Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks

2015-07-29 Thread Andrew Davidson
If the path exists then shouldn't it be tagged access=no + foot=yes?  From:fors...@ozonline.com.au fors...@ozonline.com.au Date:Thu, 30 Jul, 2015 at 11:53 Subject:Re: [talk-au] Unauthorised bike trails in national parks Thanks for the replies The track exists and is mappable. It is not blocked

Re: [talk-au] High country huts

2015-07-19 Thread Andrew Davidson
The correct tagging seems to be straight forward: tourism=alpine_hut indicates that there is a Permanent human presence during the opening period from staff to provide services (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dalpine_hut). tourism=wilderness_hut means that there are sleeping

Re: [talk-au] Question - restricted turning restrictions

2015-08-25 Thread Andrew Davidson
After much head scratching, reading the wiki and tagging mail-list the best I could come up with is: type = restriction restriction:conditional= no_left_turn @ length 19 See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Conditional_restrictions However I can see two problems: 1. There are only 11 

Re: [talk-au] Average speed limit cameras

2015-09-17 Thread Andrew Davidson
> At 220 km/h average speed you would need to pull over and wait some 5 minutes > 13.04 seconds to be 'safe' (from a fine). If you are driving a car you don't even need to bother to wait. Currently in NSW point-to-point cameras are only used to check heavy vehicle speeds. 

Re: [talk-au] Melbourne Airport (mapped as both node and way)

2015-10-01 Thread Andrew Davidson
You might as well clean it up as somebody is eventually going to find it here: http://keepright.ipax.at/report_map.php?schema=50=56568170 and do it anyway. On Wednesday, 30 September 2015, 19:31, Andrew Harvey wrote: Currently Melbourne Airport appears in

Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

2015-09-25 Thread Andrew Davidson
I'd prefer going with access rather than opening_hours for a couple of reasons: 1. Opening_hours is more geared towards POIs whereas access applies to ways (which is what the wiki entry for opening_hours hints at).2. Putting in opening_hours="Closed during Total Fire Ban days" causes the JOSM

Re: [talk-au] NSW NP tracks closed during total fire ban days

2015-09-25 Thread Andrew Davidson
I'm an eejit; JOSM only complains if you don't escape the comment in the opening_hours value with quotation marks. So your tag will quite happily survive. On Friday, 25 September 2015, 16:16, Andrew Davidson <u...@yahoo.com> wrote: I'd prefer going with access rathe

[talk-au] NSW LPI layers in JOSM was Re: Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

2015-12-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
Having done a bit of reading I think it may be more polite to use the TMS version of the layers. It would appear that the WMS version requires processing on the server side where as the TMS version is just pointing to pre-rendered images.  The base map address is below in Cam's email. The

[talk-au] Attributing NSW LPI data was Re: Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

2015-12-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
Can we have something simplier, like map.lpi.nsw.gov.au or imagery.lpi.nsw.gov.au? If people want to import the vector data then we'd have to tag that differently (and go through the import process). The date is a bit of a problem as it's going to be any date after now. If you tag your

Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

2015-12-08 Thread Andrew Davidson
W LPI layers in JOSM was Re: Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Info...[talk-au] NSW LPI layers in JOSM was Re: Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM Andrew Davidson u887 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 6 09:22:17 UTC 2015 | | | | View on lists.openstreetmap.o

Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data in JOSM

2015-12-05 Thread Andrew Davidson
It's easier to go with the WMS versions by choosing add WMS and pointing at: http://maps.six.nsw.gov.au/arcgis/services/public/NSW_Imagery/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilities=WMS for the aerial imagery.

Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

2015-12-05 Thread Andrew Davidson
Rather ironically I'm about half a dozen suburbs from completing Sydney.  When I started other people had done about 25% of the suburbs and I carried on with their approach of using the existing OSM map features that corresponded to the boundaries which are mostly streets, property boundaries

Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

2015-12-09 Thread Andrew Davidson
>Something is wrong with my mailing program... :-[ >I have just checked on the talk_au archive on the web ... >I am missing a few messages .. one of which makes Andrews' position >clear. Apologises to those concerned! It's not just your mail program, I'm finding that not all of the list

