[talk-ph] Is there a recent bing hi-res shift correction?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden maning sambale
I noticed recently that my shift correction (using JOSM) for Marikina is not consistent anymore for some areas (within the same imagery). Is there some shift in your respective patch? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea

Re: [talk-ph] R1 extension now passable?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Eugene Alvin Villar
R1 extension is not fully passable at the moment. The southbound side up to Kawit is now open to Class 1 and 2 vehicles. Class 3 will be allowed after Holy Week. The northbound side is still closed. I'll try to get a trace this Holy Week since I expect there would be no traffic. :-) On Fri,

Re: [talk-ph] Is there a recent bing hi-res shift correction?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Eugene Alvin Villar
No shift on my patch (Muntinlupa and Las Pinas). On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:52 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed recently that my shift correction (using JOSM) for Marikina is not consistent anymore for some areas (within the same imagery). Is there some shift in

[talk-ph] GPSmid

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Jim Morgan
GpsMid Java Midlet to use OpenStreetMap data on a J2ME ready Mobile. Displays a moving map using external or internal GPS, shows the street name on which you are. There is Navigation support for car drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians plus many more ... http://sourceforge.net/projects/gpsmid/

Re: [talk-ph] Is there a recent bing hi-res shift correction?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden maning sambale
Thanks, maybe my local shift correction is misplaced in some areas. On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: No shift on my patch (Muntinlupa and Las Pinas). On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 6:52 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I noticed

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Francis Davey
On 18 April 2011 02:13, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: Presumably they would point out that the incorrect part of your reasoning is that Re-distribution under a licence is sublicensing and cannot be anything else. Redistribution under a license is not sublicensing.  I'm not even quite sure

[OSM-legal-talk] Contributor terms: errors in the Italian translation

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Niccolo Rigacci
There are some errors in the Italian translation of the contributor terms https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms License names contains typos: * ODbl sould be ODbL (the case) * DdCL should be DbCL (b instead of d) The phrase le quali saranno si intenderanno approvate con il voto should be

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Francis Davey
That is the situation you are describing. I'm not sure what you mean by the situation you are describing, but Ah, this is where we are probably at cross purposes. I am sorry for that - its been a long thread. 80n's original query concerned uploading work to OSMF by someone who has agreed to

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Rights granted to OSMF (Section 2 of the CT)

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Simon Ward
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:34:57AM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: On 18 April 2011 07:26, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Thanks Grant, I understand what the OSMF stands for, and my question was maybe unclear: What does this phrase (about the

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Rights granted to OSMF (Section 2 of the CT)

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Rob Myers
On 04/18/2011 10:06 PM, Simon Ward wrote: On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 07:34:57AM +0200, andrzej zaborowski wrote: Commercial use needs to be allowed for the data to even be considered open knowledge according to http://www.opendefinition.org/okd/ . Since this is often a deciding factor for

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabio Alessandro Locati
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 7:38 AM, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: While I certainly understand the pro-PD argument, what would folks think about putting the checkbox after the submit button? I agree, it should be done It's rather degrading saying this

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Cartinus
On Monday 18 April 2011 04:47:30 Steve Coast wrote: Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining. And hereby the expected anti-PD campaign is officially started. -- m.v.g., Cartinus

[OSM-talk] Contributor terms: errors in the Italian translation

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Niccolo Rigacci
There are some errors in the Italian translation of the contributor terms https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms License names contains typos: * ODbl sould be ODbL (the case) * DdCL should be DbCL (b instead of d) The phrase le quali saranno si intenderanno approvate con il voto should be

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Ed Avis
Perhaps the PD tickbox could be replaced with a radio button between two choices. One of the two must be picked before submitting. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes: What's not clear is how the ODbL+DbCL licence would help this situation. It would at least straightforwardly permit the publishing of map tiles without any attribution or share-alike requirement Disagree. (This has been gone over ad nauseam on

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Nick Whitelegg
It's everyone else who we have to worry about. In the last couple of months, I've personally noticed a national railway company, a charity with a turnover of £100m, a vast firm of couriers, a magazine publisher, a book publisher, all infringing our requirements/requests for attribution and

