Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
Thomas Szukala wrote: I remember a story of a guy who was trying to photograph a highway by night (long time exposure). A policeman came by and was some kind of picky about what the strange guy with this strange equipment (DSLR, tripod, etc) was doing, unitl he showed him on the camera screen the results. Then the conversation started to go in the direction on how this was done and how he (the policeman) could do it by himself. Thomas If memory serves, it was a guy trying to photograph Battersea Power Station. In this current oh my ghod everyone's a terrorist climate, it's not surprising - sadly Kyle ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Thomas Szukala [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about some flyers which you can give to somebody if he shows interest in what you are doing or is suspicous about it. You could even make custom flyers for the area you are mapping at the moment. This would show the person directly what you are working on and you can see for yourself where you still need to do some mapping. Some sort of scratchpad for yourself and others This is an excellent idea, should be quite low cost too - with the added benefit of being able to say to the enquirer Have a look at that website in a day or so, and your road will be added! Reminds me of those areal photography companies that fly over your house, and then post a small image through the door saying we flew over your house, and took this picture, if you want it large, and framed, send us some money ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
On Tue, 2008-03-11 at 15:23 +0100, J.D. Schmidt wrote: Aaaww shucks - There goes 250 down the drain. Anybody interested in a full urban camouflage battledress, complete with matching ghillie-suit and a discreet handwoven OpenStreetMap Surveyor tag ? Mint condition, only used at night, in low-crime neighbourhoods of a major european town. One for the Brits: I hereby pledge allegiance to SteveC, and to the flag of the Nation of OpenStreetMap. I promise to never talk of Superways or controlled tags from this day forward. -- Bruce Cowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
El Martes, 11 de Marzo de 2008, Igor Brejc escribió: I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :) I discovered the wonders of Velcro, and a wool pullover. This way I keep the GPS on my shoulder, and put a overall on top. Nice reception. Strangely enough, I haven't got any stares because of the fact that every time I press my shoulder, a loud beep is heard. -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega [EMAIL PROTECTED] English literature's performing flea. -- Sean O'Casey on P. G. Wodehouse signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
Am Dienstag, 11. März 2008 10:43:44 schrieb Iván Sánchez Ortega: El Martes, 11 de Marzo de 2008, Igor Brejc escribió: I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :) I discovered the wonders of Velcro, and a wool pullover. This way I keep the GPS on my shoulder, and put a overall on top. Nice reception. Strangely enough, I haven't got any stares because of the fact that every time I press my shoulder, a loud beep is heard. Too bad. If they *would* stare, they could see you being beamed up to your starship a few seconds later. :-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :) To be honest I'd have thought keeping the gps unit out would mean you're less likely to get harassed - it makes you look like you're kind of doing something official. Luckily I've never really had any major trouble but my standard response would probably be Got the internet? Look up www.openstreetmap.org. Is your street on there and named? No? Will it soon will be... Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
Nick Whitelegg wrote: Sent: 11 March 2008 1:24 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Stares I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :) To be honest I'd have thought keeping the gps unit out would mean you're less likely to get harassed - it makes you look like you're kind of doing something official. Luckily I've never really had any major trouble but my standard response would probably be Got the internet? Look up www.openstreetmap.org. Is your street on there and named? No? Will it soon will be... +1 to this approach. I often get people looking at me on a Sunday morning while they wash their cars and I always make a point of saying good morning or whatever. If someone does ask a question I do exactly as Nick suggests. There is no need for OSM data gathering to be a subversive activity. Make a statement about it and tell people what you are doing. Cheers Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Andy Robinson (blackadder) skrev: There is no need for OSM data gathering to be a subversive activity. Make a statement about it and tell people what you are doing. Aaaww shucks - There goes 250 € down the drain. Anybody interested in a full urban camouflage battledress, complete with matching ghillie-suit and a discreet handwoven OpenStreetMap Surveyor tag ? Mint condition, only used at night, in low-crime neighbourhoods of a major european town. Dutch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Yep it's either rough areas or where people would probably take forever to understand me, that I fear being seen. However there are the times (maybe as many) when I'd like to be asked. On 11/03/2008, Igor Brejc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nick Whitelegg wrote: I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :) To be honest I'd have thought keeping the gps unit out would mean you're less likely to get harassed - it makes you look like you're kind of doing something official. Luckily I've never really had any major trouble but my standard response would probably be Got the internet? Look up www.openstreetmap.org. Is your street on there and named? No? Will it soon will be... Nick __ Well the remote villages I visit sometimes when hiking probably haven't heard yet of internet ;). And they usually don't like surveyors, since they fear someone will steal their land :) So I think my pocket is still the best strategy for this situation... especially when I see 'beware of dog' sign :) Igor -- http://igorbrejc.