Re: [talk-au] Explicit Permission to use NSW Land and Property Information data

2015-12-09 Thread Andrew Davidson
Attribution/New South Wales Government Data/FullLetter - OpenStreetMap Wiki |   | |   |   |   |   |   | | Attribution/New South Wales Government Data/FullLetter - OpenStreetMap WikiReturn-Path: Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.42]) by

Re: [talk-au] Inappropriate tagged areas

2015-12-16 Thread Andrew Davidson
You're not likely to get much of a response from the editors you contacted. The Barrington Tops boundary was drawn in by a user that hasn't edited for 5 years. http://osm.mapki.com/history/way.php?id=25968044 An the Myall edits about 2 years old. The Blue Mountains boundary dates back to

Re: [talk-au] Importing Vicmap Lite data

2015-12-13 Thread Andrew Davidson
It has been pointed out to me (see OpenStreetMap | Changeset: 33674611) that we don't have explicit permission to use any of the Vic Data products. I've tried contacting them without any success. It would appear that others have managed to get them to respond (see this thread [OSM-legal-talk]

[talk-au] Possible illegal imports in Western Australia

2016-06-23 Thread Andrew Davidson
I've just noticed that this user: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/aaronsta has been busily importing a number of Landgate data sets into OSM. The problem is that these are licenced under these terms: http://slip.landgate.wa.gov.au/Documents/SLIPTransactionPersonalUseLicence.pdf Which

[talk-au] Indoor Mapping was Re: Added Laneways and Buildings

2016-01-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
  The short answer is no.  The longer answer is that there currently doesn't seem to be one method that has been accepted: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Indoor_Mapping Early last year I started looking into this to see if it was a way of fixing all of the impossible oneways, almost connects,

Re: [talk-au] Added Laneways and Buildings

2016-01-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
 If you tag a way highway=footway you're indicating that bicycles can't use it. In OSM defaults that apply to a country seem to be allowed (ie: drive on the left, roundabouts go clockwise), unfortunately bicycle access is a state-by-state thing so we probably should tag for it.  You can go

Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?

2016-01-15 Thread Andrew Davidson
(of water)... if there was no water there .. then yes it would drain to a single point.) http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/catchment regards m On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: On 15/01/2016 2:19 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: Looking at the old Parish map

Re: [talk-au] LPI Base Map - green areas ?

2016-01-14 Thread Andrew Davidson
Looking at the old Parish map it would appear that it used to be part of the State Forest until they built the Mangrove Creek Dam at which point it became reserved for water conservation purposes.  I suppose you could tag it:  boundary=protected_area protect_class=12 Not sure what name you'd give

Re: [talk-au] Osmose in Australia

2016-02-07 Thread Andrew Davidson
I think it's more a case of tuning the threshold for what gets reported. The hard part is trying to figure out exactly what is being used as the measure. I guess another look at the code may be required... Is there a forum or mailing list where people can ask questions about what Osmose is

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

2016-01-23 Thread Andrew Davidson
and/or the current LPI layers unsuitable for the tracing process. Some links to where to find more info on this topic would be appreciated. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- An

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

2016-01-25 Thread Andrew Davidson
educe >> its size. >> >> On 24/01/2016 4:46 PM, Nev Wedding wrote: > > Your work flow using the geometries has worked very well for me with the LPI > data and the last bit regarding the merging each item separately into the > existing OSM data seems prudent and m

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for NSW "State Conservation Area"?

2016-01-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
border=protected_area is the way to go. The protect_class 1 to 6 are based on the IUCN categories so you can use this: https://www.environment.gov.au/land/nrs/science/capad/2014 to figure out which one to use. For example Livingstone SCA is IUCN II so it's protect_class=2. This will make

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

2016-01-22 Thread Andrew Davidson
> Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au -- Andrew Davidson <u...@internode.on.net> ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] JOSM Scanaerial plugin on NSW LPI layers

2016-01-24 Thread Andrew Davidson
upload one, provide a link to it and then see what others think. Cheers Ross On 22 Jan 2016, at 11:36 PM, Andrew Davidson < [5]u...@internode.on.net [6]> wrote: You can extract the geometries from the database directly, you don't have to scan them. I tried this on three

[talk-au] Refreshing NSW place names from the GNB database.

2016-04-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
There was an import of NSW places from the GNB database done back in 2008 with a helpful wiki page ;-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NSW_Geographic_Names_Import I'm proposing to review these to see what's changed in the last 8 years but I've run into a number of problems: 1. It would

Re: [talk-au] Refreshing NSW place names from the GNB database.

