I think it's reasonably obvious by now that the two sides in this debate
aren't ever going to be reconciled.
It's not exclusively an .au problem, but it is mostly. If you look at
any of the analysis done recently, Australia simply hasn't taken to
ODbL+CT in the way that other countries have.
On 8 July 2011 18:08, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Jul 8, 2011, at 2:57, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote:
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
We've gone to insanely long lengths to make that the case, including getting
clarifications from Ordnance Survey, Nearmap and many others.
On 9 July 2011 02:10, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
Perhaps we're talking at cross purposes because most of the community I'm
familiar with, which is all of the EU and the US, consider government data a
nice starting point but mappers on the ground as generally much better. Is
the
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Richard Fairhurst
rich...@systemed.net wrote:
I think it's reasonably obvious by now that the two sides in this debate
aren't ever going to be reconciled.
[snip]
So, I think, we need to get away from this idea that a fork is a bad thing.
It isn't. There are
On 11/07/11 00:02, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
So please, let's stop hitting each other over the head with this.
That's a very unAustralian attitude.
John H
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On 11 July 2011 00:02, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Germany 90.1%
Great Britain 89.1%
France 96.8%
North America 96.4%
Russia 97.2%
Australia 48.4%
You didn't show Albania which has an even low acceptance rate, nor did
you comment
John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 00:02, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote:
Germany 90.1%
Great Britain 89.1%
France 96.8%
North America 96.4%
Russia 97.2%
Australia 48.4%
You didn't show Albania which has an even low acceptance rate,
On 11 July 2011 07:54, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Indeed, I was concentrating on the big guys. Albania isn't a big guy. Not
sure what your point is about imports but neither GB nor Germany have
particularly significant numbers of imports - the only major import we've
ever
John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 07:54, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote:
Indeed, I was concentrating on the big guys. Albania isn't a big guy. Not
sure what your point is about imports but neither GB nor Germany have
particularly significant numbers of imports - the only major
On 11 July 2011 08:16, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Can we not - both sides - agree to work on building up our own projects, and
making them as attractive as possible to users old and new, rather than
knocking the other one?
But my comment before sets the scene for how OSM-F
John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 08:16, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote:
Can we not - both sides - agree to work on building up our own projects, and
making them as attractive as possible to users old and new, rather than
knocking the other one?
But my comment before sets the
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 08:16, Richard Fairhurstrich...@systemed.net wrote:
Can we not - both sides - agree to work on building up our own projects,
and
making them as attractive as possible to users
On Sun, 2011-07-10 at 15:02 +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
I think it's reasonably obvious by now that the two sides in this debate
aren't ever going to be reconciled.
I guess that depends on your definition of reconciled.
It's not exclusively an .au problem, but it is mostly. If you look
On Jul 10, 2011, at 6:22 PM, David Murn wrote:
I think the biggest problem people in .au had was that there were some
issues which were specific to the Australian usage of OSM (imports of
gov data, etc). Those who sought to change the licence claimed to be
listening to people, but when
On 11 July 2011 11:55, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
We looked around for all the people claiming that we've been ignoring them
and can't actually find any posts by them on the legal lists or to the LWG
for many of the people involved. Of course, with so many fake names being
used
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:22 PM, John Smith wrote:
You keep making the same mistakes, and of course nothing is being
resolved because you stick your head in the sand and try and pretend
it will just magically take care of itself, all you are achieving
lately is showing how arrogant you can be and
On 11 July 2011 12:30, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
It's not worth my time responding to messages like this.
I wrote a completely rational, neutral and open email outlining the things
we've tried and asking for ideas of how to make it better.
Yes and didn't respond to a single
On 11 July 2011 12:42, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:34 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 12:30, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
It's not worth my time responding to messages like this.
I wrote a completely rational, neutral and open email outlining
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:45 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 12:42, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
On Jul 10, 2011, at 7:34 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 11 July 2011 12:30, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
It's not worth my time responding to messages like this.
I wrote a
I have only rarely made contributions to this list and never to the legal or LWG lists because I prefer to do things rather than talk about it. I have been contributing to OSM for over 5 years and, last I looked, I was about 800th in number of nodes and ways edited world wide. These
Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
I didn't, you are correct. I said I would however, if it was an email
assuming good faith and free of personal attacks. This is common is western
societies. Or at least polite societies :-)
Calling people trolls and puppets doesn't demonstrate an
[SNIP] Flames [/SNIP]
Hi, Sorry to get involved in this discussion. But it has been filling up my
inbox again.
Besides all the flames and smoke, what are the real issues here? I think
that we dont need to continue this endless discussion. Lets just stop the
fighting and do something more
On 11 July 2011 14:53, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Can we make a list of real issues to be resolved and stick with them. There
are some issues that wont be resolved, such as hurt feelings and lost trust.
But we dont need to have a fight to the death over them.
I'd like
Mark wrote
Out of interest - the greatest contributor to Australia-Oceania
according to http://odbl.de/australia-oceania.html is the accound used
for the suburb boundary / postcode boundary import. Once this is
excluded, does the figure for Australia improve a lot or only
marginally? (Is there
On 11 July 2011 15:09, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark wrote
Out of interest - the greatest contributor to Australia-Oceania
according to http://odbl.de/australia-oceania.html is the accound used
for the suburb boundary / postcode boundary import. Once this is
excluded, does
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 06:53 +0200, Mike Dupont wrote:
Besides all the flames and smoke, what are the real issues here? I
think that we dont need to continue this endless discussion. Lets just
stop the fighting and do something more productive.
I think a main issue here, comes down to what
Hi Nick,
Just a quick note that my understanding is those figures are generated
based on v1 history, none of the bot edits would have been v1 unless
they created a new entity, not just a new/modified tag.
David
On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 15:09 +1000, Nick Hocking wrote:
Hi Mark,
Yes if we
On 11 July 2011 15:19, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
That takes care of ways, but what about the 1.7million nodes attributed to me?
Sorry, that was total objects, only a pitiful 437k nodes.
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