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden David Murn
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 19:47 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining. Many people have become accustomed to simply checking/accepting any terms and conditions displayed, for fear

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Jukka Rahkonen
Cartinus cartinus at xs4all.nl writes: On Monday 18 April 2011 04:47:30 Steve Coast wrote: Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM and they all ticked the PD box without even looking at it, it was very entertaining. And hereby the expected anti-PD campaign is officially started. I

[OSM-talk] View Access Blocked?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Steve Doerr
I'm finding I can't do anything at openstreetmap.org, not even visit the home page, without accepting or declining the contributor terms. I assume that this is because I'm logged in - hopefully a non-member just wanting to view the map would not have this difficulty. I can't even log out -

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Hiroshi Miura
Hi Toby, Good job! Thanks. I wanna use it for japanese osm mappers. Hiroshi OSM Foundation Japan On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Could you create a graph that shows the graph since you started collecting data in addition to or instead of just

Re: [OSM-talk] View Access Blocked?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabio Alessandro Locati
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote: Fortunately, I can get round it by using a different browser where I'm not logged in, but it's a bit of a pain. I think it should be considered a bug. Or a feature to make people press on 'Accept' or 'Decline ' ;) As

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabio Alessandro Locati
Is a really good piece of work :) I think it'll be very useful ;). The only thing I would add, but I'm not sure if it's a good idea, is a line for the people that still have to accept or decline it ( 286581 - agreed - disagreed). I'm only concerned about the scale that could be screwed, but I

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabio Alessandro Locati
Am I worng or the PD-box is for statistical use only? Fabio A Locati On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@latuviitta.fi wrote: Cartinus cartinus at xs4all.nl writes: On Monday 18 April 2011 04:47:30 Steve Coast wrote: Today I watched a few people sign up for OSM

[OSM-talk] Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again.

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Jorge Gustavo Rocha
Hi, Recently, when I try to upload my edits, the server (or JOSM?) is reporting: Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again. then it waits 10 seconds and continues afterwards. Is this some kind of overload protection mechanism on the server side? Is the server been to busy? Or it is on the JOSM

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:40:45 +0200 Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: In all the countries I know of ticking a checkbox is comparable to sign a printed contract, so I thin is pointless to have a written contract or a CopyPast thing ;) add Australia to your list of places

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: So do the produced map tiles (a Produced Work under the ODbL, I think, or am I mistaken there to?) have to be distributed under the ODbL also - or can you use any distribution terms as long as it has attribution - or what? ODbL 4.3 allows you to distribute Produced Works

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden pec...@gmail.com
2011/4/18 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:40:45 +0200 Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: In all the countries I know of ticking a checkbox is comparable to sign a printed contract, so I thin is pointless to have a written contract or a CopyPast

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Jukka Rahkonen
Fabio Alessandro Locati fabiolocati at gmail.com writes: Am I worng or the PD-box is for statistical use only? It may be there for statistics but no numbers have ever been published. The other possible reason for the existence of the tick box is to make PD-minded people feel happy and be

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Kenneth Gonsalves
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 20:02 +1000, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:40:45 +0200 Fabio Alessandro Locati fabioloc...@gmail.com wrote: In all the countries I know of ticking a checkbox is comparable to sign a printed contract, so I thin is pointless to have a written contract

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Elizabeth Dodd
I know, English is not my native one, but how it is related with checkbox as agreeing with printed contract? When you check that box, you agree that contract is final and valid. If you don't want to acept the terms, you simply don't check it. Or I don't get secret lawyers language? :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again.

