Frederik,
Thank you for your brainstorming on this topic. It's been very helpful.
I'm curious about whether the membership is interested in us pursuing some
kind of reboot. We've only heard a few voices on the topic, which has
made me reluctant to work on organizing anything that might go
On Tuesday 28 October 2014, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
I'm curious about whether the membership is interested in us pursuing
some kind of reboot. We've only heard a few voices on the topic,
which has made me reluctant to work on organizing anything that might
go against the membership's
Christoph,
If you are concerned that something might seem harsh, perhaps you
shouldn't say it. I'm fairly certain you could have expressed your point
without telling me that I am opportunistically doing whatever the majority
wants.
What I am doing, in fact, is gathering information. I am working
Hi Michael,
Am 27.10.2014 17:15 schrieb Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de:
On 26.10.2014 00:31, Frederik Ramm wrote:
but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
anything.
[…]
They even don't get involved into the discussion here. What a shame for
them!
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
Direct democracy is cumbersome and often lacks nuance,
which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative democracies and their
ilk are far more common simply because they are far more efficient.
Ouch.
I thank Christoph and Kathleen for obliquely raising an issue ... which
I'd crudely put as politics versus bureaucracy. It is a very important
one and touches back on the topic of modus operandi of the OSMF board.
I, perhaps in a minority, regard the entire OSMF set-up as volunteer
bureaucrats
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
Direct democracy is cumbersome and often lacks nuance,
which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative democracies and
their
ilk are far more common simply because they are far more efficient.
On Tuesday 28 October 2014, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
If you are concerned that something might seem harsh, perhaps you
shouldn't say it. I'm fairly certain you could have expressed your
point without telling me that I am opportunistically doing whatever
the majority wants.
I see what you
Particularly because the far more efficient is clearly false (for one
compare number of fundamental reforms at all level of government that
stick in Switzerland vs. other countries, particularly those with
two-party systems). The Swiss system is fairly fine-tuned though and
lots of things work
I'm an OSMF member, and I'm in favor of a reboot that would establish a
completely new board. I think that the existing board is individually
capable but as a group will never get along.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:
Particularly because the far more
On 28.10.2014 12:38, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
Are you sure that the silent ones read this list at all? ;-)
BTW: I'm not only talking about talk, I also was speaking about OSMF-talk.
AFAIK one person informed the board members about the ongoing
discussions and requested to get involved into
Hi Michael,
2014-10-28 14:47 GMT+01:00 Michael Kugelmann michaelk_...@gmx.de:
On 28.10.2014 12:38, Manfred A. Reiter wrote:
Are you sure that the silent ones read this list at all? ;-)
BTW: I'm not only talking about talk, I also was speaking about
OSMF-talk.
I know. ;-)
AFAIK one
On 26.10.2014 00:31, Frederik Ramm wrote:
but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
anything.
This clearly shows where the problem of the board is and why the
manifesto of Frederik has such a frustrated mood! Some board members are
sitting well on their chairs
Hi,
I've raised the idea of postponing AGM and election with the board
but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
anything.
Of course you or any other OSMF member is welcome to coordinate plans
for members to make a (non-binding) recommendation about how they
As Paul said, leaving aside any merits of this (there are plenty of other
threads going on to discuss that), can we have some brainstorming on the
mechanics of how it might work?
There have been a few suggestions for ways to essentially reboot the
board, but I am not familiar enough with the
Hi,
On 10/24/2014 10:41 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Is there *any* mechanism to put a new question to the full membership in
the upcoming election, or is it too late for that?
The board does not have to call AGMs or do elections. I don't know if
legally it is too late to cancel the
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
If we don't manage to get a board majority to postpone the whole thing,
there's something else we could do at least: Ask those who stand for
election to commit to calling a new GM within a certain time frame, and
offer
Hi Clifford,
Just a couple comments on your resolutions.
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:26 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 2:55 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
wrote:
Two of the resolutions I'd like to see put to a debate and vote are 1)
requiring
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
I actually don't think it makes sense for the membership to approach
things by passing a bunch of resolutions requiring the board to do things.
I think certainly a drastic resolution like dismantling the entire board
and
FWIW, I'm also wary of resolutions dictating how the board operates. I
think that a survey (or similar) is a good idea, but as Kate says, it
doesn't require a resolution. Direct democracy is cumbersome and often
lacks nuance, which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative
democracies and
Hi,
On 10/24/2014 05:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
If I'm understanding this correctly, in the next week or so, before
proxy voting begins, we could ask the board to make a decision to
include a nonbinding resolution or, essentially a good faith
resolution on the ballot.
Frankly I'm not
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