[talk-au] JOSM Audio mapping

2009-06-28 Thread Roy Wallace
Hi all, Has anyone used JOSM for audio mapping? I've tried and failed to get it working. I want to use several separate wav file recordings, and use the modified times of the wav files to associate them with the correct places in the gpx track. Following is my attempt, which doesn't work. Please

[talk-au] Potential bikeways data import from Logan City Council

2009-07-19 Thread Roy Wallace
Hi all, I'm after some advice on a potential data source. I've got a contact in Logan City Council (LCC) who seems open to the idea of making data available for import into OpenStreetMap. At the moment, the data in question regards bikeways, in the form of standard MapInfo databases based on

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 6:57 PM, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I've noticed some people have tagged bridges with height=*, rather than tagging the road way under the bridge as maxheight=* and I'm kind of unsure which is better. I think the bridge should be tagged. Firstly,

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 9:47 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 27/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I think the bridge should be tagged. There was an overwhelming response on the main talk list that this be tagged as maxheight on the way that has

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: No, you're wrong here. Maxheight is an element of the way that goes under the bridge.  It is caused by the bridge, but it is not part of the bridge. You're saying that the clearance under a bridge is not an attribute of the

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Cameronosm-mailing-li...@justcameron.com wrote: I think tag the part of the way that is signed. Generally before bridges there is a sign informing road users of the bridge's restrictions. Sometimes they will offer an alternate route for larger vehicles. So tag

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Ross Scanloni...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Does this mean the bridge has a clearance of 2.8 or the road under the bridge has a clearance of 2.8.  To me this would suggest the bridge has a limit of 2.8 ie vehicles travelling over the bridge can not be above 2.8

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Apollinaris Schoellascho...@gmail.com wrote:  one bridge can cross multiple roads with different maxheight limtations. This is a good argument in favour of tagging the ways that pass under a bridge instead of the bridge. But I think it should be weighed against

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: When I travel over the bridge I am not interested in the maximum height of the way which travels under the bridge. When I travel under the bridge I am interested in the height limitation. Ah, perhaps our difference in opinion stems

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 12:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I think everyone is thinking of this in one of 2 ways, it's either an attribute of the bridge, or a restriction of the way under the bridge. Agreed. And it's clear that both ways of thinking are probably valid. As

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:57 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: As of time of writing maxheight is the only valid one and I don't think we need or should have 2 tags to indicate the same thing in 2 different ways. I meant there's two ways of conceptualising the distance below a

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 28 Jul 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: By the way, you can't place a node under the bridge, unless it is indeed shared by the bridge, as all ways have zero width (right?). Logically you can as they are on different layers. Yes

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:30 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I would at least suggest that - if maxheight is applied to a node, as you suggest - the node should be *shared* by the bridge (way) and the way passing under

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Ross Scanloni...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I would suggest splitting the way under the bridge and tagging that section of way with the max_height tag.  This is consistent as it is a restriction for that section of way

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-27 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: Having a node shared between a bridge and the way underneath may solve one problem but introduces another (having to make a relation to indicate this physical route is not present). Agreed. maxheight needs to be applied to

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:58 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: The solution depends on what problem you are trying to solve, if you are trying to find attributes of a bridge or restrictions of a way, my suggestion

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Maarten Deenmd...@xs4all.nl wrote: IMHO it is not that important if the way with the limit is only just beneath the bridge, or is somewhat longer or is applied to nodes on either side of a bridge. I recently came across this example where the way with the

Re: [talk-au] maxheight/height

2009-07-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:05 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 28/7/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I'm starting to like this idea. But the problem with this is how to define that section of way, so as not to introduce a maintenance You really don't want

Re: [talk-au] [OSM-talk] maxheight/height

2009-07-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mark Williams mark@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Therefore maxheight is a property of the way going under the bridge, possibly 1 way if the road is fragmented in OSM, and ought to be on the whole road from where the sign is until after the bridge. Yup, that

Re: [talk-au] Need help wording flyier

2009-07-31 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:06 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Currently thinking of doing up a simple flier and/or text based email to send out to clubs/user groups in and around the sunshine coast to promote the mapping party to those that may not be aware of OSM, or may have

[talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-02 Thread Roy Wallace
The Australian Tagging Guidelines currently say that for bush walking tracks: Tag these highway=footway. and for track sections along fire trails, highway=track is appropriate. Shouldn't these be highway=path; foot=yes, rather than highway=footway? The wiki page of the former says It is also used

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Ian Sergeantiserg...@hih.com.au wrote: Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote on 03/08/2009 03:06:38 PM: Calling a bush walking track a designated footpath doesn't sound exactly right, nor does calling a bushwalker a pedestrian. Thoughts? We should focus

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: Check the dates on the Wiki pages.  The whole highway=path thing is relatively recent - it may well be that the Australian Wiki advice was written before it existed. Maybe. But the question remains.

Re: [talk-au] Bush walking tracks

2009-08-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: On Tue, 4 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Stephen Hopeslh...@gmail.com wrote: Check the dates on the Wiki pages.  The whole highway=path thing is relatively recent - it may well be that the Australian

Re: [talk-au] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyone have any objection to highway=rural? Depends how you define it. If it's verifiable and exists only to describe the way, there's no objection from me. ___ Talk-au mailing

Re: [talk-au] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:59 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: [ highway=rural means ] No administrative classification. Rural roads typically form the lowest form of the non-Urban interconnecting grid network. Anything non-connecting would be almost a service road? Sounds ok. But

Re: [talk-au] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:25 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: I guess this comes down to tagging what exists vs tagging intended use. For instance there are parts of the Pacific Highway which are 2 lanes but are tagged as trunk because they're the Pacific Highway and are therefore the most

Re: [talk-au] residential and unclassified in Australia WAS definition of the main highway-tag

2009-08-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:48 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: Although the intended use is the first, urban=town/city, I very much doubt that there would be enough roads in anything smaller than a town to need a higher capacity version of a residential road. Ok with me. Someone

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:47 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Sam Couter s...@couter.id.au wrote: I understand but will never accept the opposing position as I use a mail client that does handle reply-to-list correctly and have no sympathy for people who

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:29 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: They don't understand that they need to hit reply to all, that's what started this thread in the first place, they thought hitting reply would reply to the list, not to the person that sent it. IMHO that's a problem

Re: [talk-au] mailing lists and replying to them.

2009-08-06 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 2:26 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO that's a problem with them, not with the mailing list. But you Shouldn't we be a little more accommodating then treating people that don't know better

Re: [talk-au] posters/banners

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:51 PM, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: Yeah, the 2 logos kind of each represent an extreme: one is a bit plain and the other is too distracting. I might try putting a map rendered as the background, but have it more as a watermark than an attraction. It's probably time

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:08 AM, j...@talk21.com wrote: I have a strong feeling that this would be unacceptable.  We need to know about different types of path and road.  Just knowing that they're suitable for bicycles or for motor traffic isn't enough.  Such dumbing-down of the data to meet a

Re: [talk-au] Proposed changes for the Australian tagging guidelines.

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Evan Sebiree...@sebire.org wrote: Bush walking paths should also be tagged as path not footway, except for National parks were bicycles / horses are typically banned. I think these should still be tagged as path, with additional tags added as necessary. Often

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 9:56 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure no one was suggesting this (i.e. removing information). It's the way the information in entered in tags that is being discussed. The fact

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:32 PM, Ashley Kyda...@kyd.com.au wrote: I'm really not convinced that [it's] a good idea, for renderer *or* semantics to tag a government-designated cycleway as a path with bike access. So, something that's currently a highway=cycleway, right? highway=path;

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-08 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:50 AM, j...@talk21.com wrote: With all footpaths being shared paths here in the ACT, what makes a good cycling path is sometimes difficult to pin down. If the meaning of a tag is difficult to pin down, IMHO it is probably not verifiable and therefore probably not a good

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-08 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:03 AM, j...@talk21.com wrote: Think of the situation with roads, and the multitude of different tags available to show how important the road is. We only need two (or maybe three at most) to say whether a shared path is a good cycling path.  And then a few guidelines

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-09 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: i think we should mark highway=cycleway where it is a cycleway What is a cycleway? Is it defined in a verifiable way? i accept that highway=path could be subdivided into everything but to me path is primarily foot use first This is

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-09 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:02 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: What is a cycleway? Is it defined in a verifiable way? Yes they have signs up with pictures of bicycles. So you seem to be suggesting: 1. for a way signed

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Ben Kelleyben.kel...@gmail.com wrote: In NSW a shared path means foot=yes, bicycle=yes. The default in NSW for highway=footway (or highway=path) is bicycle=no (same as the OSM conventions). No, highway=path does not imply bicycle=no (please see the wiki page).