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Claudius
Am 18.04.2011 11:37, Jorge Gustavo Rocha: Hi, Recently, when I try to upload my edits, the server (or JOSM?) is reporting: Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again. then it waits 10 seconds and continues afterwards. Is this some kind of overload protection mechanism on the server side? Is the

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Ed Avis
David Murn davey at incanberra.com.au writes: Infact, my GPS unit upon power up displays a warning about copyright and using while driving which you must accept, as if you try to proceed without accepting, it instantly powers off. What, it warns you that copyright doesn't apply? Excellent. --

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden 80n
Francis Thank you for your patience and the detail of your answers. This whole thing is a complicated business and the subtleties when various different licenses and so forth are combine are often unexpected. 80n On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Francis Davey fjm...@gmail.com wrote: That is

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Richard Weait
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:39 AM, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: It would seem to me that anyone who has agreed to the contributor terms and who then edits content that is published by OSM is in breach of the CC-BY-SA license. It seems to me that you are confused, but I think I see where that

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Francis Davey
On 18 April 2011 15:09, 80n 80n...@gmail.com wrote: Francis Thank you for your patience and the detail of your answers. This whole thing is a complicated business and the subtleties when various different licenses and so forth are combine are often unexpected. That's fine. I'm always happy

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Ed Avis
Richard Fairhurst richard at systemed.net writes: ODbL 4.3 allows you to distribute Produced Works under any licence as long as you provide attribution. [...] if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Ed Avis
Ed Avis eda at waniasset.com writes: [...] if you Publicly Use a Produced Work, You must include a notice associated with the Produced Work reasonably calculated to make any Person that uses, views, accesses, interacts with, or is otherwise exposed to the Produced Work aware that Content was

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden David Murn
Ive noticed a few discrepancies with the graph.. How come on the 2-day graph, the scale for decline goes 10300 to 10800 while on 5-day graph the range is 10200 to 10800. The accept scale is 0-100 on 2-day but 0-120 on 5-day. The upshot is that the 'accepted' value is 99.8% of the full range,

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: If you want to represent these important figures in statistics, can you at least use a common scale to avoid distorting peoples views of the figures?  Using deceptive graphing methods was a trick we were taught back in school as a child.  It doesnt

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Toby Murray
For what it's worth, I just legally signed my state tax return with nothing but a checkbox on a web form... Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Are CT contributors are in breach of the CC-BY-SA license?

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Kai Krueger
Richard Weait wrote: The OpenStreetMap database is currently available as CC-By-SA. Users are indicating their willingness to relicense their contributions, or not, under ODbL. Current edits are CC-By-SA. The OSM db is currently CC-By-SA, only. I am not sure that gets to the point 80n

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 17:25 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: It makes them readable. If you used the same scale you won't see the handful of no-votes against the 1 yes-votes. It appears the scales have changed, and the readability hasnt changed. If anything the 2 lines are now more

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Toby Murray
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 10:25 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/4/18 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au: If you want to represent these important figures in statistics, can you at least use a common scale to avoid distorting peoples views of the figures?  Using

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 10:27 -0500, Toby Murray wrote: For what it's worth, I just legally signed my state tax return with nothing but a checkbox on a web form... You mean all you had to do to do your tax, was check a checkbox and click accept? Or did you also provide information persuant to

[OSM-talk] OSM data used for X-Plane 10

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Alex Mauer
I just saw this blog post yesterday, saying that OSM data will be used for showing road networks in the terrain data for the X-Plane flight simulator in version 10. http://www.x-plane.com/blog/2011/04/openstreetmap-and-x-plane-10/ Cool stuff! —Alex Mauer “hawke”

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au:  I suspect that the number of places that have different contract laws is significantly higher than those places that dont recognise CC-BY-SA, I think you are ignoring the fact, that the problem was not whether a country recognizes CC-BY-SA but

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data used for X-Plane 10

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Alex Mauer ha...@hawkesnest.net: I just saw this blog post yesterday, saying that OSM data will be used for showing road networks in the terrain data for the X-Plane flight simulator in version 10. Yes, that's cool. There is also a screenshot here:

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Richard Fairhurst
Ed Avis wrote: To answer my own question - I guess that 'reasonably calculated to make...' suggests you should include an attribution notice and ask downstream users to respect it - although it doesn't mandate any particular choice of licence. So we would still have the attribution

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data used for X-Plane 10

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Alex Mauer
On 04/18/2011 11:03 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yes, that's cool. There is also a screenshot here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Main_Page No, that’s a screenshot of data imported using OSM2XP. OSM2XP is a third-party tool which imports buildings and certain scenery objects into

