Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Viernes, 11 de Febrero de 2011 11:30:19 Chris Browet escribió: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Oh yes, I can believe it! It means nothing... It is a private joke to make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) To that, I can only say: Quidquid latinum dictum sit, profundus viditur Best, -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es i...@geonerd.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
pec...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. I think it's probably another example of M$ trying to stifle the THIRD horse while they come in at number 4. I don't want FG windows on my Nokia phone. Now that I have found a phone that works - with LINUX on it - I was at least happy. WHO is going to be supplying LINUX (meego). And do say 'Use Android' THAT is not linux and just as crap as iphone when it comes to using EXISTING applications. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On 12 Feb 2011, at 08:43, Lester Caine wrote: pec...@gmail.com wrote: I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. I think it's probably another example of M$ trying to stifle the THIRD horse while they come in at number 4. I don't want FG windows on my Nokia phone. Now that I have found a phone that works - with LINUX on it - I was at least happy. WHO is going to be supplying LINUX (meego). And do say 'Use Android' THAT is not linux and just as crap as iphone when it comes to using EXISTING applications. At risk of feeding a troll... what exactly has this got to do with OSM? Tom Davie ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On 11/02/2011 11:19, Steve Chilton wrote: When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Ooh, Aah Cantona! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. Andy pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. -- Andy PGP Key ID: 0xDC1B5864 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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2011/2/11 Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com: What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. Well, I'm not talking about OSM existence, of course. I'm talking about interesting collaboration between Microsoft and OSM community which just started to give fruits. It was just opinion, not fact statement, that Microsoft will be now less interested in OSM. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:29:39 +0200, pec...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Why would you think that? Why would Microsoft be interested in OSM per se? And why would hooking up with Nokia dimishish their possible interest in OSM? I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company offering maps to use crowdsourcing as a means to increase their coverage. And a comment of we can call it a day is pointless on any level. Or is your only goal the acceptance of OSM by Microsoft? Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. Steve stevecoast.com On Feb 11, 2011, at 1:44, Chris Browet c...@semperpax.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:40, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com wrote: What is the point of spreading unfounded FUD? OSM doesn't need Microsoft to exist anyway. I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... Don't discount the likelihood of Microsoft hedging its bets and maintaining a competitive attitude toward its own allies. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: Chris Browet wrote: I think he meant that now that MS will have access to Navteq, there is more than reasonable doubts regarding their future involvment in OSM... Don't discount the likelihood of Microsoft hedging its bets and maintaining a competitive attitude toward its own allies. I don't discount anything. I actually care little as long as they keep Bing opened for tracing... - Chris - ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q=Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... It means nothing... It is a private joke to make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) Take it from a native French speaker that it sounds perfectly legit - it got me googling it as I wondered why I had never heard it before... I'll definitely reuse it ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q=Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:35, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q=Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night Proper translation: Carrots grow at night ROFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:35:32 +0100, Jo wrote: 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q=Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night Il pleut is also nonsense if you translate it literally (He rains? Who is he?). Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q=Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night Proper translation: Carrots grow at night Proper French: Les carrottes poussent durant/pendant la nuit. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:41, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:35:32 +0100, Jo wrote: 2011/2/11 Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org: Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... Can you believe that http://www.google.com/#q=Les+carottes+poussent+la+nuit; does not return a single hit ? Did you just coin that French proverb on the spot ? It sounds like nonsense: best effort translation: The carrots push/grow the night Il pleut is also nonsense if you translate it literally (He rains? Who is he?). It is understandable: In French, the impersonal pronoun (i.e. it) is the same as the masculine personal pronoun (i.e. he). They both translate as il. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. From: Jean-Marc Liotier [j...@liotier.org] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 10:33 AM To: Chris Browet Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts Chris Browet wrote: Les carottes poussent la nuit... It means nothing... It is a private joke to make fun of people using proverbs too often :-) Take it from a native French speaker that it sounds perfectly legit - it got me googling it as I wondered why I had never heard it before... I'll definitely reuse it ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On 11 February 2011 09:57, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Don't count your chickens until they are hatched. Steve Oh no, Microsoft and Nokia working together? This is the end of it all, the great SteveC will even lose his job. I will read into this further (without any actual knowledge of the companies plans) and say he is only so relaxed because he's planning a long ski holiday between Microsoft and working at the next big company. -- Gregory o...@livingwithdragons.com http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
I know this is not true in Europe at least due to my meeting at MS. They have enough reasons to keep being involved into OSM even if they have access to what ever map. So don't be scared! :) Regards, Frank 2011/2/11 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12427680 I think we can call it a day. I really doubt Microsoft will be that interested in OSM anymore when they got Nokia on their hook. Cheers, Peter. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's fun while it lasts
On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 10:50 +0100, Maarten Deen wrote: I could even make a case that they are even more interested in OSM. Since Nokia wants to offer navigation and since map coverage in little-travelled area's is low, it would make sense for any company offering maps to use crowdsourcing as a means to increase their coverage. I guess this depends on your coverage area. One area I travel to off-road, has almost all dirt roads marked on my navman and nokia maps, but only a few in OSM (that Ive added as Ive found the trails and surveyed them). Im sure in some areas, OSM coverage is much more detailed than navteq, but the simple answer is that navteq/nokia/MS can simply licence map data from whatever governments or businesses that are willing to licence it for a price. Keeping OSM around simply gives them another source to derive data from for the dataset they use/distribute. Then again, vague comments like 'dont count your chickens before theyre hatched' from (who I see as) a main liason between MS and OSM to this news, are sadly starting to show why companies like MS continue to see OSM as a disorganised unmatured project, and we citizens are the mushrooms. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
