss further. 80n Cheers, Mungewell. ___ talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 07:35:46AM +0200, Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, Jannis Achstetter escribió: By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't just say: You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us. Well, I think we'll have to fight fire with fire in this case. In fact, I discovered the same error in both the cadastrial (read: goverment) cartography, and TeleAtlas'. I'll have to pay a visit to the cadastre office in early september, and see how they enforce the copyrights. Hm. Maybe that is because TeleAtlas buys maps from government as basis for their work? They have been known to do that... Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 07:23:41AM +0200, Jannis Achstetter wrote: One thing I just noticed: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=49.9993fLon=9.0702zl=1order_by=interestingness Since when is my street (Anne-Frank-Straße) correct in Navteq (and partly in Teleatlas)? (compare: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=9.0705496lat=49.999133z=17) And: since when does Navteq have our McDonalds? (and why does it look exactly the same as in OSM?): http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=49.9939fLon=9.0707zl=1order_by=interestingness (compare: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=9.0715581lat=49.9946776z=17) Whats your point? I see some streets in a TeleAtlas/NavTeq/OSM maps that overlap at some points and don't at some others. And why does the McDonalds things look the same? Maybe because we are living in the same reality and have surveyed the same place? From the maps you have shown I certainly can't see any evidence or even a hint that data has been copied there. By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't just say: You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us. If it is large scale copying, somebody will notice sooner or later. If it is only something here or there it doesn't matter anyway. Jochen -- Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.remote.org/jochen/ +49-721-388298 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness What is the appropriate flickr/yahoo support address to bug them to add the OSM layer to other areas on the flickr map? The area I'm in only has a very rough outline of the geography [1] and would benefit from it. 1. http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=hlat=64.136824lon=-21.883564zoom=14 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
When I navigate to this link, I don't see any attribution. This could be a browser issue, so I'm just curious what the rest of you are getting. Oliver On 8/11/08, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Hi, I see the attribution in the very bottom left hand corner in both Firefox on Ubuntu and Safari on Mac OS X. Shaun Oliver Lewis wrote: When I navigate to this link, I don't see any attribution. This could be a browser issue, so I'm just curious what the rest of you are getting. Oliver On 8/11/08, *SteveC* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Seeing other websites use OSM's data or tiles is not noticeable any more. Steve, please drop that irritating inferiority complex. OSM is a great thing. Really. Regards, Lucas De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] en nombre de SteveC Enviado el: lun 11/08/2008 23:39 Para: OSM Talk Asunto: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Seeing other websites use OSM's data or tiles is not noticeable any more. Steve, please drop that irritating inferiority complex. OSM is a great thing. Really. I think that's pretty unfair - flickr isn't just another website, it's an incredibly popular one. Having someone like that be willing (and able) to use OSM is a significant thing IMO. -dair ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.refnum.com/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:39 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness What is the appropriate flickr/yahoo support address to bug them to add the OSM layer to other areas on the flickr map? The area I'm in only has a very rough outline of the geography [1] and would benefit from it. 1. http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=hlat=64.136824lon=-21.883564zoom=14 I would agree 100%, the board (and all of us) should write to thank then and suggest that they make OpenStreetMaps available to cover the rest of the world (data is cheep/filtering specific areas is expensive). On a small point, they quote CC-SA 3.0. Isn't our data CC-SA 2.0?? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/License From: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ -- A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works are automatically put under the new license, however. -- Cheers, Mungewell. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ -- A new version of this license is available. You should use it for new works, and you may want to relicense existing works under it. No works are automatically put under the new license, however. -- This is direct from the CC site, and implies that they do not believe that there is an automatic upgrade from 2.0 to 3.0 Well, they (Yahoo!) haven't automatically upgraded it. They have taken our CC-BY-SA 2.0 licensed work and manually republished it under a new, but compatible license. It is their copy that is licensed under 3.0, ours is still 2.0. The 2.0 license allows them to do this. What nobody can do is wave a magic wand and say that all copies are now CC-BY-SA 3.0. That's what I believe CC mean by saying that there is no automatic upgrade. Best switch this thread to legal-talk, if you want to discuss further. 80n Cheers, Mungewell. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