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com: While I agree that there is a problem with the no votes disapearing if you show the whole graph, it would be useful to show the same *range* on each scale. I.e., as we are currently showing 10300 - 10900 on the yes scale, show 0 to 600 on the no

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Thomas Davie
On 18 Apr 2011, at 18:45, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/4/18 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com: While I agree that there is a problem with the no votes disapearing if you show the whole graph, it would be useful to show the same *range* on each scale. I.e., as we are currently showing

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
Thomas Davie wrote: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. I agree that we can't clearly show that they're not at the same level, because it

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/18 Thomas Davie tom.da...@gmail.com: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. until today they were indeed growing at the same rate, while

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Steve Coast
Aren't you a few days late? :-) On 4/18/2011 8:27 AM, Toby Murray wrote: For what it's worth, I just legally signed my state tax return with nothing but a checkbox on a web form... Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Thomas Davie
On 18 Apr 2011, at 19:03, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Thomas Davie wrote: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. I agree that we can't clearly

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden John F. Eldredge
This year, the deadline for filing the Federal income-tax return in the USA is April 18th, and some states have probably altered their schedules to match. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box From :mailto:st...@asklater.com Date :Mon Apr 18 13:29:00 America/Chicago

Re: [OSM-talk] PD tick box

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Steve Coast
And there was me rushing to have it done by the 15th... On 4/18/2011 11:35 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: This year, the deadline for filing the Federal income-tax return in the USA is April 18th, and some states have probably altered their schedules to match. ---Original Email---

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Thomas Davie
I agree that we can't clearly show that they're not at the same level, because it would involve scaling the no vote to 1 100th of the size of the yes vote, but we can clearly show that they're not expanding at the same rate. This is just a simple graph. It is also important to see,

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Ben Laenen
Nathan Edgars II wrote: Thomas Davie wrote: Because it will show the genuine trend – at the moment, a quick glance at the graph would suggest that the no vote is expanding at the same rate, and at the same level as the yes vote. I agree that we can't clearly show that they're not at the

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Toby Murray
As a side question: how many users still need to either accept or decline? A lot. If you look at the two files that I am using to pull data from, you will see the users_agreed.txt file has a header in it explaining that there are 286,582 users that signed up before the new CT was put into place

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabio Alessandro Locati
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: ...which is ignoring the 70% or so of all of those people who never edited and can be switched over without incident. and the people that accepted during the registration -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan,

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: To answer my own question - I guess that 'reasonably calculated to make...' suggests you should include an attribution notice and ask downstream users to respect it - although it doesn't mandate any

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 13:49:19 -0500 Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: As a side question: how many users still need to either accept or decline? A lot. If you look at the two files that I am using to pull data from, you will see the users_agreed.txt file has a header in it

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 18:35 +0100, Thomas Davie wrote: While I agree that there is a problem with the no votes disapearing if you show the whole graph, it would be useful to show the same *range* on each scale. I actually meant that the 2 graphs had different scales. When youre showing

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Dermot McNally
On 19 April 2011 00:08, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I actually meant that the 2 graphs had different scales.  When youre showing numbers upto 80, fair enough use a scale of 0-100, but dont use 0-100 on one and 0-120 on the other, and call it an even comparison. Skewing graphs is

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden David Murn
On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 11:53 -0700, Steve Coast wrote: ...which is ignoring the 70% or so of all of those people who never edited and can be switched over without incident. That sounds like the thinking of the parties in a real vote, 'if everyone who didnt vote, voted for us, we would have

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Anthony
On Apr 18, 2011 9:30 AM, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: On 18 April 2011 05:05, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Frederik Ramm writes: No. To get access to (at least TeleAtlas's or Navteq's) data you will have to sign an agreement that binds you to much more than just

Re: [OSM-talk] License graph

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Richard Weait
http://rweait.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeusersstacked-year.png ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Am 17.04.2011 10:17, schrieb Ed Avis: andrzej zaborowski balrogg at gmail.com writes: I know a relatively big project that's currently using OSM data under CC-By-SA and may be in a nasty surprise when they find OSM is no longer suitable. Fortunately, there is an easy way to fix this: keep

Re: [OSM-talk] Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again.

