Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Actually this is probably a perfect example of the sort of stuff that SHOULD be available as secondary layers? Like the contour information on freemap would be nice as a selectable layer. Incidentally it is already available as a vector layer (GeoJSON or own-format XML) as it happens, e.g.

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-25 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Just to add: this is OS LandForm PANORAMA contour data so any use needs to be credited to them. Nick -Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent wrote: - To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: Nick Whitelegg/FT/Solent Date: 25/01/2012 01:29PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-25 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Frederik Ramm frederik at remote.org writes: Hi, On 01/24/2012 04:27 PM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: We will see much more proprietary keys in the future because people are importing huge amounts of spatial data from external sources. Maybe we should simply stop them from doing that?

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/25 Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi: alternative. Right now I remember only two common examples about combining OSM data and some other data outside the main OSM database for rendering. First is about height contours and another one is about using OSM coastline shapefiles.

[OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Looking at the fantastic taginfo reports [1] I noticed some tags that link presumably proprietary databases to OSM from inside the OSM-db: e.g. this one: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/%25kml%3Aguid#values with values like: {a2ec06ed-792a-4495-9218-8b2a394c4163} I wonder if this kind of

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 24/01/2012 11:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I wonder if this kind of tagging should be tolerated. In the wiki I found no documentation regarding this tag, and therefore this data seems unusable for most mappers. Perhaps not, but systematically removing it won't improve anything (since most

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2012/1/24 Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk: On 24/01/2012 11:22, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I wonder if this kind of tagging should be tolerated. In the wiki I found no documentation regarding this tag, and therefore this data seems unusable for most mappers. Perhaps not, but

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/24/12 14:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: How would you improve / modify (say split) an object where you don't understand part of the tags applied to it? I agree but would like to point out that this problem applies to properly documented tags as well - there are quite a few

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: the concept seems to be documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_Features/UUID I don't see any mention of what should happen to UUIDs attached to ways, when ways are split or merged. Should

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Bennett openstreet...@jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: We have (or at least, should have) a simple principle in OSM: Ignore what you don't understand. I could add another one : delete what is beyond understanding. Because your principle is against another one :

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Janko Mihelić
2012/1/24 Pieren pier...@gmail.com I could add another one : delete what is beyond understanding. Because your principle is against another one : verifiability. Because your principle - if it is tolerated - might end up with elements tagged with dozen references to external applications and

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Pieren pieren3 at gmail.com writes: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Bennett openstreetmap at jonno.cix.co.uk wrote: We have (or at least, should have) a simple principle in OSM: Ignore what you don't understand. I could add another one : delete what is beyond understanding.

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/24/2012 04:27 PM, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: We will see much more proprietary keys in the future because people are importing huge amounts of spatial data from external sources. Maybe we should simply stop them from doing that? Much of that data is hard or impossible to update by OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 03:59:51PM +0100, Janko Mihelić wrote: 2012/1/24 Pieren pier...@gmail.com I could add another one : delete what is beyond understanding. Because your principle is against another one : verifiability. Because your principle - if it is tolerated - might end up with

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Jochen Topf
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 03:27:00PM +, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: We will see much more proprietary keys in the future because people are importing huge amounts of spatial data from external sources. Much of that data is hard or impossible to update by OSM contributors but new updates will be

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread John Sturdy
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:38 PM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: Importing is difficult enough to do properly and I think updating that data is even more difficult to do. I think it would make more sense for some kinds of data (particularly, the more volatile ones) to have map servers

Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary keys and values, machine readable vs. humans

2012-01-24 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Jochen Topf joc...@remote.org wrote: On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 03:27:00PM +, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: We will see much more proprietary keys in the future because people are importing huge amounts of spatial data from external sources. Much of that data is hard