2016-04-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
with and certainly shouldn't be added again. On 7 April 2016 at 11:30, Andrew Davidson <u...@internode.on.net <mailto:u...@internode.on.net>> wrote: There was an import of NSW places from the GNB database done back in 2008 with a helpful wiki page ;-) http://wiki.openstreet

Re: [talk-au] Refreshing NSW place names from the GNB database.

2016-04-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 7/4/16 11:43, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi, What are you actually trying to achieve here? As I understand, the purpose of the original GNB update was slot in GNB names where OSM didn't already have coverage. If there is already a town/village/suburb/locality in OSM, and it is already well

Re: [talk-au] Refreshing NSW place names from the GNB database.

2016-04-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
April 2016 at 11:30, Andrew Davidson <u...@internode.on.net <mailto:u...@internode.on.net>> wrote: There was an import of NSW places from the GNB database done back in 2008 with a helpful wiki page ;-) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NSW_Geographic_Names_Import I

Re: [talk-au] Australia "changing coordinates"

2016-08-01 Thread Andrew Davidson
It's interesting because it highlights one of the foundation myths of OSM; which is that it uses the "WGS84" co-ordinate system. This is a convenient myth and if you're talking about only mapping to the nearest 5m then it is in effect true. However, once you start talking about sub-metre

Re: [talk-au] Mapping Military bases

2016-08-13 Thread Andrew Davidson
(BTW, is there any way of searching the list archives, apart from looking at every thread in each month?). 1. You can try: site:lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au thing I'm looking for in Google but results are not so reliable. 2. Nabble has a searchable version of the list:

Re: [talk-au] Use of Gold Coast Council info?

2016-08-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
You may reproduce the contents of this website in your web browser (and in any cache file produced by your web browser) for the sole purpose of viewing the content. Good gravy. I've seen some stoopid terms and conditions but really? You're granting me the right to render your website for the

Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go through before you start importing data into OSM*: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines *Yeap I realise I'm being a terrible hypocrite here. I think we managed to achieve two out of the five steps

Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
data. Do the import guidelines apply to all data from other sources even when only individual items are being added to OSM at any one time? On Mon, Jul 11, 2016, at 03:22 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: Just a gentle reminder that there is a list of steps that you have to go through before you start impo

Re: [talk-au] Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
but after that it was an import. On 11/07/16 18:35, Warin wrote: By this definition opening bing imagery and 'importing' a single roundabout, a track, a building outline etc would each need to be compliant with the import guidelines. On 7/11/2016 5:27 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: From the opening

[talk-au] CC 4.0 was Re: Response regarding use of PSMA Administrative Boundaries (Australia)

2016-07-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
Is the problem CC 4.0 or is it the riders that have been added? I'm just wondering if this is a general problem with the other data sets on data.gov.au. On 10/07/16 14:06, cleary wrote: Feedback from the legal-talk list is that the reply from the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet is

Re: [talk-au] Australia "changing coordinates"

2016-08-01 Thread Andrew Davidson
WGS84 is a datum fixed; as in dated 1984 and the data does not change. I'm not sure that you've understood exactly what a semi-dynamic datum is. Have a read of this: http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-1142/paper6.pdf particularly sections 3.4 and 3.5. Or you have access to survey points/marks and

Re: [talk-au] GNAF (address) data re-visited

2016-06-29 Thread Andrew Davidson
If you are going to bring in any more administrative boundaries can we please do them as a formal import. If there was one thing that I learnt from the experience of doing the NSW ones is that bringing them in manually is a massive PITA. On 26/06/16 10:11, cleary wrote: Thanks to Simon and

[talk-au] Another tool for finding Poke-paths

2017-01-30 Thread Andrew Davidson
One of OsmCha checks is for adding or editing a path so you can get a list of those in Australia with an appropriate BBOX: http://osmcha.mapbox.com/?bbox=113.1%2C-43.7%2C153.7%2C-10.6+_suspect=True_whitelisted=True=False=False=21 Have a look at the filter options for other things you can find.

[talk-au] Any volunteers for finishing the foresting of Tasmania?