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Nathan Edgars II
jgrocha wrote: Hi, Recently, when I try to upload my edits, the server (or JOSM?) is reporting: Waiting 10 seconds ... OK - trying again. then it waits 10 seconds and continues afterwards. Is this some kind of overload protection mechanism on the server side? Is the server been to

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Richard Weait
2011/4/18 Dirk-Lüder Kreie osm-l...@deelkar.net: I should note that I find the bulk of your email to be reasonable and thoughtful, whether I agree with specific points or not. So it appears now that I'm picking on you by singling out one point from your reasonable email. Sorry. :-) [ ... ]

Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap License Change Phase 3 Pre-Announcement

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Anders Arnholm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 2011-04-17 23:54, Frederik Ramm skrev: No. To get access to (at least TeleAtlas's or Navteq's) data you will have to sign an agreement that binds you to much more than just plain copyright. You just have to get into a store and give them money to

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nederlandse Wandelroutes

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Roeland Douma
Het is geen gewone SQL, maar je mag spatiele queries gaan maken. Lees http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-1.5/ eens door :) Cheers, --Roeland On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 17:28:47 +0200, Robert Elsenaar wrote: Om mijn vraag wat te specificeren: Ik gebruik: SELECT id, tags - 'name',

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen, wijken, buurten en admin_levels

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Roeland Douma
Hey! Lennard en ik zijn een tijdje terug druk bezig geweest met woonplaats (en dus ook gemeente) grenzen[1]. Je schema zoals je het beschrijft klopt wel zoals je kan zien op [2]. Echter als je de hiërarchie wil behouden zou ik een admin_level=12 introduceren en daarvan dan buurten maken. Het

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Nederlandse Wandelroutes

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden robert
Je wordt bedankt ;-) Als dyslectisch persoon is dat altijd al mijn hobby. ;-) Robert Citeren Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Het is geen gewone SQL, maar je mag spatiele queries gaan maken. Lees http://postgis.refractions.net/documentation/manual-1.5/ eens door :) Cheers, --Roeland On

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] POI's

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden robert
Thx, Kan ik de Stripclubs tenminste wer vinden. ;-) Robert Citeren Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Hij doet het weer :) Groet, --Roeland On Sun, 17 Apr 2011 19:48:04 +0200, Lennard wrote: On 17-4-2011 17:46, Rob wrote: poiexport draait niet op mijndev maar op productie, dat even

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen, wijken, buurten en admin_levels

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden robert
Roeland, Is dit ook nog een actief project of is deze reeds afgerond? Robert Citeren Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Hey! Lennard en ik zijn een tijdje terug druk bezig geweest met woonplaats (en dus ook gemeente) grenzen[1]. Je schema zoals je het beschrijft klopt wel zoals je kan zien op

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] POI's

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Floris Looijesteijn
Kunnen we hier misschien de categorie Oplaadpunten aan toevoegen? amenity=charging_station of amenity=fuel met fuel:electricity=yes Groet, Floris 2011/4/18 rob...@elsenaar.info: Thx, Kan ik de Stripclubs tenminste wer vinden. ;-) Robert Citeren Roeland Douma u...@rullzer.com: Hij

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] POI's

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden robert
Ja .. hallo ... Je gaat ons toch niet vertellen dat een OSM Mappende Fietsers met ELECTRISCHE fietsen rond rijden .. toch? Ik moet het moment nog beleven dat ik al wandelend langs een dergelijk oplaadpunt loop en daar Ldp, Ligfietser of zelfs Noordfiets zie staan. Ik zou

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] POI's

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Andre Engels
2011/4/18 rob...@elsenaar.info: Je gaat ons toch niet vertellen dat een OSM Mappende Fietsers met ELECTRISCHE fietsen rond rijden .. toch? Ik moet het moment nog beleven dat ik al wandelend langs een dergelijk oplaadpunt loop en daar Ldp, Ligfietser of zelfs Noordfiets zie staan. Ik

