When I expound on why I'm so passionate about contributing towards
OpenStreetMap is this is one of the reasons:
1/ Consider that you've moved into a new area and need to know
* which pharmacy is open the latest
* where the nearest health care centre is
* the quickest route that isn't obstructed
On 29/07/2009, at 5:45 AM, Jack Stringer wrote:
Should we be charging to upgrade businesses details on OSM?
I think it should be free. You could pay OSM to have a OSM member put
all the details onto the map for them, saving them signing up etc. But
I would not like to see charging being the
I strongly disagree with you on this point. If I could use Google Maps to
find plumbers, dentists and web designers, why shouldn't I be able to do it
with OpenStreetMap? Perhaps not on Garmin, but on OSM.org or
OpenStreetBrowser or whatever application that uses OSM data. Maybe it's
just a matter
Arlindo Pereira wrote:
I strongly disagree with you on this point. If I could use Google Maps
to find plumbers, dentists and web designers, why shouldn't I be able
to do it with OpenStreetMap? Perhaps not on Garmin, but on OSM.org or
OpenStreetBrowser or whatever application that uses OSM
Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that
people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM:
http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/
so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them
as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone
I prefer though that the data shouldn't be directly added to the
database especially for well-mapped areas.
Some POIs do not appear in the map (mapnik or osmarender).
But then you're just mapping for the renderers - omitting data because
two of current representations of the database as provided
What I'm saying is, when a new user (using this interface) sees the
map they would assume that the POI/business establishment are not yet
in the map. They would then add the info knowing it's not yet
there.
I like the simplicity of ojw's mockup. We don't need to
overcomplicate it at the moment.
Should we be charging to upgrade businesses details on OSM?
I think it should be free. You could pay OSM to have a OSM member put
all the details onto the map for them, saving them signing up etc. But
I would not like to see charging being the norm. Only because OSM
exists as a free map service,
The other day my family was on a road trip and we passed by an
unfamilliar city. We wanted to find a chinese restaurant, so I used
the database of business locations in City Navigator NT to find one.
OSM could replace, perhaps even surpass, the street maps in a
product like City
My wild guess is that this might be on the core-business-todo list for
cloudmade ;-)
Paul Houle schreef:
The other day my family was on a road trip and we passed by an
unfamilliar city. We wanted to find a chinese restaurant, so I used
the database of business locations in City
Brilliant! I second that.. Erm.. +1 that idea!
-with a custom CM slippy map that will show the listings. (that
companies can use)
BUT -The basemap (mapnik, osmarender, cyclemap) shouldnt play
favorites, it lists it all at lowest zoom :-) (a middleman who can
play nice with yellow pages)
Cheers,
But CloudMade and OSM are 2 different things.
Yellow pages can use cloudmades slippymap instead of others.
They could partner-up, but give us 2 more years to get OSM-basemap
upto snuff :-)
On 7/27/09, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- On Mon, 27/7/09, Paul Houle
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, John Smith escribió:
At this point in time OSM needs businesses to embrace it more than it can
offer back to businesses, so charging them would be like a slap in the
face.
You're doing it wrong.
I do think that OSM should tap into government sources. Every
Maybe an offshoot of osm should be a open directory business directory. That
people locate their business on a osm then it should be search able via the
main page. As I keep saying it also would add extra navagation points such
as postal codes.
On Jul 27, 2009 4:46 PM, Iván Sánchez Ortega
John Smith wrote:
Don't ya just love a good chicken and egg problem. Yellow pages
works because it has both critical mass and usually a physical
product is sent out.
Before telecom deregulation (1980 or so), every person (or
household, anyway) was in the phone book because there was just
Right,
my business is listed with the BC business registry, which is
government funded. You can look up in the Canadian corporate registry
all businesses the addresses.
I dont think that that information is copyrighted, as long as its
properly sourced? Right? Being manually listed with an
Hi!
You might want to try this:
http://www.openstreetbrowser.org
Unfortunately I'm not able to provide this for the whole planet right now,
only Europe is there.
greetings,
Stephan
--
Seid unbequem, seid Sand, nicht Öl im Getriebe der Welt! - Günther Eich
Some very good observations, Lars.
Even simpler than webcrawling would to imitate these guys and just provide a
simple web form :
http://www.google.com/local/add/analyticsSplashPage?gl=ushl=en-US
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Anyway,
I created a wiki page for it.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Business_Directory
And we can throw in more facts and ideas there on how to improve on
OpenStreetBrowser etc.
Cheers,
Sam
Twitter: @Acrosscanada
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at
Lars Aronsson wrote:
I doubt that any yellow pages catalog covers a critical mass of
all business any longer. We're back to the 19th century, when,
before telephones, various private publishers printed address
calendars.
Just jumping in with a random factoid here. I read a piece in the
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, Sam Vekemans escribió:
Right,
my business is listed with the BC business registry, which is
government funded. You can look up in the Canadian corporate registry
all businesses the addresses.
I dont think that that information is copyrighted, as long as its
Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:
I do think that OSM should tap into government sources. Every
country must have some kind of business registry that could be
cross-referenced with house numbers.
Did you try to get hold of such a list? Was it useful?
I'm an independent computer consultant. In
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, Lars Aronsson escribió:
Did you try to get hold of such a list? Was it useful?
I'm an independent computer consultant. In the tax registry, I'm
an educational venture. Maybe your map would show my home
address as a school building? I guess most restaurants
2009/7/27 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es:
El Lunes, 27 de Julio de 2009, John Smith escribió:
At this point in time OSM needs businesses to embrace it more than it can
offer back to businesses, so charging them would be like a slap in the
face.
You're doing it wrong.
I do think
one way that a business-listings website could work with OSM would be
to let each advertiser 'own' (not exclusively) an OSM node that they
can keep updated from some business-advertising website.
(1) you create an account and say I want to advertise a
{business_type} at {location} (doesn't matter
Phil Endecott wrote:
I'm not sure how far you can extrapolate from that, but I think it's
still fair to say that Yellow Pages covers most businesses. Certainly
the copies that arrive on my doorstep each year (and go straight into
the recycling bin) are not getting any thinner.
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Lars Aronsson wrote:
Most businesses would register the postal address where
they receive mail from tax authorities, not the shop front door.
So you would find me, and another hundred businesses, at the one address. It
will be an accountants when you arrived at the
2009/7/28 John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com:
In Australia in Telstra won a lawsuit against people OCR'ing the street
directory and selling white/yellow pages on CD. For all intents and purposes
Telstra owns the copyright on all Australian White/Yellow page directories
and now Telstra is a
On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Stephen Hope wrote:
And I don't know if the TV company counter appealed at a higher
level.
They couldn't. The last one ruling was from the High Court.
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