Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

2022-04-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 15:36, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > It means JOSM hasn't downloaded all the member ways, in one of the panels > on the right showing the relation, right clicking download incomplete > members will fetch them all. > Ah, so everything is in fact actually OK, it's just not

Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

2022-04-07 Thread stevea
On Apr 7, 2022, at 10:36 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > It means JOSM hasn't downloaded all the member ways, in one of the panels on > the right showing the relation, right clicking download incomplete members > will fetch them all. Yes, Graeme, if you see in the bottom left pane of JOSM's

Re: [talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread stevea
On Apr 7, 2022, at 10:31 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Well your router would need to look up the specific default whether that's > something in the routing engine configuration, pulled from the OSM wiki, or > pulled from the Victoria state relation def:* tags. Right, I agree: that's part of the

Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

2022-04-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 15:31, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > Was going to mention a couple of days ago - it worked!!! :-) > > Was able to successfully create my lake with an island in it & have also > added islands to other lakes already mapped as MP :sunglasses" :-) > > So thanks everybody for your

Re: [talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 14:53, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 12:50, Andrew Harvey > wrote: > >> >> I think this is getting too much into mapping regulations, we could just >> have no bicycle tag and leave it to data consumers to apply the regional >> defaults. >> > >

Re: [talk-au] JOSM multipolygon how-to?

2022-04-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
Was going to mention a couple of days ago - it worked!!! :-) Was able to successfully create my lake with an island in it & have also added islands to other lakes already mapped as MP :sunglasses" :-) So thanks everybody for your help! :-) Another question though, thanks. I'm seeing some

Re: [talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread stevea
On Apr 7, 2022, at 9:53 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > I think this is getting too much into mapping regulations, we could just have > no bicycle tag and leave it to data consumers to apply the regional defaults. > > What would that do to bike routing? There is bicycle infrastructure tagging

Re: [talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 12:50, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > I think this is getting too much into mapping regulations, we could just > have no bicycle tag and leave it to data consumers to apply the regional > defaults. > What would that do to bike routing? Thanks Graeme

[talk-au] Tagging bicycle on footpath laws Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 07:37, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 17:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bicycles are allowed on footpaths in Victoria . . . >> > > Which, to me, means that all footpaths should be bike=yes, as "some" > people are allowed to ride on

Re: [talk-au] admin_level, suburbs and rendering; should the order be updated?

2022-04-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 at 09:33, Dian Ågesson wrote: > Hey all, > > Resurrecting this thread to see if there are any objections to > implementing the following changes as part of the cleanup: > > > -Removing admin_level=7 > Was there a resolution for Andrew Davidson's comment about ACT districts

Re: [talk-au] admin_level, suburbs and rendering; should the order be updated?

2022-04-07 Thread Dian Ågesson
Hey all, Resurrecting this thread to see if there are any objections to implementing the following changes as part of the cleanup: -Removing admin_level=7 -Moving localities to admin_level=9 Dian On 2021-12-04 22:29, Dian Ågesson wrote: Hey Andrew, Forgive my ignorance; how should we

Re: [talk-au] HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 at 17:54, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > Bicycles are allowed on footpaths in Victoria . . . > Which, to me, means that all footpaths should be bike=yes, as "some" people are allowed to ride on them, unless they are specifically signed as bike=no. Thanks Graeme

Re: [talk-au] Bicycle access tags in Victoria Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread forster
Hi Sebastian, You say "The re-tagging of ways I have been undertaking aligns with the Australian Tagging guidelines". I think you are referring to the words "Cycling is not permitted on footpaths in NSW or Vic., and highway=footway should be used in general circumstances." I think you

Re: [talk-au] HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread iansteer
I think that unless there is explicit signage forbidding bicycles, the ways should be constructed to permit bicycles (particularly if usage of bicycles on that path is common). In other words, use highway=path (always my preferred), or if you must use highway=footway, add bicycle=yes. Ian

Re: [talk-au] Bicycle access tags in Victoria Was: Re: HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread Sebastian Azagra Flores via Talk-au
Thanks Andrew. It does appear we are both looking at the same thing through different lenses. The re-tagging of ways I have been undertaking aligns with the Australian Tagging guidelines, hence I’m not exactly clear on the objection as the guidelines say that highway=footway should generally

[talk-au] Bicycle access tags in Victoria was HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread forster
Thanks Warin, pedantic mode is appreciated, but what position do you support? Presumably leave a path as a path and do not change it to a footway? Tony Bicycles are allowed on footpaths in Victoria   .  .  . if rider has a medical or other exemption allowing them to ride on the

Re: [talk-au] HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread Andrew Harvey
Hi Tony and Sebastian, There's a lot to take in here, but it does look like both of you care deeply about cycle mapping in Melbourne and working with the best intentions to make OSM data as accurate and complete as possible. You're both engaging in discussion of the actual changes so to me

Re: [talk-au] Precedence of alt naming

2022-04-07 Thread Warin
I'd hope (no proof!) that the DCS map uses the Geographical Name Register (GNR) of NSW for the name. The 'local name' might be just that - used locally. Both 'names' need to be recorded. On 7/4/22 09:59, Andrew Harvey wrote:

Re: [talk-au] HighRouleur edits

2022-04-07 Thread forster
Hi Sebastian Thanks for participating in this discussion. You say "Hence by definition in Victoria, bikes aren't explicitly permitted without signage". This is the area where we disagree and I believe you are out of step with the consensus. There are many places where bikes are implicitly