2017-01-30 Thread Andrew Davidson
Now that we have permission from GA does anyone have an interest in finishing this import: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2369652#map=8/-42.604/146.706 (Or maybe the trees in Tassie do stop at a north-south line). ___ Talk-au mailing list

[talk-au] Geoscience Australia Datasets

2017-01-30 Thread Andrew Davidson
Just a heads up to let you know that we have received permission to use Geoscience Australia's CC-BY datasets in OSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Geoscience_Australia ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] New User Surge.

2017-01-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
marked as cycleways to aid cycle routing are now being changed to footways. Most of my osm editing time is taken up trying to fix all these poor edits. Hopefully all these new editors gain experience and become a valued editing force. Nev On 27 Jan 2017, at 8:52 PM, Andrew Davidson <thesw...@

Re: [talk-au] How to tag swimming pontoons

2017-01-28 Thread Andrew Davidson
ike a ladder? Swimming area is also something I plan on marking as these swimming areas do have buoys on like a cable around the perimeter marking the boundary. Thank you to everyone for their input so far, the help is very much appreciated. On 26 Jan. 2017 21:14, "Andrew

Re: [talk-au] How to tag swimming pontoons

2017-01-28 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 28/01/17 10:43, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: consist of a floating boom suspending an underwater net, surrounding the designated area. Turns out I can't read If it's got a net then I guess it's barrier=net. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] How to tag swimming pontoons

2017-01-26 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 25/01/17 22:05, Andrew Harvey wrote: As for the pontoon, per https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dpier "The man_made=pier tag is used for a raised walkway over water supported by pillars made of metal/wood, or floating and secured using chains", plus floating=yes It would

[talk-au] New User Surge.

2017-01-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
Good news people. There seems to have been a surge in the number of new mappers in Australia: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-suspicious?country=3=96=10==t=%3E=1000=c=n#5/-30.600/148.425 and they all seem to be *very* interested in making sure every park is on the map. Rivers and meadows

Re: [talk-au] New User Surge.

2017-01-28 Thread Andrew Davidson
, Cameron On 27/01/2017 9:52 PM, Andrew Davidson wrote: Good news people. There seems to have been a surge in the number of new mappers in Australia: http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-suspicious?country=3=96=10==t=%3E=1000=c=n#5/-30.600/148.425 and they all seem to be *very* interested

Re: [talk-au] A possible CAPAD 2016 import?

2017-02-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 18/2/17 11:59, cleary wrote: > I would prefer incremental additions, that is one-by-one, after checking what is already on the map. My major concern with any mass import is the effect on existing data. In particular where a new way is overlaid on an existing way, making editing more

Re: [talk-au] ACTmapi data and openstreetmap

2017-02-16 Thread Andrew Davidson
Further updates: 1. I'm not as good at this as Mr Cleary. 2. We've received a response from the ACT: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/Australian_Capital_Territory I think we're good to go but are others happy to remove the "waiting on confirmation" from the Contributors

[talk-au] CAPAD 2014 Data was Re: Parks Vic data

2017-02-12 Thread Andrew Davidson
M. So thank you Andrew Davidson for following up about this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy_CAPAD#Follow-up_Email <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution/Department_of_the_Environment_and_Energy_CAPAD#Follow-up_Email> As a side

Re: [talk-au] ACTmapi data and openstreetmap

2017-02-15 Thread Andrew Davidson
Quick update: I haven't received a reply as yet and I was going to follow up with another email. On 15/2/17 19:57, Andrew Harvey wrote: CC BY is not enough for inclusion in OSM at the moment see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility It looks like Andrew has reached out

[talk-au] A possible CAPAD 2016 import?

2017-02-17 Thread Andrew Davidson
The good folks at DoEE have been more helpful and have given us permission to use future releases of CAPAD under the same terms. Given that the next release of CAPAD is due out in a number of weeks it raises the question should we wait and then do an import? Assuming that the community thinks

Re: [talk-au] Advice on Tags in a Hamlet

2017-01-16 Thread Andrew Davidson
It's also a little unnecessary as the current renderer does a reasonable job of making the place names appear and then disappear as you zoom in. The place where most people want to go gets a little fuzzy the bigger the settlement gets. Just for a laugh I asked for directions to "Sydney":

