Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Ed Loach
I just noticed a changeset from user elbatrop which although it says it was to Tie 10 Royal Mail references to known postboxes, it has 1709 nodes in the changeset: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/3079245 Assuming this is import related, then linking a ref to a previously mapped

Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Gregory Williams
It's potentially better, but still wrong though. For a start I've come across several cases of two postboxes with different refs that are located side-by-side. It's a bit of a lottery whether it'll tie up the correct ref here. Also, I've seen several instances of bad data in the Dracos set, e.g. a

Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Andy Allan wrote: automated imports of sub-standard data It is probably wishful thinking to hope that they will go away. Not really. We could state that imports are not permitted, and enforce it, if we want to.

Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Hill
Ed Loach wrote: As has been mentioned before, the process of hunting down an elusive postbox often has the benefit of some other missing feature getting mapped as well, just because you happen to be in the neighbourhood. I'd agree with that (and can also think of two adjacent

[Talk-GB] Glasgow Meetup Tuesday 17th November 2009 at 7:30pm

2009-11-10 Thread Bob Kerr
Hi All, Just a reminder we will be having a pub meetup next Tuesday in Glasgow Please see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glasgow#Social_Events Cheers Bob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd rather have a partially complete, high quality map than a bodge of crap data (NAPTAN, anyone?) that just encourages more people to add crap data and get the community to fix it. I've been mulling over this point that

[Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
Campaign for Better Transport recently moved to new offices. They would like to use OSM mapping but need to have better building coverage of the area before it makes sense for them. Does anyone fancy doing a little building tracing from Yahoo to help them out? Here is where they are

Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Ed Avis
Perhaps I should give a little bit of background, explaining why I have started reconciling Dracos and OSM data, hoping to import it. I've been on many mapping trips around London, to start with mostly filling in missing street names. As the street names have become more complete I have focused

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the An gel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Ed Avis
Are we legally permitted to use the Underground roundel and national rail arrows? -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Postboxes Payphones

2009-11-10 Thread Andy Allan
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Tom Taylor t...@tomtaylor.co.uk wrote: On 9 Nov 2009, at 16:06, Andy Allan wrote: Please don't. Imports are a real, real annoyance. There's no indication that anyone using the dracos site has located these with any accuracy or personal knowledge - I wouldn't

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:41, Ed Avis wrote: Are we legally permitted to use the Underground roundel and national rail arrows? No idea! It would seem totally bizarre if we were not, but it might well be the case - it could even have a trademark. The problem is that I think it is unlikely

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Richard Mann
So maybe we should ask Starbucks before putting the word Starbucks on the map? I say put it on, and take it off if they complain. Richard On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 2:22 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.comwrote: On 10/11/2009 13:21, Peter Miller wrote: On 10 Nov 2009, at 12:41, Ed Avis

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
The Underground logo, ... are protected by copyright, and the Roundel is also a registered trademark. A licence needs to be obtained from the Intellectual Property Department to reproduce them. Please note that any unauthorized use of TfL's copyright and trademarks is an infringement of TfL's

[Talk-GB] Stratford imagery

2009-11-10 Thread Andy Allan
Hi All, Where did we end up with the Stratford imagery in the end? When I left things, I'd made a layer containing about 7 images, made tiles from them, and stuck them online. You can see them in action in potlatch at one of these URLs (both are the same): http://bit.ly/8yJhG

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Richard Mann
That is to protect them against someone using their logo on merchandise (eg mugs t-shirts) without paying them a fee, or distorting the logo to represent something similar but different, reducing the effectiveness of their logo. In much the same way as I don't suppose Starbucks would appreciate

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/11/2009 15:02, Richard Mann wrote: But simply reproducing their name or logo to represent them is just free advertising, and they'd be laughed out of court. Rubbish. It's their property and they can decide who uses it and where. They may well not have any objection, but if they did,

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
On 10 Nov 2009, at 15:30, David Earl wrote: On 10/11/2009 15:02, Richard Mann wrote: But simply reproducing their name or logo to represent them is just free advertising, and they'd be laughed out of court. Rubbish. It's their property and they can decide who uses it and where. They

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: I would certainly be interesting to see what they say. The problem they will have is that we are asking them to release it CCBYSA which would negate all their rights to it in future - as such I think they will say 'no'. It's a really interesting question - well, it is

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Tom Chance
2009/11/10 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com The roundel (the simple red ring and blue bar version) is more than 70 years old, if that makes any difference. The BR logo is somewhat newer, however. Putting it on a map feels to me to be akin to news reporting, so it might

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Peter Miller
On 10 Nov 2009, at 19:05, Tom Chance wrote: 2009/11/10 Richard Mann richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com The roundel (the simple red ring and blue bar version) is more than 70 years old, if that makes any difference. The BR logo is somewhat newer, however. Putting it on a map feels to

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread David Earl
On 10/11/2009 19:35, Peter Miller wrote: On 10 Nov 2009, at 19:05, Tom Chance wrote: We get permission from TfL, or we seek costly legal advice. I agree that the cautious approach would be to ask. I was wondering if we could use the argument that it is in the background (as is a photo of

Re: [Talk-GB] Adding some additional building around the Angel area of London?

2009-11-10 Thread Jason Cunningham
I'd 'vote' for going ahead and using the roundel in the rendered mapnik map. Use of the roundel is ubiquitous, and I cant believe that TFL would have a problem with us advertising the location of tube stations. The roundel wont be in the osm data set, its a rendering issue. I am worried about the

Re: [Talk-GB] Glasgow Meetup Tuesday 17th November 2009 at 7:30pm

2009-11-10 Thread Chris Fleming
On 10/11/09 12:10, Bob Kerr wrote: Hi All, Just a reminder we will be having a pub meetup next Tuesday in Glasgow Please see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Glasgow#Social_Events I'm going to be in Atlanta that week so won't be able to make it. :( Cheers Chris