Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-31 Thread Steve Chilton
Islands are named (on mapnik layer) if you use the place=island tag. Steve Chilton, Learning Support Fellow Manager of e-Learning Academic Development Centre for Learning and Quality Enhancement Middlesex University phone/fax: 020 8411 5355 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-30 Thread Erik Johansson
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can mapnik automatically render names for smaller towns in lower zoom levels if there is room for the labels? Or should we have a mapnik_zoom_level=6 tag? This is a problem for

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-29 Thread Erik Johansson
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Inge Wallin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Names! There are far too few names on the map, especially on low zoom levels. It's difficult to get a feeling for where you are and orient yourself on the map if you cannot find names on the map. The commercial maps show

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-29 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Erik Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Inge Wallin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Names! There are far too few names on the map, especially on low zoom levels. It's difficult to get a feeling for where you are and orient

[OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Inge Wallin
This is a mail that I have been wanting to send for some time, but wanted to think a little more about the subject before I actually did. The topic is how the maps of OpenStreetMap are actually used by ordinary users. I know that the data of OSM is supposed to be used in new exciting ways like

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread David Earl
On 28/07/2008 10:44, Inge Wallin wrote: So the question then becomes, is the current renderings good? For which purposes? Everyone will have their own desires and requirements. To achieve what people want, I think easy configurability is what is needed. Pre-rendered map tiles make that

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, So, what are other use cases for OSM? Are the current OSM renderings good for those use cases? Do we need more different renderings for different use cases? We are not a map rendering project. We are a Geodata collection project. The fact that we have maps at all is more or less to

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Inge Wallin wrote: * Distinctions between roads. In opposition to the case for names, there are too many roads on the large scale maps. Here is what the current map looks like around my home city: http://www.openstreetmap.com/?lat=58.33lon=15.408zoom=10layers=0B0FTF There is too little

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, It's quite telling that if you look on the UK roadgeek site, www.sabre-roads.org.uk (dominated by motorists), they don't quite get OSM: they just whinge about lack of completeness. Same here with pocketnavigation.de... Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ##

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 12:16:53PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: [...] change our maps to make them suitable for your purpose, but we should enable YOU to create maps that are suitable for your purpose and others with the same requirements. Yes, we should. So lets see about the things Inge

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread spaetz
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:21:05PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The biggest problem around place names is currently that there are only a few levels for places: city, town, village, hamlet and suburb. And there is no way to mark capitals. There is always population=20, etc which can help you

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Douglas Furlong
2008/7/28 spaetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:21:05PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The biggest problem around place names is currently that there are only a few levels for places: city, town, village, hamlet and suburb. And there is no way to mark capitals. There is always

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Jochen Topf
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:48:15PM +0200, spaetz wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:21:05PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The biggest problem around place names is currently that there are only a few levels for places: city, town, village, hamlet and suburb. And there is no way to mark

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Douglas Furlong
2008/7/28 Jochen Topf [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:48:15PM +0200, spaetz wrote: On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 02:21:05PM +0200, Jochen Topf wrote: The biggest problem around place names is currently that there are only a few levels for places: city, town, village, hamlet and

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, * The Logo in the upper left of openstreetmap.org said The Free Wiki World Map (not Geodata Collection). * The first sentence of the text under the logo said OpenStreetMap is a free editable map of the whole world., not ...is a free collection of geo data It's easy to get fooled

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
One would think that getting all of the capitals tagged would be easy, however going and grabbing it from sites linked to google I'm assuming would almost certainly be a no no. Can we use information from wikipedia? For example. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_capitals If

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Sven GrĂ¼ner
spaetz schrieb: There is always population=20, etc which can help you to find the biggest ones. And what prevents us from adding capital=yes to those cities? I don't think that the tagging is insufficient today. OK there might be a more subjective important city tag, and there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Shaun McDonald
Brian Quinion wrote: One would think that getting all of the capitals tagged would be easy, however going and grabbing it from sites linked to google I'm assuming would almost certainly be a no no. Can we use information from wikipedia? For example.

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Brian Quinion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_capitals If I can use that, then I can find all the capitals, and just tag them. How about geonames database - is that usable? We cannot use data from geonames as the data is derived from Google Maps.

Re: [OSM-talk] Actually using OpenStreetMap and the usability of the current maps

2008-07-28 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Jochen Topf wrote: I find 207 000 places in Europe and only 57 000 population tags. I've just done my bit by adding a population tag to Guildford. Only 149,999 places to go -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org