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

2016-09-01 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 01/09/16 23:25, Ross wrote: The regional rule won't help in this case. All that the routing engine can see are the nodes connected by ways. In NSW the rule is that you can't do a u-turn at traffic lights and in the rest of Australia as well Come and visit Canberra; u-turns at traffic

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

2016-09-01 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 01/09/16 09:37, Nick Hocking wrote: Ok so how do we "ensure that routing engines embody the regional rule:? The regional rule won't help in this case. All that the routing engine can see are the nodes connected by ways. In NSW the rule is that you can't do a u-turn at traffic lights

Re: [talk-au] Tagging for the router

2016-08-31 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 31/08/16 21:23, Leon Kernan wrote: > After all that, i'd only tag a turn restriction if there is a sign > advising such. That's a nice theory but it does mean that there is no way to tell if you are allowed to drive from one incoming way to another outgoing way. Turn restrictions are,

Re: [talk-au] Another illegal import in Western Australia

2016-08-23 Thread Andrew Davidson
he Import Guidelines. On 23/08/16 07:38, David Findlay wrote: Stupid question really. Is it possible to talk to the WA Govt and get official permission to use Landgate data? Or has that already been pursued? Thanks, David On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 7:37 AM Andrew Davidson <thesw...@gmail.com

[talk-au] Another illegal import in Western Australia

2016-08-22 Thread Andrew Davidson
I've recently stumbled across another user (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/andy_88) who seems to be in the process of importing a data set from Landgate. Another user and I have left several changeset comments but so far haven't received a reply. I suspect that the easy availability of

Re: [talk-au] New to open street maps, looking for advice to get started

2016-10-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
I think the important thing is that you should spend your time on mapping things that interest you; you are after all volunteering your time. Some people like adding new things, some are interested in railways, MTB tracks, or the electricity network, some are into micro mapping every tree,

Re: [talk-au] New to open street maps, looking for advice to get started

2016-10-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
Sorry I chopped off the last line of my email, which was one view on the answer to your question: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Workflow_suggestions On 2016-10-27 23:26, Luke Picciau wrote: Hi, This is my first time posting to a mailing list so sorry if I mess it up. I just found out

Re: [talk-au] New to open street maps, looking for advice to get started

2016-10-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-10-28 11:38, Daniel O'Connor wrote: and finally if you find yourself running out of stuff to map; consider data collection via Mapillary or OpenStreetView. LOL. If you run out of things to map there's about 16,000 osmose issues to deal with in SA:

Re: [talk-au] Public source for street numbers

2017-01-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
This lists the publicly available address datasets: https://github.com/openaddresses/openaddresses/tree/master/sources/au None of which we can currently use in OSM. The NSW LPI Base Map has street numbers on it if you zoom in close enough and we do have permission to use these. Otherwise

Re: [talk-au] How to label illegal tracks?

2017-01-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
Here's the thread from the last time this was discussed: https://www.mail-archive.com/talk-au@openstreetmap.org/msg10021.html Tracks are supposed to be usable by two-track vehicles: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack so they should be downgraded to path.

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2017-01-12 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 13/1/17 11:51, Andrew Harvey wrote: I agree with this. The difference between unincorporated or not could be added by a new tag to indicate Or we could not break the model and use a different admin_level. , could be determined from the name, Thus requiring the data consumer to parse

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2017-01-12 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 13/1/17 11:21, Warin wrote: That would also suggest that states and territories should be in separate levels. Why? the current definition for level 4 is: "State or Territory Border" ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2017-01-01 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 30/12/16 10:44, Warin wrote: It does have an administration that performs the function of a 'local government authority'. There is an administration that performs the function of a 'local administration' . The authority exercised is, in OSM terms, a level 6 authority. The 'best fit'

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-28 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 29/12/16 09:08, cleary wrote: I have a different view about whether the unincorporated areas actually exist. They have defined boundaries and names, both assigned by the respective State governments, and included in the LGA datasets. I have seen the boundaries signposted when travelling in

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2017-01-02 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 3/1/17 13:24, Warin wrote: Near as I can figure .. your joking. No I'm being serious. Your proposal is to use level 6 to map the entity "that performs the function of a 'local government authority'". In the case of the western part of NSW this is the New South Wales Government. That

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2017-01-10 Thread Andrew Davidson
So you want to put these areas into OSM, fair enough. But why do we have to break the definition of admin_level 6 when there are three admin_levels that are currently undefined, unusable, or redundant? Another option is admin_level 7 which is currently so vaguely defined that we could come

