Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-15 Thread Andrew Harvey
Stephen's reply is pretty spot on. But also, On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Of all the ways in Australia, less than 50% have source tag for how the location/name information was derived. Of those that do, around half indicate some form of imagery

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-14 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 6 September 2011 19:33, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: With the use of source tags you won't have to, you can filter out anything without source=survey leaving you with a map with just surveyed data (in theory). You filtering out data you don't like is a much better option

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-06 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: As you say, time isn't the only consideration.  I wouldn't want to be navigating anywhere important based on a map merely consisting of vectorised aerial imagery.  IMO OSMers are the ones who should be having the

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 5 September 2011 14:31, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: You need to be explicit about the comparison you're making. This is volunteer labour, and you can't meaningfully compare the contribution that people are willing to make against the contribution you'd prefer they make. And if

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: As I said, it is an issue as old as OSM that isn't likely to be resolved here and now.  You may recall in the early days of segments, there was a capability to add a path from tracing, which didn't appear on the map, and

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: The imagery never becomes available before the on the ground geography. Giving eager mapers time to fill in via survey before the imagery comes. Not always true, actually. New building sites appear on Nearmap (yes,

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Ben Kelley
I wonder if this thread may have deviated a little from my original topic, but anyway: I noticed some un-mapped streets on Sydney's northern beaches. They look to be under construction on Bing (and not particularly clear in the photo) so they could use a survey, if anyone happens to be in the

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Nick Hocking
Someone wrote Yep. A one-way street mapped as a two-way street is better than nothing. To me this statement absoluetly defines the difference between people who just want to see lots of lines on the map and people who want to actually use the map for navigation. Many moons ago I was driving on

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Ian Sergeant
I wrote: Personally, I think people shouldn't map areas when they don't have any knowledge of the topology and layout because I think fixing errors takes several orders of magnitude longer than the tracing. On 6 September 2011 10:31, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: Who cares?

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-05 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. A one-way street mapped as a two-way street is better than nothing. To me this statement absoluetly defines the difference between people who just want to see lots of lines on the map and people who want to

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-04 Thread Sam Couter
Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: Next trip will be in a week, but it will be my daughter's birthday and I don't know if I'll have time. Update on Cowra mapping: I went to a birthday party, I flew a kite, I built a fence, I fed some cows, I drove a semi-trailer, but I did not collect street

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-04 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: Since you asked: One way streets? Yep. A one-way street mapped as a two-way street is better than nothing.   Roads with barriers at the end of them? It's highly unlikely that a truly impassable (by bike) street would

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-01 Thread Ian Sergeant
On 30 August 2011 16:41, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Roads without names are almost as valuable as roads with names for certain uses. (Eg, choosing a route to save to a GPS works just as well without names) One way streets? Roads with barriers at the end of them? Roads

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-09-01 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 8:40 PM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 August 2011 16:41, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Surveying suburban streets by GPS these days makes about as much sense as using a horse and cart on a freeway... This tracing vs survey argument is as

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: The other interesting thing is that when I was finished, pretty much none of the ways I drew and/or imported from the gps, had names on them!  (I did the surveying alone and didn't care to pull over every time I saw a sign, or to

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-31 Thread Mark Pulley
On 26/08/2011, at 1:33 PM, Nick Hocking wrote: I'm sure all the avid tracersout there will deny this,but, I believe that this is the downside to tracing. Once an area looks well mapped, there is little incentive for anyone to go there to map it properly. I'd really like it if all roads

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Nick Hocking nick.hock...@gmail.com wrote: this is the downside to tracing.  Once an area looks well mapped, there is little incentive for anyone to go there to map it properly. I'd really like it if all roads that don't have names yet (in OSM) were just

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-26 Thread Nick Hocking
Hi Ben, I'm sure all the avid tracersout there will deny this,but, I believe that this is the downside to tracing. Once an area looks well mapped, there is little incentive for anyone to go there to map it properly. I'd really like it if all roads that don't have names yet (in OSM) were just

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-26 Thread John Henderson
On 26/08/11 13:33, Nick Hocking wrote: I'd really like it if all roads that don't have names yet (in OSM) were just deleted. Then II'd be much more inclined to drive there and collect all the infomation. Having a quick look around, it looks like one of us needs to put some names onto the

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-26 Thread Liz
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:32:14 +1000 John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 26/08/11 13:33, Nick Hocking wrote: I'd really like it if all roads that don't have names yet (in OSM) were just deleted. Then II'd be much more inclined to drive there and collect all the infomation. Having

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-26 Thread John Henderson
On 27/08/11 06:47, Liz wrote: A lot of those streets were placed by a particular person whom I know traced from Google in particular places. I'll stop that accusation there. I haven't been able to put many names to streets in Cowra because I don't travel through there often. If the streets are

Re: [talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-26 Thread Sam Couter
Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: A lot of those streets were placed by a particular person whom I know traced from Google in particular places. I'll stop that accusation there. I haven't been able to put many names to streets in Cowra because I don't travel through there often. I do, and I've

[talk-au] Missing streets in Sydney

2011-08-19 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I was driving around. Sydney's eastern suburbs the other night with OSM maps in my Garmin GPS when I noticed a street that wasn't on the map. These are not new streets, so I checked at home on the web against aerial photos. There were a few missing. I suspect the cause is that this part of