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Lized...@billiau.net wrote: SUMMARY Trying to keep my comment general at first to find what are the needs: what should be in the highway tag and what are local factors. This turned into a stream of thoughts but hopefully coherent enough to breed some more

Re: [talk-au] 4wd_only

2009-08-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:34 AM, BlueMMbluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone discussed the appropriateness of using the 4wd_only nomenclature? It seems a bit Australia(NZ?) specific. Maybe that is why there is so much opposition. Seems the Wiki proposal is losing the vote. What about

Re: [talk-au] Google Map Maker update - releases Africa

2009-08-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:23 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 18/8/09, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: From Map Maker, Google has made the entire dataset of Africa fully available for download by non-profits, government agencies and individuals to create

[talk-au] bus_stop further details

2009-09-07 Thread Roy Wallace
Gday, For tagging highway=bus_stop 's, in addition to the existing shelter=yes/no, I'm planning to also use bench=yes/no and waste_basket=yes/no, as these features are often installed as part of the bus stop itself, in Brisbane. Tagging separate nodes with amenity=* is not ideal, as 1) i

Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details

2009-09-08 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:43 PM, James Livingston doc...@mac.com wrote: I've been doing that for a while (well, except waste_basket=*), so that's a +1 from me :) Any objections (from anyone) to adding these to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop ?

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Ashley Kyd a...@kyd.com.au wrote: (Also, I'm not going to stick around and work out where the attack perimeter is. You can do that. They're nasty creatures. ;) Don't forget it should be verifiable, too :) ___

Re: [talk-au] bus_stop further details

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I guess this is one specific case of the broader problem of what to do when two separate entities are co-located (i.e. nodes would be right on top of each other). Well, it depends what you're calling the bus stop. If

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-09-11 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Hugh Barnes list@hughbris.com wrote: I'd like that, too. It's also been discussed regarding temporary features like events and road closures and seasonal features. T-shirt. I'm guessing you've seen the following proposal (early stages)?

Re: [talk-au] Australian bushwalking tracks

2009-09-21 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 6:30 PM, swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote: Given this inconsistency, I have been tagging fire trails and the like (I ask myself if they are suitable for 4WD) as highway=track and bushwalking tracks as highway=path. Did you see the Bush Walking Tracks section of the

Re: [talk-au] Australian bushwalking tracks

2009-09-21 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: Some things I'd like to see us add to paths is to indicate which ones do have available drinking quality water - do you have any ideas on that? Add an amenity=drinking_water node where applicable.

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: In light of the recent discussion on this list, maybe we should decide on which tag to use prior to making extensive changes like these, I agree. IMHO extensive, (semi-)automated changes should be limited *at least* to

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Tags that are not VERY clearly defined in the wiki (as a guide) should be left alone. Given that source=survey and source=GPS are *both not defined* on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source, these should have

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:20 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/24 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: If Mark wants to use source=gps rather than source=survey, because he feels it conveys a different meaning, then in the spirit of using any tags you like, I think he should

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-23 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: In general, the two are inseparable. If author A says M and means X, and author B says N and means Y, then changing N to M *does not lead to consistency*. (note: in this example, M=source=survey, N=source=gps, B=Mark).

