Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-13 Thread Warin
On 12/09/19 21:06, Sebastian S. wrote: Good discussion, I also think the track should be mapped. Aside from access no I think it might be worthwhile adding decommissioned or rehabilitation tags to tracks that should not be used to indicate their intended end. Other thoughts are: - why show

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-13 Thread Warin
September 2019 6:04 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands Hi, On 12.09.19 09:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: "Come for a serious bushwalk or a casual jog, visit a lookout in the winter for whale watching off the coast, or break out the binoc

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-13 Thread forster
Frederik Sorry for the delay replying There are indeed some nuances, for example there is general agreement in the community not to map the nesting places of rare birds (lest eggs be stolen), and a similar general agreement exists for things like women's refuges Ecological damage from the

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Phil Wyatt
between states. Cheers - Phil -Original Message- From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2019 6:04 PM To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands Hi, On 12.09.19 09:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: > &q

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Sebastian S.
Good discussion, I also think the track should be mapped. Aside from access no I think it might be worthwhile adding decommissioned or rehabilitation tags to tracks that should not be used to indicate their intended end. Other thoughts are: - why show access=no tracks on the map? Admittedly

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Ewen Hill
> > Frederick, If I use the term bush walking colloquially, then it means to use a track that already exists., either single track or 4wd track (fire trail) predominantly however there might be times where you cross a grass land where there is no well defined track. If you are talking about

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12.09.19 09:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: > "Come for a serious bushwalk or a casual jog, visit a lookout in the > winter for whale watching off the coast, or break out the binoculars for > birdwatching. There are cycling opportunities on fire trails and plenty > of chances to cool off in

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 17:29, Frederik Ramm wrote: > "Come for a serious bushwalk or a casual jog, visit a lookout in the > winter for whale watching off the coast, or break out the binoculars for > birdwatching. There are cycling opportunities on fire trails and plenty > of chances to cool off

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12.09.19 08:16, Andrew Harvey wrote: > Within the Illawarra Escarpment State Conservation Area, NPWS says the > only two things prohibited are Pets and > Smoking,  >

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-12 Thread Andrew Harvey
First up, I appreciate your work mediating here Frederik, thank you. On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 15:46, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 12.09.19 06:27, Andrew Harvey wrote: > > It's always better to have this mapped based on confirmations on the > > ground, and it appears in this case that the local

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 12.09.19 06:27, Andrew Harvey wrote: > It's always better to have this mapped based on confirmations on the > ground, and it appears in this case that the local mapper Zhent, has > been mapping based on local knowledge. I have a feeling that Zhent's "foot=yes" might not mean "there is a

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 13:45, Greg Lauer wrote: > Hi Frederick, > > There is 'authoratative' data available for NPWS estate - > https://data.nsw.gov.au/data/dataset?q=NPWS+track===_format=_id==score+desc%2C+metadata_modified+desc > and > we have a waiver - >

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 12/9/19 05:31, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Since then the pressure from the mountain bike community to has map everything has reduced,  presumably the mountain bike  community has realized that OSM is one of the tools the authorities use to locate illegal trails. That's only going to

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 06:23, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 9/11/19 21:31, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > > The construction and use of unauthorized trails is illegal with large > > penalties (though I have never heard of a prosecution). > > Are there sources that are not restricted by copyright

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 at 23:40, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > the DWG was drawn into an edit war regarding several paths that were > mapped in this area: > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-34.3740/150.8761 > > The argument is about in how far the (largely north-south running) paths > are

[talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Greg Lauer
Hi Frederick, There is 'authoratative' data available for NPWS estate - https://data.nsw.gov.au/data/dataset?q=NPWS+track===_format=_id==score+desc%2C+metadata_modified+desc and we have a waiver - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue. The problem is that the data is not

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Tony, On 9/11/19 21:31, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: > The construction and use of unauthorized trails is illegal with large > penalties (though I have never heard of a prosecution). Are there sources that are not restricted by copyright that we could use to determine which trails are

Re: [talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread forster
Hi Frederik This reminds me of a thread that I started on this list about 2 years ago. It related to illegal mountain bike tracks in Lysterfield Park, Victoria Australia. The construction and use of unauthorized trails is illegal with large penalties (though I have never heard of a

[talk-au] Paths in Illawarra Conservation Lands

2019-09-11 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, the DWG was drawn into an edit war regarding several paths that were mapped in this area: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/-34.3740/150.8761 The argument is about in how far the (largely north-south running) paths are "illegal" and whether they need to be removed from the map because