Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

On 25/04/2017 13:51, Greg Troxel wrote: However, if one renders and one doesn't, in the default style, that's a bug, and presumably someone can make a pull request to fix it - it seems obviously uncontroversial. You'd have thought so, but a project maintainer closed exactly that issue at

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

Oleksiy Muzalyev writes: > Both "man_made=tower;tower:type=communications" and "man_made=mast" > are being used interchangeably. One of them is rendered with a good > icon and another not rendered at all on the OSM map. > I was not suggesting to re-tag this

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

Both "man_made=tower;tower:type=communications" and "man_made=mast" are being used interchangeably. One of them is rendered with a good icon and another not rendered at all on the OSM map. I was not suggesting to re-tag this particular communication mast per se, but to attract an attention to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

All what is written at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aviation is fair enough, especially the main principle: "We map anything that is observable on the ground.", but not an airspace. A communication tower, or a mast is well observable on the ground. The DJI changed the map on its RPAS

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

On 22/04/2017 07:33, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: It is possible to map it as: "man_made=mast", "height=190", etc., then it will be rendered. In the general case, please don't suggest that people mistag things just so that one particular renderer (one that probably isn't used by the majority of

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

Please read http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Aviation Pilots do not use the osm base map... /Andreas Skickat från min iPhone > 23 apr. 2017 kl. 07:50 skrev Oleksiy Muzalyev : > >> On 22.04.17 21:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> sent from a phone >> >>> On

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

On 22.04.17 21:17, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 22. Apr 2017, at 08:33, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: In my opinion, it is a significant issue, in fact a disaster waiting to happen. There will be soon air-born taxi in Dubai, Singapore, etc., and

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

On 22 April 2017 at 07:33, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > It is possible to map it as: "man_made=mast", "height=190", etc., then it > will be rendered. I have now changed the objects to use this method. (As noted previously, I have no height data for the Portuguese mast)

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

sent from a phone > On 22. Apr 2017, at 08:33, Oleksiy Muzalyev > wrote: > > In my opinion, it is a significant issue, in fact a disaster waiting to > happen. There will be soon air-born taxi in Dubai, Singapore, etc., and the > extremely high communication

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

On 22.04.17 00:56, Andy Mabbett wrote: the Sutton Coldfield (England) TV mast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_Coldfield_transmitting_station at: http://www.opensntreetmap.org/?mlat=37.08321=-8.13643#map=17/37.0832/-8.1364 is a significant landmark, visible for several miles,

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

sent from a phone > On 22. Apr 2017, at 01:37, Andy Townsend wrote: > > The current tagging (man_made=tower; tower:type=communication) looks OK to me. The word "communication" to me means a two-way exchange of information/ideas (mutual, e.g. a phone call). For

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

On 21/04/2017 22:56, Andy Mabbett wrote: the Sutton Coldfield (England) TV mast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_Coldfield_transmitting_station at: http://www.opensntreetmap.org/?mlat=37.08321=-8.13643#map=17/37.0832/-8.1364 That's the one in Portugal, I think? Sutton

[OSM-talk] Tagging and rendering of television masts

the Sutton Coldfield (England) TV mast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutton_Coldfield_transmitting_station at: http://www.opensntreetmap.org/?mlat=37.08321=-8.13643#map=17/37.0832/-8.1364 is a significant landmark, visible for several miles, and illuminated at night. Yet it does not

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

elvin ibbotson wrote: Typos in real words are easier to detect than a mistake in entering a number. In the scenario I was suggesting numbers would only replace words for type tags and users would never see the numbers but would just see words (in their own language) mapped to/from numbers

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

of which (like name=) require user direct input. From: Jeffrey Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9 May 2008 15:09:39 BDT To: elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED], OSM Talk talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering The rendering should be separate from the data. Marking

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

I don't think we want another server. I can already demonstrate it: I am currently experimenting with binary data downloads for my mobile OSM viewer, mom http://mom.poco.org.uk/. I need data for scales from 3 (just coastlines and country boundaries for enormous areas) to scale 15 (almost

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On Monday 12 May 2008 11:50:15 elvin ibbotson wrote: If, for   example, the feature types were structured using a numerical system   such that  so that all natural features began with 0, all highways   with 1, etc, but everything needed at scales smaller than 5 ended   with numbers smaller