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 15:30, Warin wrote: There is an authority that performs the role of a 'local council' in these areas ... I don't care what it is called. There is in effect a 'local council' there, it is not 'no mans' land', the 'wild west' etc. Nice straw man there... Who said that no council

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 15:57, Daniel O'Connor wrote: Just want to point out the advice from the wiki: /Don't map your local legislation, if not bound to objects in reality/ /Things such as local traffic rules should only be mapped through the objects which represent these rules on the ground, e.g. a

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 14:53, Warin wrote: On 21-Dec-16 11:38 AM, Andrew Davidson wrote: On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 16:19, Warin wrote: Then how do you then separate out the TWO 'unincorporated areas' in NSW ?? I don't care...provided that you don't use an admin_level 6 boundary. May I suggest admin_level=-6 ? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 16:28, Warin wrote: :-[ Opps .. line on a map that does not represent what I though it did only one in NSW... on the mainland. Nah, you were right the first time. Lord Howe Island is unincorporated. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 2016-12-21 11:01, Warin wrote: So the governance is irrelevant to the issue ... the area is managed by 'something' ..that 'something' should be treated the same way in OSM for the same function. The area is managed by the State of New South Wales and there is already a admin_level 4

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-20 Thread Andrew Davidson
It's pretty simple: 1. Admin level 6 boundaries are supposed to enclose a "Local Government Authority". 2. In NSW the only form of "Local Government Authority" are councils incorporated under the Local Government Act. 3. The areas covered by these councils are "incorporated areas". 4. The

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 28/12/16 17:51, cleary wrote: Perhaps I might have suggested different wording such as "local administrative districts including but not limited to shires, cities and municipalities". Fine, so long as you understand that none of those terms covers unincorporated areas.

Re: [talk-au] Local Government Areas without Councils

2016-12-28 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 28/12/16 17:51, cleary wrote: In suggesting the term "Local Government Area", I was thinking of areas as shown in the Local Government Areas (LGA) datasets issued by state and territory governments The LGA dataset have metadata in them that indicate whether or not an area has a form of

Re: [talk-au] When is a road, not a road?

2016-12-21 Thread Andrew Davidson
The metadata says that it includes roads maintained by Main Roads and "all roads controlled by Local Government (Local Roads) that are assigned road numbers", which is great. It also has "other centreline is also included for paths and unknown roads" which is a bit vague as to how complete the

Re: [talk-au] Advice on Tags in a Hamlet

2017-01-15 Thread Andrew Davidson
If the street sign at the end says Smith St then that should go in as the name tag. Lalbert Kerang Rd can go in as the alt_name tag. On 16/01/17 10:30, Simon Slater wrote: G'day all, We needed our daughter to pick something up from Lalbert and since she had never driven there herself,

Re: [talk-au] NSW Rail Data Import

2017-03-26 Thread Andrew Davidson
First place to start is to read this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines Second thing to read: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenRailwayMap Which has links to the tagging scheme for railways and Australia specific railway tagging. The hardest part of the process is

[talk-au] CAPAD 2016 Import -- Sample files.

2017-03-17 Thread Andrew Davidson
Using the 2014 CAPAD data I have created example osm files for Queensland for your perusal and comment. The files are available here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7Y8oxDzqhyNMkFCRWhLQmIwZzQ?usp=sharing The whole state is in capad2014_qld.osm.gz and I have attempted to split the

Re: [talk-au] Use of Gold Coast Council info?

2017-03-15 Thread Andrew Davidson
Sigh...I was hoping that no-one would ever re-open the data.gov.au permission can of worms. The general view is that to use CC-BY data in OSM we need explicit permission from the *rights holder* (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility). data.gov.au is a dataset

[talk-au] 2016 aerial imagery for Canberra.

2017-03-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
I have added some instructions to the wiki on how to use the 2016 aerial imagery of Canberra in JOSM: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:source%3DACT2016 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] ACTmapi data and openstreetmap

2017-03-11 Thread Andrew Davidson
There being no objections I have removed the "awaiting confirmation" from the Contributors page: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Australian_Capital_Territory_Government_data ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] 2016 aerial imagery for Canberra.