El Lunes, 11 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interest ingness A friend of mine (thanks, rinzewind!) points me to this entry in the flickr's developers blog: http://blog.flickr.net/en/2008/08/12/around-the-world-and-back-again/ Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tanto tiempo yendo a misa y resulta que ahora ya hay comuniones y bautizos light. Creo que me voy a hacer la circuncisión pero sin operar. -- S.A.A. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Iván Sánchez Ortega skrev: El Lunes, 11 de Agosto de 2008, SteveC escribió: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interest ingness A friend of mine (thanks, rinzewind!) points me to this entry in the flickr's developers blog: http://blog.flickr.net/en/2008/08/12/around-the-world-and-back-again/ Cheers, Good find ! Now someone just needs to get in touch with them, and suggest that they use OSM data for IoM and Cyprus among other places. And then get that pressrelease out about it, in cooperation with the Flickr dudes, to the oldstyle media. The more innovative ways OSM data is used, and the more that is is publized and evangilized through both oldstyle and newstyle (read Web based non-deadtree) media, the better. Just my 0.01 sqkm worth... Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] osm in flickr
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Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
Very cool! Been panning around, is it just Beijing? No Isle of Man? ;) On 8/11/08, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
D Tucny skrev: 2008/8/12 Tim Waters (chippy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Very cool! Been panning around, is it just Beijing? No Isle of Man? ;) Looks like it's just Beijing... I'd guess due to the lack of Yahoo map coverage and the current large interest in Beijing... for some reason ;) d Someone from the OSMF presscontact division ( Hi SteveC :P) should really make a pressrelease about the symbiotic relationship between Yahoo and OSM coming full circle - OSM was allowed to use the sat imagery Yahoo maps displayed, and now Yahoo benefits from being able to display OSM maps on their Flickr photosite worldmap. This time, don't /. it, but send the pressrelease to CNN and similar Old Media companies. Remember to tell in the pressrelease, that Beijing isn't the only area where OSM has more and better data, than commercial geoproviders... Cyprus, IoM etc are good examples to mention. If others can capitalize on the Olympic Games mediainterest, why shouldn't we also ? Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
SteveC schrieb: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=39.912fLon=116.3783zl=4order_by=interestingness Yap, I really do like this ;) One thing I just noticed: http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=49.9993fLon=9.0702zl=1order_by=interestingness Since when is my street (Anne-Frank-Straße) correct in Navteq (and partly in Teleatlas)? (compare: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=9.0705496lat=49.999133z=17) And: since when does Navteq have our McDonalds? (and why does it look exactly the same as in OSM?): http://www.flickr.com/map?fLat=49.9939fLon=9.0707zl=1order_by=interestingness (compare: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=9.0715581lat=49.9946776z=17) Either Navteq re-surveyed my town or they just copied. (Well, I didn't say anything) By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't just say: You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us. Jannis smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] osm in flickr
El Martes, 12 de Agosto de 2008, Jannis Achstetter escribió: By the way: How can WE as a project find out when someone uses our data and publishes them without contribution? I mean in commercial maps you have these little known mistakes but we try to avoid them so we can't just say: You have this mistake in your map so you copied from us. Well, I think we'll have to fight fire with fire in this case. In fact, I discovered the same error in both the cadastrial (read: goverment) cartography, and TeleAtlas'. I'll have to pay a visit to the cadastre office in early september, and see how they enforce the copyrights. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] Proudly running Debian Linux with 2.6.25-2-amd64 kernel, KDE 3.5.9, and PHP 5.2.6-2+b1 generating this signature. Uptime: 07:33:54 up 12 days, 5:43, 4 users, load average: 0.95, 0.80, 0.74 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