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] POI's

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Floris Looijesteijn
Nee, dit gaat om auto oplaadpunten, alhoewel ze op bijvoorbeeld het Sciencepark steevast in beslag worden genomen door scooters. Die dingen springen hier in Amsterdam als paddestoelen uit de grond tegenwoordig. Groet, Floris 2011/4/18 rob...@elsenaar.info: Ja .. hallo ... Je gaat

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] POI's

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Roeland Douma
Ik zal als ik thuis ben zal ik even kijken wat ik voor je kan doen. Misschien maar een groen thema-kaartje maken ook? Groet, --Roeland On Monday 18 April 2011 16:43:01 Floris Looijesteijn wrote: Nee, dit gaat om auto oplaadpunten, alhoewel ze op bijvoorbeeld het Sciencepark steevast in beslag

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen, wijken, buurten en admin_levels

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Lennard
On 18-4-2011 9:47, Roeland Douma wrote: Echter als je de hiërarchie wil behouden zou ik een admin_level=12 introduceren en daarvan dan buurten maken. Het slaat natuurlijk nergens We hebben gewoon erg veel onderverdelingen in NL. Nu al een 12 nodig? Poeh he. Een gemeente met stadsdelen kan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen, wijken, buurten en admin_levels

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Lennard
On 18-4-2011 13:39, rob...@elsenaar.info wrote: Roeland, Is dit ook nog een actief project of is deze reeds afgerond? Onze inmenging (het opvragen van woonplaatsbesluiten bij gemeenten en deze daarna invoeren in OSM) is op een erg laag pitje komen te staan, onder andere door het werk aan

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen, wijken, buurten en admin_levels

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Oliver Heesakkers
On Monday 18 April 2011 20:51:32 Lennard wrote: On 18-4-2011 9:47, Roeland Douma wrote: Echter als je de hiërarchie wil behouden zou ik een admin_level=12 introduceren en daarvan dan buurten maken. Het slaat natuurlijk nergens We hebben gewoon erg veel onderverdelingen in NL. Nu al een

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Woonplaatsen, wijken, buurten en admin_levels

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Lennard
On 18-4-2011 23:31, Oliver Heesakkers wrote: Daar ben ik het onmiddellijk mee eens. Het is al erg genoeg dat wij (samen met de Duitsers) een level meer nodig zouden hebben dan de rest van de wereld (waarvan we er dan ook nog eens twee niet gebruiken!) Niet veel landen zijn al zo ver dat ze

Re: [Talk-de] OSBL-Karte wird bunter

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 02:28:23PM +0200, Fabian Schmidt wrote: Hi, mit der Verfügbarkeit einer Liste[1] der Nutzer, die den Lizenzwechsel ablehnen, hab ich die Lizenzwechselkarte[2] umgefärbt und unterscheide jetzt drei Nutzergruppen, accept (grün), decline (rot) und den Rest (blau), sowie

[Talk-de] Verkehrsmessung/Profile

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Florian Lohoff
Hi irgendwann wird ja sowas wie IQ routes etc mal interessant. Dafuer muesste man die Daten ja mit Verkehrsprofilen anreichen - also peak/offpeak zeiten oder aehnliches. Dafuer mueste man so in meiner kleinen Gedankenwelt ja Verkehrsmessungen veranstalten d.h. wieviele Autos kommen in welcher

Re: [Talk-de] Where the streets have no name.... Karte zum Ausdrucken

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 16. April 2011 21:50 schrieb o...@tappenbeck.net o...@tappenbeck.net: Weiß einer von Euch eine Karte die man mit der entsprechenden Darstellung gut und für größeren Bereich ausdrucken kann ? Den no-name layer auf osm.org kennst Du? Evtl. kannst Du das mit bigmap.cgi oder so ausdrucken?

