Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2011 18:04, waldo000...@gmail.com waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with the access suggestion, eg access:caravan=yes/no/designated/unsuitable You mean caravan=*, right? This is already listed at

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Nope I meant what I said, access:caravan=* same with access:4wd=* As I understand it, foot, motorcar, bicycle, hgv etc are all considered subtags of the access tag. So, for consistency, it would be caravan=no, just like

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2011 18:56, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Nope I meant what I said, access:caravan=* same with access:4wd=* As I understand it, foot, motorcar, bicycle, hgv etc are all considered subtags of

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I dont think basing a decision on those previous tags is a good idea. It's documented and everything. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access I can't see any basis for doing this one differently. But why don't

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 February 2011 19:28, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:14 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I dont think basing a decision on those previous tags is a good idea. It's documented and everything. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 19:56:03 +1100 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:25 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Nope I meant what I said, access:caravan=* same with access:4wd=* As I understand it, foot, motorcar, bicycle, hgv etc are all

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: will the caravan=no belong on the cycleway or will it belong on the main way? Heh. Ever heard of a bike path that permitted caravans? This discussion just informs us that the access tagging system has faults. Discuss

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread {withheld}
Here is a suggestion: Whenever a situation like this comes up (i.e. posted signage which does not fit neatly in a predetermined/official tag case), why not introduce a new tag: signposted: Literal text from sign ...on the basis such a thing cannot be questioned, because that is what is

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread John Henderson
On 17/02/11 20:16, {withheld} wrote: Here is a suggestion: Whenever a situation like this comes up (i.e. posted signage which does not fit neatly in a predetermined/official tag case), why not introduce a new tag: signposted: Literal text from sign ...on the basis such a thing cannot

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread 4x4falcon
I've been tagging these with caravan=no where I've found them. I'd suggest caravan=no if not at all and caravan=unsuitable if it's only signposted as not suitable. This is in keeping with the other tags like 4wd_only=yes/no/recommended. I'd also suggest adding the signposted= or

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 08:02 +0100, waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Make a new specific tag (unsuitable_for_caravans=yes; source:unsuitable_for_caravans=survey), and document it on the wiki (with a photo of a sign). At least that's explicit and clear. I see the problem with my HGV proposal. On my

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread John Smith
I agree with the access suggestion, eg access:caravan=yes/no/designated/unsuitable I now regret using 4wd_only, this should have be an access: tag instead, eg access:4wd=only/yes/no etc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-17 Thread David Murn
On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:43 +1000, John Smith wrote: I agree with the access suggestion, eg access:caravan=yes/no/designated/unsuitable I now regret using 4wd_only, this should have be an access: tag instead, eg access:4wd=only/yes/no etc This should be quite easy to script a change for, as

[talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread John Smith
Saw a couple of roads signed unsuitable for caravans which seems like council butt covering but I'm not sure how to tag it since it's a sign to discourage rather than to disallow. -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Saw a couple of roads signed unsuitable for caravans which seems like council butt covering but I'm not sure how to tag it since it's a sign to discourage rather than to disallow. IMHO, the poor sap who plans his

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread John Henderson
On 17/02/11 12:58, John Smith wrote: Saw a couple of roads signed unsuitable for caravans which seems like council butt covering but I'm not sure how to tag it since it's a sign to discourage rather than to disallow. I've got at least one to tag also. Maybe access:caravan=unsuitable

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread David Murn
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 14:50 +1100, John Henderson wrote: On 17/02/11 12:58, John Smith wrote: Saw a couple of roads signed unsuitable for caravans which seems like council butt covering but I'm not sure how to tag it since it's a sign to discourage rather than to disallow. I've got at

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread John Henderson
On 17/02/11 16:12, David Murn wrote: Presumably if its unsuitable for caravans, its also unsuitable for HGV? Maybe simply re-use the HGV access tags already in place? I think they should be kept separate - there'll likely be places where caravans are permitted (encouraged even), but HGVs not

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread waldo000...@gmail.com
Make a new specific tag (unsuitable_for_caravans=yes; source:unsuitable_for_caravans=survey), and document it on the wiki (with a photo of a sign). At least that's explicit and clear. On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 2:58 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.comwrote: Saw a couple of roads signed

Re: [talk-au] Unsuitable for caravans

2011-02-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 February 2011 15:52, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 17/02/11 16:12, David Murn wrote: Presumably if its unsuitable for caravans, its also unsuitable for HGV? Maybe simply re-use the HGV access tags already in place? I think they should be kept separate - there'll likely be