Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-13 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: I am maintaining personal database of issues and problems in my city[1]. Most of it is about cycling-related problems. Another example: https://bikeeastbay.org/hazards_map

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-10 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-08 16:01 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: Subdivision of the hazard namespace To me it would come naturally to subdivide the namespace as follows for different users of the road: - hazard:general= - hazard:pedestrian= - hazard:motor_vehicle= -

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-10 Thread malenki
On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 15:26:38 +0100, Stefan Keller wrote: What about crowdsourcing dangerous bicycle locations using key/tag hazard? See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard And see also https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896 tl;dr: As a lot of others already said: a quite

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-10 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from the map it self .. one node on the sharp corner compared to many for a 'smooth' corner.'Masked' corners where some object hides on coming traffic (e.g. building, vegetation) are

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-10 Thread Stefan Keller
To me it's almost undisputed that traffic signs - including warning signs for cyclists - can be and are mapped. -S. 2015-03-10 21:33 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com: On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 10 March 2015 at 08:30, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: These hazards exist for all kinds of traffic and not indicated on maps. Usually people are expected to be aware of their surroundings, not to rely on other aids as to what is visually obvious? :-\ The idea here is not to use it

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Warin
On 9/03/2015 9:08 PM, moltonel 3x Combo wrote: On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. sharp curve bicylists beware) and THOSE can definitely be mapped. Agreed, we can probably draw the line on wether the hazard is

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 09/03/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Sharp curves .. would they not be obvious from the map it self .. one node on the sharp corner compared to many for a 'smooth' corner.'Masked' corners where some object hides on coming traffic (e.g. building, vegetation) are also a hazard.

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. sharp curve bicylists beware) and THOSE can definitely be mapped. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 09/03/2015, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: There are in places bicycle specific warning signs (e.g. sharp curve bicylists beware) and THOSE can definitely be mapped. Agreed, we can probably draw the line on wether the hazard is signposted. And most of the values in taginfo and

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-09 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-08 12:24 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 08.03.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com: I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup? +1, the German page is not a translation of the proposal page, but the latter is much

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 07.03.2015 um 16:34 schrieb Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org: See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard And see also https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896 Sounds very subjective to me. Doesn't belong in OSM. the German page does indeed define subjective values while

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-08 Thread Tobias Preuss
This survey might be of interest for (at least the Berlin part of) you. https://radsicherheit.berlin.de ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08.03.2015 um 11:53 schrieb Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com: I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup? +1, the German page is not a translation of the proposal page, but the latter is much older and dates back to 2007. cheers Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-08 Thread Stefan Keller
Hi, Thanks for the discussion so long. I agree mostly that 1. its potentially subjective and 2. not always visible as real world object. I've added a notice to the german page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard I actually wonder, if this is a case for WikiProject Cleanup? Yours,

[OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
dieterdre...@gmail.com To: Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org Cc: Talk Openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations? Message-ID: 7770f6f0-c8ef-46cf-bdfa-bdb7231fe...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Am 07.03.2015 um 16

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-07 Thread Paul Johnson
I've brought this up before, but have since gone with the general consensus that this is just too subjective, even if we were to come up with some kind of rubric to standardize things. A big and highly inconsistent issue between regions is regional attitude. I don't care for on-street riding,

[OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-07 Thread Stefan Keller
Hi, What about crowdsourcing dangerous bicycle locations using key/tag hazard? See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard And see also https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896 Yours, S. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-07 Thread Jochen Topf
On Sa, Mär 07, 2015 at 03:26:38 +0100, Stefan Keller wrote: What about crowdsourcing dangerous bicycle locations using key/tag hazard? See http://wiki.osm.org/wiki/DE:Key:hazard And see also https://twitter.com/sfkeller/status/574213951644368896 Sounds very subjective to me. Doesn't belong in

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping dangerous bicycle locations?

2015-03-07 Thread Warin
The suggests values of weather related - rain/snow will change with the weather .. naturally. slippery = surface related ... could be tagged with surface=? glass-shard .. can be cleaned up, thus temporary like the weather ... I have stopped and swept things off the path .. used some cardboard