2017-03-12 Thread Andrew Davidson
that it could be used in iD and other editors that don't support WMS servers. We (SOSM) would likely offer, but it doesn't really make sense to ship the bits around half the globe and back again. Simon Am 12.03.2017 um 03:16 schrieb Andrew Davidson: I have added some instructions to the wiki

Re: [talk-au] Large number of Tasmanian boundaries removed

2017-04-26 Thread Andrew Davidson
Yeap, it was a undiscussed import from a dataset we don't have permission to use in OSM. Don't be surprised if you see a large number of LGA boundaries disappear in Queensland as well (same story...private import from dataset we can't use). On 26/04/17 21:36, Simon Poole wrote: Not sure if

[talk-au] MapRoulette Challenge for invalid phone numbers in Victoria.

2017-09-08 Thread Andrew Davidson
I noticed that someone had already set up a MapRoulette Challenge to fix phone numbers in Australia that aren't in the correct format. However there are about 3500 of them to check and it seems pointless to use human brain power to fix the ones that can be fixed by a machine just as well.

Re: [talk-au] MapRoulette Challenge for invalid phone numbers in Victoria.

2017-09-08 Thread Andrew Davidson
These are the numbers that aren't in a valid international or local format. They are "odd" in some way. Including a whole bunch of highway=emergency_access_point phone=000 (whatever that is supposed to mean?). On 08/09/17 19:45, Warin wrote: On 08-Sep-17 07:36 PM, Andrew Davidso

Re: [talk-au] Phone numbers

2017-09-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
TL;DR summary: I'm happy to use E.123 international format for phone numbers or local format if they are not able to be called from overseas. On 6/9/17 21:07, Phil (The Geek) Wyatt wrote: > I think this is the correct format is it not? > > > > +61 3 6109 4621 It depends. Like most things it

Re: [talk-au] The place Biniguy

2017-10-08 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 7/10/17 08:59, Warin wrote: Rather inconsistent! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biniguy,_New_South_Wales says the population 2011 was over 600. Yeap, need to be careful when interpreting ABS data. In 2011 Biniguy was a 2500 square kilometre locality and had a population of 625. By 2016

Re: [talk-au] Using "national_park" rather than "protected_area" tags where appropriate

2017-12-06 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 07/12/17 14:24, cleary wrote: In the wiki entry for "Key:leisure", the main statement is that the leisure tag is for places people go in their spare time. Ignoring the obvious problem, which is that this is just the usual sub-optimal tagging you get in OSM (should have been

Re: [talk-au] Am I doing intersections right?

2018-04-27 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 28/04/18 14:01, Andrew Harvey wrote: So it should be what the road signs say +1 The intent of the destination tag appears to be allowing routers to say "follow the signs to ". ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

2018-05-21 Thread Andrew Davidson
Perhaps I should have said 1 in 4 *can* be saved, if you are prepared to donate your time to do someone else's paid job. Anyway if you are volunteering to patrol for these and clean then up, then you are welcome to it. On 21/05/18 20:52, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 21 May 2018 at 10:32, Andrew

Re: [talk-au] poor business listing edits

2018-05-21 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 10/05/18 17:18, Andrew Harvey wrote: These edits are hallmark seo spam, likely all done by the same organisation, following the same instructions. They all have the same traits (new username for each edit they make, named after the company, abuse the changeset comment with spam, never use a

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-18 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 16/05/18 07:35, Warin wrote: Many inland waters in Australia are 'intermittent' meaning they only flow when there is rain and that rain may only occur every 5 years or so on average. The vast majority of Australian stream are non-perennial. The WSJ has a cool slider that shows this:

Re: [talk-au] Correcting inland water features

2018-05-18 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 16/05/18 08:51, Ewen Hill wrote: There are also a number of areas I think in SA that have been inundated by streams from a data source and these could possibly be trimmed back. Flood water on flat deserts will make its own mind up next time. I would be really keen to hear more and thank you

Re: [talk-au] CPAD data conflict

2018-05-15 Thread Andrew Davidson
According to this: https://www.conservation.wa.gov.au/media/26581/albany%20coast%20parks%20and%20reserves%20management%20plan%202017.pdf Res 33308 is Mt Martin reserve. However when I look at the CAPAD2016 data it is not in the Gull Rock NP (https://ibb.co/mnHcgJ). As a side note: I recently

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