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: The obvious place to look at the wiki is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source - however on this page even source=survey is missing. I'm with Mark - this should be cleaned up, preferably by someone who has a

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: ideas for subsets gps_chip=antaris/sirfstar3/mediatek/trimble/ gps_model= hdop= pdop= (precision would be some rough figure for the track, i wouldn't want to see them on each single node) May I suggest adding

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: just for fun I've printed out a walking-papers page and am going to see if it is any use for tagging shops in a suburban strip shopping strip and then how will I define the survey= source=survey survey=observation

Re: [talk-au] More on the survey tag

2009-09-24 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:02 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: just for fun I've printed out a walking-papers page and am going to see if it is any use for tagging shops in a suburban strip shopping strip

Re: [talk-au] Magpie nesting and swooping areas

2009-10-02 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:33 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: It shouldn't be too hard to hack up a quick db that can do a layer over the top, I think people were suggesting to put this info directly into OSM but that may over kill a simpler DB can do the same thing in the same

Re: [talk-au] Twitter like emails

2009-10-07 Thread Roy Wallace
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:02 AM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Suitable channels? suitable for what? I think those complaining about list activity need to be more specific about what is and what isn't acceptable. You can't just ask people to stop being twitter-like. Personally, I

[talk-au] Nearmap Gold Coast

2009-11-23 Thread Roy Wallace
Nearmap (http://www.nearmap.com/) now has imagery available for the Gold Coast, QLD area. For further updates, follow http://twitter.com/nearmap. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] More NearMap Sydney imagery...

2009-11-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: And what about JOSM? So far I've just been using Potlatch because it just works. What do I have to do to get Nearmap going in JOSM? As Leon said, first go to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NearMap_PhotoMaps#JOSM. I

[talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Roy Wallace
If The License Change goes ahead, will that have any influence on, say, the legality of tracing from nearmap imagery? Does it appear as though some contributions will have to be removed if The License Change happens? If so, what kind of contributions?

Re: [talk-au] Implications of license change on use of Australian data sources (e.g. nearmap)

2009-12-09 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:26 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/9 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: If The License Change goes ahead, will that have any influence on, say, the legality of tracing from nearmap imagery? Does it appear as though some contributions will have

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-12 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: so i filled the Australian guidelines page with definitions from the road rules hope no one gets offended! Nice work. I'm adding talk-au to this discussion. Liz has updated:

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: One question, though, for Australian shared path, shouldn't this be: highway=cycleway, bicycle=designated, foot=designated rather than

Re: [talk-au] Australian Cycleways

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: On Sat, 12 Dec 2009, Liz wrote: we're having another discussion about this same point concurrently on t...@openstreetmap.org and making a number of suggestions there care to join in? bum steer tagg...@openstreetmap.org And can I

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-13 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin, because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable by a user, there is no options to tweak the URL in the plugin interface/settings

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: So... sports_centre for the actual sporting facilities, something_club for the commercial bit? Maybe social_club? club_rooms, while it sounded good for the buildings members genuinely use for their meetings and

Re: [talk-au] Sports Clubs

2009-12-14 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 7:08 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/15 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Thought I might chip in to me this seems to be a matter of trying to cram a complex and ambiguous meaning into a single tag. I couldn't help but be reminded

Re: [talk-au] [Tagging] Tagging highway=cycleway without explicit knowledge of the law?

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:20 PM, swanilli swani...@gmail.com wrote: Two points: 1. The terminology foot=designated and bicycle=designated is confusing, since the opposite of designated is not no but undesignated or non-designated. Just leave it as it is on thousands of ways as bicycle=yes or

Re: [talk-au] Intro video to OSM in Australia

2009-12-15 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 2:03 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: An idea came to me the other day about some kind of intro to OSM video, with a noticibly Australian slant to it. I've seen a couple of intro videos for different editors, but I had something else in mind, where we

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-17 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:59 AM, morb@beagle.com.au wrote: In the first case I have edited the entry, exit and roundabout as meeting at exactly one node.  IMHO this represents reality and if the router can't handle it then the router should be upgraded to suit (or its OSM-to-router-format

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: I have not changed the current intersection in osm but here are two screen shots of the intersection in josm. http://www.4x4falcon.com/osm/junctions/intersection_messy.jpg

Re: [talk-au] Vic hospital locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 1:03 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: ... seems to include a lot of disclaimers about the information being best effort/use at own risk... Probably just covering their back - because people looking for a hospital do tend to be at risk if the data's

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: In that case, the voting means nothing at all? Weird. From my perspective, voting's similar to asking for opinions on an email list, just with the added benefit of yes/no responses and documentation of results.

