Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Kim Oldfield via Talk-au
On 3/10/21 9:13 am, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au wrote: In my view, some of the data in OSM is incorrect as a footpath will some times have permission bicycle=yes which is incorrect. The majority of the time allowed access will have bicycle=unspecified (not defined)which I think is fine. The

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Thorsten Engler via Talk-au
Ah, I now see there are subtle differences in the definition of “road related area” in Victoria and NSW… While the NSW rules, as written, expand the definition of “road related area” to any public space which has as it’s primary purpose use by pedestrians, the Victoria rules do not seem to

[talk-au] Fwd: Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Sharing reply to list. Sebastian, when you reply to messages, please "Reply To All" as that will also send it to the list. If you only "Reply", your message will only go to the person who sent it (in this case, me), NOT the list, so nobody else will see it. Thanks Graeme -- Forwarded

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread osm.talk-au
>>> In addition there is Karl Cheng's opinion (Mon Sep 20 talk-au) that "this whole "Road Rules" regulation only applies to "roads" and "road related areas". Only footpaths adjacent to a "road", or any path explicitly designated for cyclists are considered to be "road related areas". See rules

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au
Hi Tony Advice from Vic Police has only been verbal. They won’t go into writing. I verified this with a friend of mine who is a cop. They referred me to the penalties listed on the Vic Roads websites that carries a $545 fine for riding on a footpath. This information is freely available.

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread osm.talk-au
bicycle=designated implies the presence of one of these signs: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/894078435264196668 /unknown.png bicycle=no implies the presence of this sign: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/894078611248807946 /unknown.png The

[talk-au] Re-tagging issues

2021-10-02 Thread forster
Hi Sebastian Thanks for splitting off [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths. I have grouped together a number of remaining issues here lest they get overlooked. There are a few other issues that have been raised at https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-discussion-comments?uid=11210886 It

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Matthew Seale
Hi Sebastian The full version of the Victorian Road rules can be found here (or via the link from the VicRoads website) https://www.legislation.vic.gov.au/in-force/statutory-rules/road-safety-road-rules-2017/014H As noted in an earlier comment on this forum the Vic road rules apply in roads

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread forster
Hi Sebastian Welcome to talk-au A NOTE FOR NON-AUSTRALIANS reading this a UK pavement or a US sidewalk is an Australian footpath I agree with Graeme Fitzpatrick's opinion

Re: [talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 08:17, Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > the strict rules the cyclists must follow and not ride on footpaths due to > Victorian Road Rules. Victorian cyclists know that we are not permitted to > ride of footpaths. > Not arguing with you but:

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Thorsten Engler via Talk-au
>> Bing is almost right: -0.15; 1.79 > I get -0.10;1.50 which, considering... I only eyeballed it by trying to move the imagery such that fence lines matched up with DCDB parcel boundaries... so I would say that's well within margin of error. ___

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread osm.talk-au
The correct offset for imagery can change very quickly from one place to another (alignment could be right at one place and off 100m down the road if the imagery is distorted). JOSM has an “imagery offset database” if you install the right plugin:

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Is there any way for all of the various sets of imagery to be automatically corrected to each other to get around this problem? Thanks Graeme On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 at 12:02, Andrew Davidson wrote: > On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:46 PM Thorsten Engler via Talk-au > wrote: > > I would assume that

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:46 PM Thorsten Engler via Talk-au wrote: > I would assume that the lot boundaries recorded in DCDB are "exact" and any > discrepancy between them and the physical world come down to the margin of > errors the surveyors did when placing boundary pegs at some point. I

[talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

2021-10-02 Thread Sebastian Azagra via Talk-au
Hi there, I’m starting a new thread in relation to recent discussion regarding access on footpaths which have bicycle=No In the Melbourne Bikepath cycling community there has been vigorous discussion relating to the strict rules the cyclists must follow and not ride on footpaths due to

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Thorsten Engler via Talk-au
The data in OSM right now does not get anywhere close to being aligned with currently available Esri, Bing, or Maxar Premium. I would assume that the lot boundaries recorded in DCDB are "exact" and any discrepancy between them and the physical world come down to the margin of errors the surveyors

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Little Maps
Bob, Quilpie seems to have a good coverage on the Strava Heatmap. I can only see the low res version atm. I’ll have a look at the high res version next time I’m on the computer. It’s quite likely that the high res heatmap has a much higher density of gps traces than do the OSM gps tracks. If

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Bob Cameron
Wow, what a changeset! Bing was 2010-2012. The Maxar Premium seems the most recent. Whatever the case with the buildings, the roads tend to be used as anchors for many features. I guess the opinion I am looking for is that if a formal source can't be found/used, will my GPS run tomorrow (plus

Re: [talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Warin
On 2/10/21 5:27 pm, Bob Cameron wrote: I am currently near this nice quiet place and am leaving shortly. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.6176/144.2666 I note that there is a fairly large discrepancy between some of the roads and the public GPS traces. The main E-W highway is also

[talk-au] Way errors in Quilpie Qld

2021-10-02 Thread Bob Cameron
I am currently near this nice quiet place and am leaving shortly. https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-26.6176/144.2666 I note that there is a fairly large discrepancy between some of the roads and the public GPS traces. The main E-W highway is also split, but not in OSM. Imagery and GPS