Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Have there been many projects/companies which improved TIGER and released the results as PD? None that I know of; I suppose they have all spent a lot of money to be able to process and improve TIGER and they probably want to recoup that investment through proprietary licensing. Is it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-13 Thread Christopher Schmidt
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 10:03:20PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: None that I know of; I suppose they have all spent a lot of money to be able to process and improve TIGER and they probably want to recoup that investment through proprietary licensing. Is it

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Is it relevant to us? Surely it's highly relevant to your assertion that we would build a strong community around OSM if it was PD? I thought OJW was not talking about communities but about corporations. Which generally have a bad track record of working for free (perhaps because they

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-12 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Ari Torhamo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: su, 2008-05-04 kello 15:40 +0200, Mike Collinson kirjoitti: At 01:33 PM 4/05/2008, Ari Torhamo wrote: la, 2008-05-03 kello 17:39 -0400, Ted Mielczarek kirjoitti: Why else are we contributing this data if not for people

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-06 Thread Frederik Ramm
Nathan, I'm 100% with you as regards PD; I also think that it would cause much less hassle, make OSM a better project and be morally superior along the way. However there are many people who think differently, and you may encounter some of them on legal-talk to which I'm CCing this, with full

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-06 Thread Nic Roets
I really would like to see a license as simple as the following: For data users - 0. Open Street Map collects and creates public domain map data. 1. Attribution of Open Street Map is expected. We make it easy. 2. Contributing back or freely sharing modifications is strongly encouraged.

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-06 Thread Gervase Markham
Frederik Ramm wrote: That's my problem as well. We are not much better than other owners of geodata. They say: 1. Geodata is very valuable and takes a lot of work to collect and those who do all the work should be the owners of the data and dictate under what rules it may be used; 2.

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-06 Thread Nathan Vander Wilt
On May 6, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Nathan Vander Wilt wrote: [blah, blah, blah] I hope that I did make my concerns clear without offending anyone too greatly. Regardless, it would probably be more helpful to say what I hope could be done to address my concerns, instead of just more-or- less

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-05 Thread Lester Caine
Ari Torhamo wrote: OK, thanks for explaining this. I was actually just responding to sarcasm that I didn't like, but perhaps I could have been more educated doing it :-) (or perhaps it would be best that we weren't sarcastic to each other at all). Sarcasm can be a major problem on lists

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. You don't have to understand, just accept that some want it. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-05 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain Hi, I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. You don't have to understand, just accept that some want it. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-04 Thread Ari Torhamo
la, 2008-05-03 kello 17:39 -0400, Ted Mielczarek kirjoitti: For me, it seems ironic that a project spawned from licensing issues over map data has found itself in a situation where licensing issues are still a problem, Yeah, what an irony. Those who started the project must have thought that

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-04 Thread Mike Collinson
At 01:33 PM 4/05/2008, Ari Torhamo wrote: la, 2008-05-03 kello 17:39 -0400, Ted Mielczarek kirjoitti: Why else are we contributing this data if not for people to *use* it? I suggest you go and present this breath taking argument to RMS, and we might soon get an updated, more free version of

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-04 Thread Ari Torhamo
su, 2008-05-04 kello 15:40 +0200, Mike Collinson kirjoitti: At 01:33 PM 4/05/2008, Ari Torhamo wrote: la, 2008-05-03 kello 17:39 -0400, Ted Mielczarek kirjoitti: Why else are we contributing this data if not for people to *use* it? I suggest you go and present this breath taking

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-03 Thread Vincent MEURISSE
I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. The goal of osm is to have a map of the world freely available for anyone. But with PD someone (eg google) can take all the work of osm, correct and complete it, and copyright it in a way that osm cannot reuse the modification. So the

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-03 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
Vincent MEURISSE wrote: I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. The goal of osm is to have a map of the world freely available for anyone. But with PD someone (eg google) can take all the work of osm, correct and complete it, and copyright it in a way that osm cannot reuse

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, And where all the data entered by the PD guys was done without looking at the non-PD stuff as a reference? Exactly, it's all in the meta data ,-) caveat=user had proprietary map in top drawer of desk while mapping that Bye Frederik ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-03 Thread Ted Mielczarek
On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:36 AM, Vincent MEURISSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't understand why some users want their work in PD. The goal of osm is to have a map of the world freely available for anyone. But with PD someone (eg google) can take all the work of osm, correct and complete

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-02 Thread Andy Allan
On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, While I have the PD-user template on my user page and would encourage like-minded folks to do the same, I feel it is mostly a political statement than of real practical benefit. +1 Some time in

Re: [OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-05-02 Thread Bruce Cowan
On Fri, 2008-05-02 at 17:01 +0100, Andy Allan wrote: And where all the data entered by the PD guys was done without looking at the non-PD stuff as a reference? Like a PD pub which was positioned at the corner of two CC-BY-SA streets, whose coordinates, therefore is (arguably) non-PD? Or PD

[OSM-talk] Users whose contributions are in the public domain

2008-04-30 Thread Rahkonen Jukka
Sorry about reposting but the original title Meaning of Users whose contributions are in the public domain was split somehow. I think just Meaning of is far too large a problem. -Jukka- Hi, I concluded that I'd rather see my contributions in public domain and added the PD-user template