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:46 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: I thought long and hard about this issue before I make the first correction to a local roundabout.  I came to the conclusion that roundabout entry and exit points should be separate. Sure, and I see the logic - but the

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 10:28 AM, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Steve Bennett wrote: Yeah, good work. Should the name be Bairnsdale Centrelink or just Centrelink? I'm all for putting town/suburb names in as well.  One place where it matters is looking up POIs on GPS units. These

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a name=*. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Roundabouts and routing

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: This is an interesting example. The _messy and _simple techniques, of course, could just as well be described as _complete and _approximate, etc. No _messy is over mapped and _simple is accurate. This is subjective

Re: [talk-au] Centrelink locations

2009-12-18 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I feel weird tagging name=Bowls Club - that's clearly not the name I would feel weird too! If you don't know the name, PLEASE don't enter a name=*. This must be important to you. Why so? People tag A=B when they

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: I've just update a matilda location with information from their website (types of fuel sold etc). Any way, they list services on their station locations like hot food, groceries, dry cleaning etc:

Re: [talk-au] Victorian police locations...

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:46 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Feel free, but these locations are all tagged with fixme=not_reviewed and show up in things like keepright etc, and as I said before I even made a custom page for the bp locations to make it simpler again. IMHO it

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Specifically, though, I'm wondering why use amenity:atm=yes rather than atm=yes? Is there ever some atm that isn't an amenity? It's for when there are several amenities sharing one node. Not that any renderers/editors

Re: [talk-au] Tagging fuel locations

2009-12-20 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:43 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:atm=yes this was Roy's point amenity:atm=yes is not consistent with the page I just mentioned I

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries to limit the effect of mistakes in future. Easy fix. Don't join other ways to them. I don't get it. If I join another way

Re: [talk-au] Suburb boundaries

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:04 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/23 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: After that it might be wise to figure out some strategy to monitor changes to admin boundaries

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-22 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:42 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The problem I'm really trying to solve is with the slippymap plugin, because it is compiled and the URL isn't easily setable/changeable

[talk-au] amenity=parking in the middle of a field?

2009-12-26 Thread Roy Wallace
Anyone know what the deal is with this?: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/316607432 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Wrong way round the roundabout

2009-12-28 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: My 2 cents: anything that is less important than tertiary is: 1) if it is a named/public road:  * residential if lined primarily with people's homes and used primarily by people accessing those homes  * unclassified

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx=xy=ynml=Vert. What is the URL format?  If it's possible to change the

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote: Ok, I tried this myself and it doesn't work, seemingly because the slippymap plugin attempts to fetch tiles from url/*/*/*.jpg, rather than urlz=zx

Re: [talk-au] NearMap PhotoMap imagery for OSM

2009-12-29 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:44 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/29 Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com: Actually, in addition to this, it would be great if you could allow the date to be specified in the path, i.e. allow us to make requests in the form of http

Re: [talk-au] MapOSMatic will now do any where...

2009-12-30 Thread Roy Wallace
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Can't help but wonder if Australian cities will ever have that level of detail... Hell yeah they will. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem with this scheme is you can't do, first sunday of the month for example. Surely someone in some field has already come across this problem before - i.e. surely someone's already developed a formal

Re: [talk-au] Mapping road closures...

2010-01-01 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Jim Croft jim.cr...@gmail.com wrote: think it might have to be derived, e.g. http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/vb-date2.htm#Month http://code.google.com/p/datejs/ That's a shame. But iso 8601 is probably still a good starting point.

Re: [talk-au] Invisible POI's

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 10:13 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Speed cameras are a bit of a mess tagging wise, some add a node others add a relation, but I don't think any method renders on OSM... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Speed_trap

Re: [talk-au] Victorian routes

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:07 PM, Craig Feuerherdt craigfeuerhe...@gmail.com wrote: Happy New Year OSMers! Have created a page listing all the Victorian routes (M, A, B C roads) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Victoria%2C_Australia/Routes. Woah this is a great idea. Have you

Re: [talk-au] Cul-de-sac

2010-01-03 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO they justify an extra way, as there is clearly a physical separation and two separate areas of bitumen. (Go ahead and add a whole extra node

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