Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Richard Mann
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: But as yet I haven't understood what point you're trying to make in this thread. Without trying to be obtuse... can you explain? cheers Richard That there are legitimate ways of classifying cycle routes other than

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Andy Robinson
But why does this need special treatment? We don't do it for any other mode of transport. Cheers Andy From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com] Sent: 10 May 2012 10:08 To: Richard Fairhurst Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Richard Mann
...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 10 May 2012 10:08 *To:* Richard Fairhurst *Cc:* talk@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes ** ** On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: But as yet I haven't

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Cartinus
On 05/10/2012 11:08 AM, Richard Mann wrote: On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: But as yet I haven't understood what point you're trying to make in this thread. Without trying to be obtuse... can you explain? cheers Richard That there are

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Steve Doerr
On 10/05/2012 13:02, Cartinus wrote: the holy cow of western society (the car) You mean the means of locomotion which has been chosen by the majority given freedom of choice? -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Cartinus
On 05/10/2012 02:15 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: given freedom of choice? This is getting way off-topic, but... I know it is hard to accept for a lot of people, but the more people you put in a smaller space the less freedom of choice you have. For an example you might understand given your previous

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-10 Thread Steve Doerr
On 10/05/2012 13:41, Cartinus wrote: On 05/10/2012 02:15 PM, Steve Doerr wrote: given freedom of choice? This is getting way off-topic, but... I know it is hard to accept for a lot of people, but the more people you put in a smaller space the less freedom of choice you have. For an example

[OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Richard Mann
A Dutchman posted a map of the main cycle routes in Utrecht, and I asked why it looked so different to OSM/OCM http://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/looking-down-on-cyclists/ Q: Why does the map above look different to what’s in OpenStreetMap?

[OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Volker Schmidt
Richard, A Dutchman posted a map of the main cycle routes in Utrecht, and I asked why it looked so different to OSM/OCM http://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/looking-down-on-cyclists/ Q: Why does the map above look different to what?s in OpenStreetMap?

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Richard Mann
My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be recorded, so different renderings can be produced for different purposes (and indeed routers can use the information as well, if they want to). I know that different route networks apply for different purposes in my city (and have

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2012-05-09 14:11, Richard Mann wrote: My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be recorded, so different renderings can be produced for different purposes (and indeed routers can use the information as well, if they want to). I know that different route networks apply

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: My point is that tagging should allow both types of routes to be recorded We tag what's on the ground, whether it's route signage, cycle-specific infrastructure, or a giant woolly mammoth (http://url.ie/f9ts). Are you suggesting a deviation from that? cheers Richard --

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Richard Mann
You'd have to ask the City of Utrecht whether their main cycle routes are signed. If they've officially identified a particular set of routes, that would seem to be fairly clear-cut. See their city website: http://www.utrecht.nl/images/dso/infraprojecten/fiets/fietsroutes.html Richard On Wed,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Richard Mann wrote: You'd have to ask the City of Utrecht whether their main cycle routes are signed. Well, ok, I wasn't really asking what I'd have to ask, more what your point is. :) If the routes are signed, that's good. If there are measurements that can be tagged in OSM (vehicles per

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM cycle map - ?excessive focus on long-distance routes

2012-05-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On May 9, 2012 11:27 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 05/09/2012 10:54 AM, Richard Mann wrote: Obviously, OCM can render what it likes, but I think this neatly illustrates that OSM tagging of cycle routes is missing a trick or two. The first map in your mail is the kind of map