Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:32:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Lake Gairdner and Lake Torrens are natural=coastline Well there both now natural=water as they are both single ways less than 1000 nodes and there's no need for them to

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
I just updated all the world boundaries and shore lines etc on maps.bigtincan.com and this is the dates of files: -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 3461233 Mar 10 2007 builtup_area.dbf -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001279020 Mar 10 2007 builtup_area.index -rw-r--r-- 1 1001 1001 513 Mar 10 2007

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/10/2009, at 2:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Lake Eyre etc is so big they used natural=coastline... Although this comes back to the question the other day, where does the coastline start/end, legally speaking it cuts across bays, it doesn't go round them or up rivers... I looked into this a

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 James Livingston doc...@mac.com: On 06/10/2009, at 2:12 PM, John Smith wrote: Lake Eyre etc is so big they used natural=coastline... Although this comes back to the question the other day, where does the coastline start/end, legally speaking it cuts across bays, it doesn't go round

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread Jim Croft
For OSM purposes (as opposed to general mapping) the answer should not be complicated. If at high tide you drive into the water, you have driven over a functional coast into the sea... :) Of course, this won't work for mariners and lawyers... :) My favourite estuary is the Fly River in PNG. It

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread James Livingston
On 06/10/2009, at 11:37 PM, Jim Croft wrote: Of course, this won't work for mariners and lawyers... :) No, but there are (proposed) tags to indicate the low-tide mark, and the OpenSeaMap guys might have something for other various maritime boundaries. My favourite estuary is the Fly River

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-06 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/10/6 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: If you look at this from the point of view of territorial waters the coastline is from either the high or low tide marks, they spell it out in legalese and I can't remember off the top of my head, but the coast line cuts across any

[talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
I've noticed lots of the islands off the Queensland coast have had their coastlines changed to natural=land. From the wiki this is incorrect. natural=land is for Land that exists within another area, such as a lake. additionally look here:

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
They will render still. Depends. Look at informationfreeway.org for this area at zooms less than 12 and you will see that most of the islands are missing. The roads on Hamilton Island are in the middle of the water. -- Cheers Ross ___

[talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: They will render still. Depends. Look at informationfreeway.org for this area at zooms less than 12 and you will see that most of the islands are missing.  The

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:26:50 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: They will render still. Depends.

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:26:50 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:22:59 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com:

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Have a read of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Coastline Anything big enough to appear on z9 is most likely going to have more than 2000 nodes... That's one reason to use the shape files for the coastlines and if it's not tagged as natural=coastline when the shape files

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com: Have a read of this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Coastline Anything big enough to appear on z9 is most likely going to have more than 2000 nodes... That's one reason to use the shape files for the coastlines and if it's not tagged

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Only at z0-9, at least according to the wiki link you posted, not sure what happens after that, but natural=land will show up at z10- There are three shape files that can be used, which cover all zoom levels. They are world_boundaries, coastlines and shorelines. Also just looking at Lake Eyre

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
Sorry, the 2 below it, if you zoom in to z10 you can see where Lake Eyre appears and at z9 it disappears. Interesting, on openstreetmap.org Lake Eyre appears from z6 whereas on bigtincan its from z9, so depends on how your osm.xml file is setup for mapnik. -- Cheers Ross

Re: [talk-au] natural=land v natural=coastline

2009-10-05 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 15:32:49 +1000 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Lake Gairdner and Lake Torrens are natural=coastline Well there both now natural=water as they are both single ways less than 1000 nodes and there's no need for them to be natural=coastline. -- Cheers Ross