2014-10-24 9:20 GMT+02:00 Paul Norman penor...@mac.com:
On Oct 23, 2014, at 03:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering
current turmoil.
Leaving aside any question about the merits of this, I don't believe it
On Oct 23, 2014, at 03:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering
current turmoil.
Leaving aside any question about the merits of this, I don't believe it is
possible. Notice has been given of the AGM, and an
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 03:47:03PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote:
In theory, the OSMF members are the boss and board is just a group of
people asked by the members to run business for them until they convene
next time. In similar organisations I know in Germany, it is absolutely
not
Am 23.10.2014 08:22, schrieb Sarah Hoffmann:
..
It very clear states the obligations of a board member with respect to
board meetings and transparency. How does the board hold its individual
members accountable for following the rules of order? How can the
OSMF membership hold board
There has been some discussion between Michael, the board and myself on
changing the inner workings of the OSMF a bit which potentially could
address some of the remaining issues, however these are at a very early
discussion stage.
Simon, would you care to shed light on this? This seems
Simon Poole wrote:
Kathleen Danielson wrote:
That said, I would like to voice my support for Richard's
suggestion that the full board step down.
It simply is a very unrealistic option given that it would require a
mechanism that doesn't exist to force all board members to resign.
Absolutely
Hi,
On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board
members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start.
A radical step, but I like it. I'd be more than happy to withdraw my
candidacy if there was a spirit
Hi,
On 10/23/2014 08:22 AM, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:
The problem is that I don't see where the membership has any leverge on
the board apart from the elections. We have had discussions about
transparency before but they have been utterly fruitless so far. A good
part of the current members has
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
End of hypothetical situation. It is obvious that something has gone
wrong, but what, and how could it have been better? Can we expect board
members to report to the membership about the (perceived?) lack of
performance
Sorry-- looks like I forgot to copy the whole list.
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Frederik,
You've got a few really interesting ideas in here. Some quick questions:
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Frederik Ramm
Sorry for sounding like a broken record to some: there are no EGMs or
AGMs any more under UK law, there are simply general meetings, there is
not even a requirement to have any at all (that is why we are suggesting
adding such a clause to the articles at the GM in Argentina) and you
could just as
Hi Kate
2014-10-23 16:37 GMT+02:00 Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
Perhaps the issues in the board is a lack of respect for each other.
I don't see any disrespect from Simon when he referred to you speaking
about you (and others) wishing to see more OSMF members.
On the other hand I
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Kathleen Danielson
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
What if we had some sort of compromise, and we asked the membership if we
could hold another AGM in 3 months, followed 2 weeks (or so) later by an
election? We've already talked about decoupling it from
2014-10-22 8:53 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch:
What if we introduce a rule that one can write a message in English and
then, for clarity, the version of the same message in another human
language? If there is an original idea, it does not matter much in what
language
On the Wikimedia Foundation web site there is a page with all financial
reports:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Financial_reports
Where can I find the financial reports of the OpenStreetMap Foundation?
Thanks,
Micru
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-22 11:40 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com:
Where can I find the financial reports of the OpenStreetMap Foundation?
you can go to the homepage, click on main page:
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page
then on Finances and you will get some information:
Hi Martin,
thanks for the link. What about annual plans and community reviews? Where
can I see them?
Sorry for my ignorance about how to find this information...
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-10-22 11:40 GMT+02:00 David Cuenca
Am 22.10.2014 11:48, schrieb David Cuenca:
Hi Martin,
thanks for the link. What about annual plans and community reviews?
Where can I see them?
David,
The WMF has a considerable amount of resources available both in funds
and in people. It is a very Apples and Oranges comparison, which
btw, there should be a all values in GBP or similar on this page:
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Finances/Balance_Sheet_2012
Well I can fix that at least (done)
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Simon,
I was not asking to emulate the WMF, I was asking because I am not familiar
with the internal procedures of the OSMF.
But yes, after checking the numbers both organizations are not comparable,
at all.
From this thread it seemed that there were serious issues, but seeing all
what has been
[this was originally posted to osmf-talk; I'm not a member of OSMF so
can't reply to it there. I'm also breaking my self-imposed discipline of
not posting to the talk@ list for this, but I figure it's important]
Sarah Hoffman wrote:
while checking the candidate list for the upcoming board
Hi Richard,
I think you're right to post this here. While it is a matter of how the
foundation board functions and pertains specifically to the election, I
think that it would be preferable to have this discussion in a more open
forum. I replied to the post in the osmf-talk list, but I'm
Hi,
On 10/21/14 13:42, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
more interested in what we (as
members) can do to make it a more functional place.
Even when I was not a board member, I tended to be a little bit
frustrated by how little the OSMF membership in general were interested
in what their board (or
Am 21.10.2014 15:33, schrieb moltonel 3x Combo:
On 21/10/2014, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Sarah Hoffman wrote:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frederik_Ramm/2014_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto
That was a disheartening read.
The transparency issue is the one
Hi,
This is an unhappy read. I am stunned that the board members don't
have access to the bank registers. How can any decisions be made about
the servers, STOM, fundraising effectiveness, etc without having a
handle on the cash? The foundation handles so little money, it should
be very simple
Oliver is seldom seen on the mailing lists, you might want to cc his
board email oli...@osmfoundation.org
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Jason,
I suspect you are slightly over interpreting what has been said up to
now. Our accountant and the treasurer have control of the back accounts
and I wouldn't expect to have direct access (nor likely other board
members). The board has relied on the treasurer for cash management and
I have
Hi,
I wonder why we're discussing here everything else but what Frederik
mentioned in his manifesto and in this reply above.
Richard voted that the board should stand down.
I can't oversea the situation but I tend to give our colleages a
second chance to fix things.
I do that also knowing that
Hi All,
I felt I should speak up as the newest board member. I certainly think
there are things that OSMF could do to function better as well as the OSMF
Board. I think it can be difficult to move forward when everyone has very
strong feelings about the project, but they sometimes seem at odds
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
One issue is we really have no idea what the OSMF membership wants. We
know what some vocal people who write English well want. What a lot of
communities do to determine this is have a yearly community survey. Simply
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