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On Friday 09 May 2008 11:27:21 elvin ibbotson wrote: Much debate centres around the way features are tagged and how they   are rendered (for example recent discussion of golf course tagging,   the term 'highway', rendering power lines,...) and it seems that much   of this is inextricably

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 03:30, elvin ibbotson wrote: On 9 May 2008, at 11:05, Dave Stubbs wrote: As far as I see it there is no difference between mapping 11=autobahn, and mapping motorway=autobahn. I think you missed the point. At present we have highway=motorway and I believe a German

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 19:55, Jonathan Bennett wrote: elvin ibbotson wrote: Things humans read need to be human readable. The database should be read by software and if it can be faster and more efficient using numbers, numbers are what should be used. The best way of proving this would be to

[OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

Much debate centres around the way features are tagged and how they are rendered (for example recent discussion of golf course tagging, the term 'highway', rendering power lines,...) and it seems that much of this is inextricably involved with the OSM data itself. I wondered if it was

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 10:27 AM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much debate centres around the way features are tagged and how they are rendered (for example recent discussion of golf course tagging, the term 'highway', rendering power lines,...) and it seems that much of this is

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 11:05, Dave Stubbs wrote: As far as I see it there is no difference between mapping 11=autobahn, and mapping motorway=autobahn. I think you missed the point. At present we have highway=motorway and I believe a German user would need to use these words. What I suggest is

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 11:30 AM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 May 2008, at 11:05, Dave Stubbs wrote: As far as I see it there is no difference between mapping 11=autobahn, and mapping motorway=autobahn. I think you missed the point. At present we have highway=motorway and I

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

No, you've missed the point. Potlatch can just as easily say: highway=motorway -- [german for highway]=autobahn as it can: highway=11 -- [german for highway]=autobahn You can look at merkaartor. It implement something like that. When you draw a road, it show up a translated list for the tags. I

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

The rendering should be separate from the data. Marking a hiking trail as an autobahn so it will be a different color or be visible on higher zoom levels I think we all agree is wrong. Provided the data is correct, I don't see a problem with altering the way data is collected and recorded to make

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

I can see the attraction to the use of numbers for the values of the highway tag. Having a new system that does not use terms that have other meanings can force people to think about the OSM definitions of the values. The UK centric terms have this effect for me. I have to think about what

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

Maybe what we need are some guidelines for making tags. You can make any tag you want, but here are some general principals about what makes a good key and what makes good values for those keys. At the very least we would have a framework for discussion. Someone type something up on the wiki.

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 12:21, Dave Stubbs wrote: The mapping to numbers doesn't gain us anything. It doesn't let us do anything we can't already do, or make it any easier as far as I can see. If the database, which is accessed by programmers, was numerically based, it would be be more amenable

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 14:56, Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio wrote: Hi, the last line of your messge looks like a triple parallelism. Just to be precise: we are tagging 'autopistas' and 'autovias' as motorways, 'carreteras nacionales' as trunks and main regional roads as primary (for example, the

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 16:48, Dave Stubbs wrote: There are some genuine problems that need solving -- tag translation, tagging hierarchies, tag documentation and guides, and some bad tags in common use to name but a few. Here we agree. Unfortunately people seem most interested in solving

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

On 9 May 2008, at 14:51, Vincent MEURISSE wrote: You can look at merkaartor. It implement something like that. When you draw a road, it show up a translated list for the tags. I thing that an editor must hide tags for most usages to avoid tagging errors and allows power users to change row

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

Typos in real words are easier to detect than a mistake in entering a number. On Sat, May 10, 2008 at 2:45 AM, elvin ibbotson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 9 May 2008, at 12:21, Dave Stubbs wrote: The mapping to numbers doesn't gain us anything. It doesn't let us do anything we can't already

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering

elvin ibbotson wrote: Things humans read need to be human readable. The database should be read by software and if it can be faster and more efficient using numbers, numbers are what should be used. The best way of proving this would be to come up with your own version of the OSM server

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Major non-interstate highways that have traffic light free multi-level junctions etc should be tagged as 'trunk' and possibly also be rendered orange but with less grand route numbers to differentiate them from interstate

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Jeffrey Martin wrote: I think free tagging is great, but we should not allow multiple definitions for each tag. A tag should not indicate both it's legal status and it's structure, although one might imply the other under certain circumstances. Well, that's an unfortunate fact of the

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2008 15:42 To: Peter Miller Cc: Talk Openstreetmap; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Major non-interstate