Re: [Talk-de] OSBL-Karte wird bunter

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabian Schmidt
Am 18.04.11 schrieb Florian Lohoff: Ich habe den Lizenzbedingungen wiedersprochen - dennoch wird alles Blau gezeigt ... gestern 20:00 noch nicht. Ich muss mal die expire-Strategie überdenken/überarbeiten. Viele Gruesse, Fabian. -- Institut für Informatik Universität Leipzig

[Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hallo, ich habe auf http://fred.dev.openstreetmap.org/ ein kleines Skript gebastelt, das erstens einen Balken anzeigt, an dem man sehen kann, wie viele Leute seit dem Wochenende auf agree bzw. auf disagree geklickt haben, und das zweitens zeigt, *wer* alles auf disagree geklickt hat.

Re: [Talk-de] OSBL-Karte wird bunter

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Fabian Schmidt
Am 18.04.11 schrieb Florian Lohoff: Ich habe den Lizenzbedingungen wiedersprochen - dennoch wird alles Blau gezeigt ... es liegt doch nicht am expire. Heute nacht haben sich 5% der Wege geändert, das Importskript läuft noch. Wenn Du runterscrollst, siehst Du das Datum der Lizenzdaten (wie

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Doru Julian Bugariu
Am 18.04.2011 10:46, schrieb Frederik Ramm: ein kleines Skript gebastelt, das erstens einen Balken anzeigt, an dem man sehen kann, wie viele Leute seit dem Wochenende auf agree bzw. auf disagree geklickt haben, und das zweitens zeigt, *wer* alles auf disagree geklickt hat. Wieso geht es

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Martin Czarkowski
Am 18.04.2011 11:27, schrieb Doru Julian Bugariu: Wieso geht es irgendwem an,*wer* auf disagree klickt? wieso denn nicht? Stehst Du nicht zu Deiner Meinung? Man kann die Sachen der disagree-Mapper schon mal neu erfassen, ich find das gut. Martin

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Chris66
Am 18.04.2011 11:32, schrieb Martin Czarkowski: wieso denn nicht? Stehst Du nicht zu Deiner Meinung? Man kann die Sachen der disagree-Mapper schon mal neu erfassen, ich find das gut. Dass nur die Disagreeer aber nicht die Agreeer aufgelistet werden ist schon ein bisschen unglücklich, finde

Re: [Talk-de] railway=* usage

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/4/16 Heiko Jacobs heiko.jac...@gmx.de: Am 16.04.2011 18:11, schrieb Felix Hartmann: Das mag so beschrieben sein, hat aber mit Openstreetmap usage wenig zu tun. Wenn das so sein soll, dann sollte hier auch geschrieben werden dass es nur um Gesetzliche Regeln +1 Bei usage=main ist die

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Frederik Ramm
Hallo, On 04/18/2011 11:39 AM, Chris66 wrote: Dass nur die Disagreeer aber nicht die Agreeer aufgelistet werden ist schon ein bisschen unglücklich, finde ich auch. Beide Listen sind oeffentlich: http://planet.openstreetmap.org/users_agreed/users_disagreed.txt

Re: [Talk-de] Verkehrsmessung/Profile

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Henning Scholland
So etwas statisch zu machen ist zu ungenau. Bspw. ist auf der Hauptstraße eine Baustelle, quält sich alles durch die engere Umleitung und schon ist das statische Modell hinfällig. Weiterhin tritt dann das Problem auf, dass du durch das Routing für eine Umverteilung sorgst.. Bsp. 2 parallele

Re: [Talk-de] Hilfe: Leere Relation E 54 Europastraße

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
Am 17. April 2011 17:19 schrieb fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Zu solchen Relation gilt im Übrigen das Gleiche wie zu den ICE-Relation. Kann man die nicht nach Ländern oder sogar in noch kleine Teile Gruppieren ? Wenn eine Bundestraße oder Autobahn die ganze Zeit auch Europastraße ist, kann

Re: [Talk-de] Auswertung der ersten Reaktionen auf Lizenzwechsel Phase 3

2011-04-18 Diskussionsfäden Henning Scholland
Am 18.04.2011 11:39, schrieb Chris66: Dass nur die Disagreeer aber nicht die Agreeer aufgelistet werden ist schon ein bisschen unglücklich, finde ich auch. Andersrum gehts aber nicht (also die grünen zu überzeugen) und auch an den Daten muss nichts neu erfasst werden, weil die ja unter CC-BY-SA

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