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:34:56 - Andy Robinson \(blackadder\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Luckily I've never really had any major trouble but my standard response would probably be Got the internet? Look up www.openstreetmap.org. Is your street on there and named? No? Will it soon will be... +1 to this approach. I often get people looking at me on a Sunday morning while they wash their cars and I always make a point of saying good morning or whatever. If someone does ask a question I do exactly as Nick suggests. There is no need for OSM data gathering to be a subversive activity. Make a statement about it and tell people what you are doing. [...] With all due respect, while I agree with the general tenor of this message, and am completely in favour of an open explanation, and negotiation of what is acceptable in the public sphere, I am also quite prickly at protecting what I perceive as *my* right in this regard. In my opinion, the more one retreats in this regard, the more the forces of fascism^W anti-terrorism are going to push one. I am doing nothing wrong, and should *not* have to explain myself to anyone under duress. I agree that there is a fine line there---one which is applicable to both sides---but the more that people meet me with a confrontational approach, the more likely I am to push back. Fortunately, I am very rarely faced with such an eventuality, but other, less respectable-looking, people might be. You speak about the Internet, and openstreetmap.org, but talk about these with most people in India, and you will be met with a blank stare. Better hope that you do not look like you belong in the quote torturable class unquote. Regards, Gora ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:07 PM, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. Last month I had someone ask me if they had parked their car in an OK place. They thought I was writing down their registration number. -- Abi ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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P.S. Schuyler, and Mikel nearly got arrested while mapping Ludhiana in India. No no not at all. We simply got asked a series of rapid, intense, probing questions from a representative of Ludhiana's police department. I'm sure she was just curious about OSM. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On 10 Mar 2008, at 13:34, Mikel Maron wrote: P.S. Schuyler, and Mikel nearly got arrested while mapping Ludhiana in India. No no not at all. We simply got asked a series of rapid, intense, probing questions from a representative of Ludhiana's police department. I'm sure she was just curious about OSM. did you judge her dancing ability? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
In my last blog post ( http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2008/03/mapping-meets-geocaching) I ommited that someone was waiting in their car for ages with the engine on while I mapped passed them. I was waiting for them to leave and eventually when I had gone out of their sight for 5 minutes they drove off. Later I noticed a police car where they had been, maybe called out to check on a suspicous man. Well anyway, they may be paranoid about what this non-local is doing in their street, I'm paranoid about them being paranoid about me! On 10/03/2008, SteveC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Mar 2008, at 13:34, Mikel Maron wrote: P.S. Schuyler, and Mikel nearly got arrested while mapping Ludhiana in India. No no not at all. We simply got asked a series of rapid, intense, probing questions from a representative of Ludhiana's police department. I'm sure she was just curious about OSM. did you judge her dancing ability? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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Gregory wrote: In my last blog post (http://www.livingwithdragons.com/2008/03/mapping-meets-geocaching) I ommited that someone was waiting in their car for ages with the engine on while I mapped passed them. I was waiting for them to leave and eventually when I had gone out of their sight for 5 minutes they drove off. Later I noticed a police car where they had been, maybe called out to check on a suspicous man. Well anyway, they may be paranoid about what this non-local is doing in their street, I'm paranoid about them being paranoid about me! I tend to keep my GPS unit in my pocket when I encounter people. The accuracy probably suffers, but at least I don't get the stares :) Igor -- http://igorbrejc.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Stares
Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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SteveC wrote: Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. Yes, but that's mainly due to the fact that I've spent the last couple of weekends mapping an area where wandering around with something that looks like a radio clipped to your shoulder while writing notes and sketching a map makes the locals nervous (in a he looks official but I can't quite work out what he's up to kind of way). Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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With its right wing? Stephan. Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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SteveC wrote: Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. No, but I'm definitely noticing an increase in the number of agressive dogs :-( Graham SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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I think this might be the cause: http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/ct_camera_2008.pdf More details: http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/campaign_ct_2008.htm 80n On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:52 PM, graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SteveC wrote: Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. No, but I'm definitely noticing an increase in the number of agressive dogs :-( Graham SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
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On 9 Mar 2008, at 20:33, 80n wrote: I think this might be the cause: http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/counter_terrorism/ ct_camera_2008.pdf Fight back with http://www.boingboing.net/2008/03/05/remixing-the-london.html More details: http://www.met.police.uk/campaigns/campaign_ct_2008.htm 80n On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:52 PM, graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SteveC wrote: Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. No, but I'm definitely noticing an increase in the number of agressive dogs :-( Graham SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