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jo wrote: | Robert (Jamie) Munro schreef: | | When I look at the USA, I want interstates to be blue. When an American | looks at the UK, they want to see motorways to be a colour other than | blue, because then they will understand instinctively what

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On 18/04/2008, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a purely functional perspective this approach seems to work. The screenshot below shows what happens if you ask for the motorways in Ireland to be rendered in purple: http://tile.openstreetmap.org/direct/country-mways-example.png

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 19:57 +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: On 18/04/2008, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a purely functional perspective this approach seems to work. The screenshot below shows what happens if you ask for the motorways in Ireland to be rendered in purple:

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On 19/04/2008, Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - not trying to do anything to account for ways which crossed over a border. PostGIS can generate clipped geometries while doing the processing but I did not try this [1]. That's not the cause anyway - the motorway ends, with a break in

[OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

It would be good to get a resolution of the issue of highway classification and rendering in the USA. The San Francisco area is getting into a pretty http://openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.3792lon=-121.9487zoom=12layers=0BFT good state now, and could act as an 'exemplar' area for the USA should good

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The state roads are currently tagged on OSM variously with trunk (green) primary (red) and secondary (orange). Some pretty major roads a tagged with secondary (actually a very lowly road class in the UK below motorway,

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender sorted out for the USA sorted out - they both work fine. Even if we had a production-ready mechanism for country-specific rendering, it would still be a matter of opinion, or more accurately, a matter of cartographic

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USAandelsewhere

On a ground truth note, it turns out that state highways in California do range from freeways (CA 85), to major urban surface roads (CA 82) to narrow two-lane rural roads (CA 130). While lowly, some of them really are secondary roads. Dan On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 17:33 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: In

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Friday 18 April 2008, Tom Hughes wrote: If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender sorted out for the USA then people will be incentivised to tag appropriately. The moto 'render and they will come' probably applies here as elsewhere. Agreeing on the

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that we do not have the technology to render different countries in different ways. I don't believe we even know of an efficient way to do it, so we don't even know what the technology would look like

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Hi, Shouldn't this be as easy as adding a tag indicating country and altering the stylesheet to say highway=motorway country=us = color=yellow, highway=motorway country=uk = color=blue? Complete with the ability to have US motorways in the UK, yay! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Hi, Who decides what colours are used on the main maps? I.e. who actually decided that motorways should be blue, and trunks should be green, how railways are rendered etc.? Say I'd like to see railways rendered differently in the [EMAIL PROTECTED] maps, where should I ask? Is there

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Shouldn't this be as easy as adding a tag indicating country and altering the stylesheet to say highway=motorway country=us = color=yellow, highway=motorway country=uk = color=blue? Complete with the ability

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that we do not have the technology to render different countries in different ways. I don't believe we even know of an

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 18 April 2008, Tom Hughes wrote: If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender sorted out for the USA then people will be incentivised to tag appropriately. The moto 'render

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Message- From: Andy Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2008 17:38 To: Peter Miller Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Friday 18 April 2008 19:14:22 Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that we do not have the technology to render different countries in

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 19:14 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that we do not have the technology to render different countries

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Friday 18 April 2008 19:25:37 Peter Miller wrote: I hope I didn't come across as aggressive, but I did want to point out some really weird inconsistencies that do need to be resolved and wanted to encourage debate. In the UK a secondary roads is a minor road, in San Francisco this

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon Burgess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Provided we have the polygons describing the boundaries of countries, states etc then we could tag the data during the osm2pgsql processing. Alternatively it might be possible for Mapnik to query them at run time

[OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:44:49 -0400 From: Adam Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere To: Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Friday 18 April 2008 21:23:47 Peter Miller wrote: The answer is that OSM's currently colour scheme seems to be that it is UK imperialism! For interest, here are some colours using by Google maps around the world snip I would suggest we have a default of orange for top-level roads

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 21:57 +0100, Jon Burgess wrote: It should then be possible to include fips_cntry as a filter in the osm.xml. From a purely functional perspective this approach seems to work. The screenshot below shows what happens if you ask for the motorways in Ireland to be rendered

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Hughes wrote: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender | sorted out for the USA then people will be incentivised to tag |

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Adam Schreiber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:33 PM, Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The problem is that we do not have the technology to render different

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging and rendering highways in the USA and elsewhere

Robert (Jamie) Munro schreef: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Hughes wrote: | In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | If we can agree on the rendering rules and get both Mapnik and osmarender | sorted out for the USA then people